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Identity Theft Laws and Situation in Poland?


antheads 13 | 327
17 Jan 2019  #1
Hello old timers, been a while. glad to see the debate hamster-wheel is still going on :)

So last time I was in Poland (2012) had my dowod osobisty (no meldunek) birth certificate and citizenship certificate stolen when i was drunk on Marszałkowska. I remember hearing at the time that the identify theft laws were pretty anti consumer in Poland, and that if someone stole your identity and got a loan etc you were liable.

Plus also all those horror stories of the homeless being used as słups to be directors of dodgy businesses in the 90s. Is this still the the case or has Poland adopted EU regulations? What would be the organsiations to contact to find out if my identity is being misused? cheers and regards.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,235
17 Jan 2019  #2
The more I know about Poland the less I like it.
In "America", we have what they call, credit freeze. The best invention since sliced bread. I did it and was summarily rejected when, as a test, I applied for another credit card. The best "no" I ever got.
jon357 63 | 14,122
17 Jan 2019  #3
and that if someone stole your identity and got a loan etc you were liable.

Yes. This can still happen. It happened to a family member of someone I know. That was about 5 years ago.

The process of adapting regulations are ongoing, however anything involving banking is a slower process.
MoOli 9 | 484
17 Jan 2019  #4
Plus also all those horror stories of the homeless being used as słups to be directors of dodgy businesses in the 90s

This infact is the latest crime business going on.People buy and sell companies and take cell phone connections to huge loans on them.I was surprised to know about some people making 100 thousands of Pln a month on it.

But you can pay a small fee and get your credit checked.
OP antheads 13 | 327
18 Jan 2019  #5
Yes. This can still happen. It happened to a family member of someone I know. That was about 5 years ago.

So he/she had to pay it back, no identity stolen defense? thats horrible. oh man now i will have trepidation when i fly back to poland who knows maybe the mafia is using my identity and i am well known in the underworld... :(

But you can pay a small fee and get your credit checked.

If i'm liable for the loan maybe its not worth knowing! Can they put you in jail in Poland for not paying back credit?
jon357 63 | 14,122
18 Jan 2019  #6
So he/she had to pay it back, no identity stolen defense? thats horrible

She was killed, presumably by the person/people who'd stolen her ID card and taken out a whole raft of loans. Sadly.
MoOli 9 | 484
18 Jan 2019  #7
not worth knowing!

No man its always best to know as you can correct the problem then let it accelerate.
OP antheads 13 | 327
23 Jan 2019  #8
She was killed, presumably by the person/people who'd stolen her ID card and taken out a whole raft of loans. Sadly.

wtf? thats so fu**ed up, so sorry to hear that jon, Were the amounts vlarge to warrant such despicable action? Was there a police investigation to accertain what happened the the perps of the scam and murder? Do u suspect corruption in the police or persecution services? best ant
jon357 63 | 14,122
23 Jan 2019  #9
Were the amounts vlarge to warrant such despicable action?

Quite a lot as far as I know; there were certainly a few loans taken out, all in a short space of time. As well as dealing with grief, they also had banks and other loan companies intermittently contacting them to chase debts over the following couple of years. It took a long time to sort out, and I'm not sure if it's finished yet.

Was there a police investigation to accertain what happened the the perps of the scam and murder?

Yes, though nobody was ever charged. The lady was found buried in a forest, by (I think) someone out for a walk.

Do u suspect corruption in the police or persecution services?

The lady's family and their lawyer suspect something involving a local politician near Warsaw.

I'd best not write too much more; the lady was my friend's mother, and although he doesn't read this forum afaik, he does speak reasonable English and could potentially see this.

I know of another case in Podlasie (which may be apocryphal). A gentleman went to America to live, returned unexpectedly a few years later and found his house had been sold by someone who had his old dowód osobisty. Allegedly the lawyer who handled the sale was responsible.


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