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What are chances for Poland to join in Eurasian Economic Community?


JonnyM 11 | 2,620
17 Oct 2011 #61
the know main stream media bs

The what?

no critical view of urs at all.

You seem to equate a 'critical view' with your own set of beliefs.

tja, sometimes the abstractive point but open minded is much more relevant than other. ;)

Rarely. Poland is a reality not an idea in the mind of outsiders. Especially ones who seem to be suggesting that Poland joins an 'economic community' dominated by Russia.

if mr tusk is continuing his journey in the anglo hinterteil, of course not. we'll see.

You mean the guy they just re-elected.

i think that there are also other views to this questions, less absolute than ur statement in the polish society. i dont think they eat all what they get currently served, no matter the suspicion for the russian aspirations...

This actually means nothing.

And less of the 'ur' 'r' 'u' 'ru'. This isn't an sms.
sascha 1 | 826
17 Oct 2011 #62
This actually means nothing.
And less of the 'ur' 'r' 'u' 'ru'. This isn't an sms.

just a proove for ur non critical point of view. hypothetical thinking is not ur strong side, ha? tnx and keep ur arrogancy in check. just a friendly advise. ;)

sascha: the know main stream media bs
The what?

arrogancy no 2. i was mistyping...wanted to say the knowN and so on...

You mean the guy they just re-elected.

yes, the eu/nato/us puppet.

Rarely. Poland is a reality not an idea in the mind of outsiders. Especially ones who seem to be suggesting that Poland joins an 'economic community' dominated by Russia.

believe, more often than you think, but that would demand an open mind. ;) so u r an insider. wow. not visible. why not to join that eurasian community. now pl is in a circle dominated by eu and usa. what is the difference? ur dislike for russia? nice generalization.
peterweg 37 | 2,319
17 Oct 2011 #63
You mean the guy they just re-elected.

Yeah, Poland voted a for more integration with the West. The rest voted for a Party who hate Russia.

Who voted for a union with our Slavic 'brothers'? nobody.
sascha 1 | 826
17 Oct 2011 #64
Who voted for a union with our Slavic 'brothers'? nobody.

what a smarty u r. that 'union' was not for voting. it'll be a politic decision, if pl joins or not. until now they choose the anglosaxon hintern. seems cousy there.

Illiterate, bigoted, delusional and a fantasist.

mods, if this is directed to me personally it looks to me like a personal offense. to you not?
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
18 Oct 2011 #65
i was mistyping...wanted to say the knowN and so on...

It still makes no sense!

yes, the eu/nato/us puppet.

You mean the one you disagree with.

that would demand an open mind.

Something you have amply demonstarted you do not have.

why not to join that eurasian community

Why join it? No reason to join and every reason to avoid. One starting point would be that almost every interaction between Poland and Russia over the last millenium has been a tragedy for Poland.
sascha 1 | 826
18 Oct 2011 #66
It still makes no sense!

ok, mein lieber.
i was just refelecting that the fact u living in pl is not shown in ur comments, rather than just the quotes of the know mass media. nothing authentic from u. null.

You mean the one you disagree with.

he is the voters choice. why disagree? do u? u live there, right? what r ur impressions of his politics? the majority seems to like his course...

Something you have amply demonstarted you do not have.

ufff, dude, that coming from ur 'mouth'...better take a mirror. ;)

Why join it? No reason to join and every reason to avoid. One starting point would be that almost every interaction between Poland and Russia over the last millenium has been a tragedy for Poland.

ok, we'll see where the marriage with the west/eu/us/nato will guide them. let the history tell us.
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
18 Oct 2011 #67
i was just refelecting that the fact u living in pl is not shown in ur comments, rather than just the quotes of the know mass media. nothing authentic from u. null.

Maybe because the 'mass media' sometimes get it right. You probably have more exposure to the 'mass media' that I do nowadays, so perhaps you'd know. Remeber, the people who write newspaper copy or TV news scripts are ordinary folks. No invisible censor. Not in the West, anyway.

he is the voters choice. why disagree? do u? u live there, right? what r ur impressions of his politics? the majority seems to like his course...

The economy's reasonably stable, nothing disastrous has happened and he seems to be a leader of great integrity, if not vision. A technician rather than a demagogue, but that's no bad thing.

ufff, dude, that coming from ur 'mouth'...better take a mirror. ;)

Enough of the textspeak. Dosyć!

ok, we'll see where the marriage with the west/eu/us/nato will guide them. let the history tell us.

This will be true. History has already told us about the horrors of Russian domination. At least in the West when there's a knock on the door at 6 am, you know it'd FedEx.
sascha 1 | 826
18 Oct 2011 #68
History has already told us about the horrors of Russian domination.

....and nazi one. u forgot them.

when there's a knock on the door at 6 am

at that time there were just two guys in dark green leather coats offering a free ride ;)

Maybe because the 'mass media' sometimes get it right.

very rarely, just the news agencies i am following, about what is happening. for the rest of info its better to use the net, sources 'u can trust'....
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
18 Oct 2011 #69
....and nazi one. u forgot them.

Similar enough. Cynical idealogues.

very rarely, just the news agencies i am following, about what is happening. for the rest of info its better to use the net, sources 'u can trust'....

There's something in that. No accident that repressive regimes tend to hate Facebook and Twitter.
sascha 1 | 826
18 Oct 2011 #70
No accident that repressive regimes tend to hate Facebook and Twitter.

...and 'progressive' ones or we call them democracies use it to spy it on their people....even google, mozilla are used for that purpose...
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
18 Oct 2011 #71
democracies use it to spy it on their people

Maybe elaborate on that?
Zman
18 Oct 2011 #72
Sasha is a good example of why Russians tolerate dictatorship in their own country. Why would we in Poland want to have anything to do with such a state??? I'd rather (god forbid!) live under Kaczynski in PL, at least he had obeyed democratic laws and relinquished power when he had to.
sascha 1 | 826
18 Oct 2011 #73
Maybe elaborate on that?

i'll try.

read a couple of days ago in a political magazine an interesting article about fb, tw etc. how they are used for 'spying'. the cookies which are connected to all kinds of actions in the net made some people inventing some kind of programmes with which u can collect them and detect/analyze what people are doing/preferring etc. of course the intelligence services got to know about that. so, in one case one of those companies instead of collecting those informations gave the cia free access to their programmes....

a couple of weeks ago an australian comp genius found out, that in melbourne or sidney i think, the aus intelligence service spied on 800.000 fb users, randomly selected....that guy/hacker u may call him is giving lessons all over the globe for companies/institutions which wnat to make their it net more safe...hes 28 years old.

b brother is real.

to the topic:

why not a referendum in pl about this question? what would be the outcome now? pro/contra...
bberlin62 - | 38
18 Oct 2011 #74
[quote=peterweg Who voted for a union with our Slavic 'brothers'? nobody.[/quote]

thank God, they didn't.
sascha 1 | 826
18 Oct 2011 #75
[quote=peterweg Who voted for a union with our Slavic 'brothers'? nobody.

thank God, they didn't.[/quote]

smarties, it wasnt for voting...
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
18 Oct 2011 #76
smarties, it wasnt for voting...

So it isn't democratic? Who's supposed to decide about joining this 'eurasian'/Russian thing - the people by a referendum or something less transparent?

[quote=sascha]the aus intelligence service spied on 800.000 fb users, randomly selected....that guy/hacker u may call him is giving lessons all over the globe for companies/institutions which wnat to make their it net more safe...hes 28 years old.[/quote

At least a/ people know about it and b/they have access to Facebook in the first place. Many millions of computer users round the world (in countries with extreme political ideologies) aren't so lucky.
sascha 1 | 826
18 Oct 2011 #77
So it isn't democratic? Who's supposed to decide about joining this 'eurasian'/Russian thing - the people by a referendum or something less transparent?

i didnt say that, but it wasnt for voting during the parlamentary elections. maybe it was a topic, but thats it.

i would suggest a referendum, same like when joining the eu was a question.

At least a/ people know about it and b/they have access to Facebook in the first place. Many millions of computer users round the world (in countries with extreme political ideologies) aren't so lucky.

wihtout that computer guy noone would have known. thats the thing with the democracy. all is nicely packed, but actually they spy on u like in other, repressive regimes...
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
18 Oct 2011 #78
Very rarely people change their attitudes through discussion, it is known what are the factors that have to involved, neither of us possess the traits to perform something that would make you unbiased.

Jesus on a stick, the amount of hypocritical and self righteous horseshit coming out of you would make a hypocritical and self-righteous horse doubt the existence of its own ass. Somehow you conveniently managed to oversee the fact that my so called anti-Serbian utterances or nothing but taste-your-own-medicine jibes at our resident village fool Crow. Yep the very same idiot, whose rhetorical prowess worthy of a mongoloid chimp makes a normal chimp bleed through its eyes. Animal cruelty aside, normal human beings shake their heads in bewilderment, trying to figure out how come they end up redirected to some dipshit ultra nationalistic Serbian site when they try to log in to polishforums...

The problem with Crow is that despite his endearing retardness his underlying message is that of hate and intolerance, pure and simple. His totally dehumanizing portrayal of Albanians, glorification of Serbian war criminals and calls for ethnic cleansings west of Oder and the rest of his cretinous insights albeit funny... well as funny as it can get after being repeated humpzillion times... are just that; mean and hateful. And sadly, the 'Balkan corner' quarantine doesn't seem to work 'cos you staked it for your 10 inch perspective on everything under the sun.
OP Crow 150 | 9,565
18 Oct 2011 #79
FlaglessPole

to put cross on myself, why do you spread those lies and discriminates me?

because i am 101% bigger Polish then you are??
sascha 1 | 826
18 Oct 2011 #80
The problem with Crow is that despite his endearing retardness his underlying message is that of hate and intolerance, pure and simple.

nice text, fp. is that from ur textbook for one of ur stand-ups? much words written with zero content. who will do the laughs?
u once again proved ur status as the stand-up here on pf(quoting ironside)

10 inch perspective on everything under the sun.

talking about urself?
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
18 Oct 2011 #81
[quote=Crow]to put cross on myself[quote]

...brilliant, someone please hand me couple of nails and a hammer
OP Crow 150 | 9,565
18 Oct 2011 #82
...brilliant, someone please hand me couple of nails and a hammer

now you lost your nerves?
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
18 Oct 2011 #83
thats the thing with the democracy. all is nicely packed, but actually they spy on u like in other, repressive regimes...

So which would you prefer? Western Democracy or Eastern Totalitarianism?
sascha 1 | 826
18 Oct 2011 #84
the outcome is the same, just that the 'western type' is giving u the sweet taste whereas the 'eastern type' is not lying about the intentions. they are doing it openly. not bad. at least honest. i am now in the 'western type', accidentially born into it, but hey who knows how it will look like in a couple of years?

what would be ur choice?
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
18 Oct 2011 #85
nice text, fp. is that from ur textbook for one of ur stand-ups? much words written with zero content. who will do the laughs?

tend to rely on my own imagination, you should try it.. retyping outdated radio Moscow transcripts has its limits, y'know
OP Crow 150 | 9,565
20 Oct 2011 #86
Interesting development

Eurasian Economic Community sound good to Serbians. With time, it could sound good to Poles, too. We Serbians likes Poles and want Poles on our side.

Shoigu: Montenegro, Serbia in customs union

PODGORICA -- Russian Minister for Emergency Situations Sergei Shoigu says the customs union of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan will expand to include Montenegro and Serbia.

PWEI 3 | 612
20 Oct 2011 #87
With time, it could sound good to Poles, too.

A deranged statements even by the standards of a genocide denier.

We Serbians likes Poles

Yes but you also like Russians and Nazis, which makes two rather big minus points for you in the minds of Poles.
OP Crow 150 | 9,565
20 Oct 2011 #88
A deranged statements even by the standards of a genocide denier.

please control yourself. You are very influenced by sick EU/NATO propaganda.

Yes but you also like Russians and Nazis, which makes two rather big minus points for you in the minds of Poles.

on this, i can only say... Decent Polish people have much more historical reasons to trust to Serbians (Racowie) then to the people/journalists/governments of leading EU/NATO countries.

When we Serbians criticized Russia, time proved that Russia was wrong. Now, in these times, Russia is much reliable partner then EU or NATO. Poland should follow Serbia and establish friendly relationship with Russia, based on mutual respect.
PWEI 3 | 612
20 Oct 2011 #89
You are very influenced by sick EU/NATO propaganda.

Is that what you call the verdicts of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia? Statements from Human Rights Watch? Statements from Amnesty International?

The only sick propaganda being spread here is from Serbs who claim that not only did they not commit genocide but that they were actually the victims of it. But that is actually helpful: as long as they claim it Serbia will remain the pariah state it deserves to be.

on this, i can only say..

Given up denying your Nazi collaborationist ways I note.
Marek11111 9 | 816
20 Oct 2011 #90
I would preferred Poland allied with Ukraine, Belarus, Czech, Slovenia, Moldavia, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and Russia so create Slavic union against imperial Nato and against China.

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