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What are chances for Poland to join in Eurasian Economic Community?


Crow 137 | 7,978
13 Oct 2011 #1
EEC

Eurasian Economic Community

The Eurasian Economic Community (EAEC or EurAsEC) originated from the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) customs union between Belarus, Russia and Kazakhstan on 29 March 1996. The Treaty on the establishment of the Eurasian Economic Community was signed on 10 October 2000, in Kazakhstan's capital Astana by Presidents Alexander Lukashenko of Belarus, Nursultan Nazarbayev of Kazakhstan, Askar Akayev of Kyrgyzstan, Vladimir Putin of Russia, and Emomali Rakhmonov of Tajikistan. On 7 October 2005 it was decided between the member states that Uzbekistan would join. Freedom of movement is implemented among the members (no visa requirements). Common Economic Space was launched on 1 January 2010.

Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Economic_Community
Timothy946
13 Oct 2011 #2
The chances? Well...you're more likely to find Nazis on the moon.
KingAthelstan 9 | 142
13 Oct 2011 #3
crow, poles don't like Russians ok, I know serbs do, but Serbs and Bulgarians are the only people in Eastern Europe to like Russians.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
13 Oct 2011 #4
That looks just like a map of the Soviet Union.
legend 3 | 664
13 Oct 2011 #5
No chance it will happen any time soon.
OP Crow 137 | 7,978
13 Oct 2011 #6
crow, poles don't like Russians ok, I know serbs do, but Serbs and Bulgarians are the only people in Eastern Europe to like Russians.

well, Serbian specific sense for reality is famous. Serbians are also only people who fanatically believe in Poles.

just think for the moment, what rest of the world think about Russians and Poles?? Think. See? Now, can you understand Serbs?
bberlin62 - | 38
13 Oct 2011 #7
crow, poles don't like Russians ok, I know serbs do, but Serbs and Bulgarians are the only people in Eastern Europe to like Russians.

true statement
southern 75 | 7,096
13 Oct 2011 #8
And half Ukrainians like them.And Czechs have some glipmse to their side from time to time.Also Belarus I wouldn't say is protiv.
OP Crow 137 | 7,978
13 Oct 2011 #9
crow, poles don't like Russians

can you imagine how Obama telling same and similar things in his frenetic speech while he calling Poles to fight against Russians, in some future war. Tell me, can you?

Then, after having that image in the head, think of your response on that Obama`s call. Its like test. By the way of your response to Obama you would learn are you complete idiot or you eventually aren`t idiot.

KingAthelstan

Man, try to understand me correctly. Please

You don`t need to likes Russians. But, be open for eventual friendship with them. Don`t let that some others profit on antagonism between Polish-Russian elites. Don`t let some others to use Poland and manipulate with future of Poland. Not to mention that things could change and money flow could easily change direction. West of Europe already isn`t known as core of WEST.
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
13 Oct 2011 #10
You don`t need to likes Russians. But, be open for eventual friendship with them.

In Poland they have all too much experience of Russian 'friendship'...
Seanus 15 | 19,706
13 Oct 2011 #11
Poland will not put itself in a position where it can be bullied by Russia. Timoshenko got caught up in Russian pipeline politics and look where she ended up. She is to serve a 7-year prison sentence. Best keep Russia 'onside' but at arm's length.
OP Crow 137 | 7,978
13 Oct 2011 #12
In Poland they have all too much experience of Russian 'friendship'...

what you want to tell us, that EU base on friendship and brotherhood? Let us not speak fantasies here. False Polish friends from west of Europe have money and that`s it, Poland follow them

When EU collapse and if money flow transfer to Russia and if Russia start to export democracy, people like you would be first who would hail Russia. But, people like me, even then would have dream about new Commonwealth.... and still, while dream of it, i won`t hate Russia.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
13 Oct 2011 #13
Crow, are you a fan of Putin?
OP Crow 137 | 7,978
13 Oct 2011 #14
actually not. i look forward to new faces of Russia

Poland will not put itself in a position where it can be bullied by Russia.

today is Poland in perfect position to be bullied by Russia, if just Russia or false friends of Poland want that Russia bully Poland.
bberlin62 - | 38
13 Oct 2011 #15
[quote=Crow calling Poles to fight against Russians, in some future war[/quote]

what a great day of deliverance that would be. Finally a chance to take revenge on them for killing thousands of our countrymen.
hythorn 3 | 580
13 Oct 2011 #16
Tito protected the Yugoslavian people against that maniac Stalin
so in spite of Stalin's attempts to assassinate Tito, Russia was not successful in meddling in the running
of Yugoslavia like it did in Poland

Your warm feelings towards Russia may well be due to the fact that Yugoslavia never really sufferred under Russia post WWII

I would be interested to hear your views and what your opinion of Tito was
Seanus 15 | 19,706
13 Oct 2011 #17
The next KGB man should step up? ;)

Tusk likes his own power too much to be pushed around but he has shown himself to be a lapdog. He did emphasise in the pre-election build-up that he wants closer ties with Russia and that's quite a statement considering the wrangles over SmoleĊ„sk etc etc.
OP Crow 137 | 7,978
13 Oct 2011 #18
Tito protected the Yugoslavian people against that maniac Stalin

Tito?

No. Those were Serbs that were power of Yugoslavia. Tito relied on Serbians and on Serbian animosity on Russian failure to the absolutely totalitarian way of communism.

Those were just historical circumstances that installed Tito on the surface. Actually, Britain installed Tito and sold Yugoslavia to the Soviets. Then, Tito thanks to Serbs installed more human way of communism in Yugoslavia, different way then that of Soviet Union. It was compromise with Serbs who were actually royalist but because of British interests needed to tolerate communism.
hythorn 3 | 580
13 Oct 2011 #19
No. Those were Serbs that were power of Yugoslavia. Tito relied on Serbians and on Serbian animosity on Russian failure to the absolutely totalitarian way of communism.

I do not know a lot about Yugoslavian history but would you agree that Russia's influence in Yugoslavia post WWII was not that great as in other countries in Central Europe?

And would you also say that Yugoslavians in general were not so badly harmed by Russia as other countries?
OP Crow 137 | 7,978
13 Oct 2011 #20
I do not know a lot about Yugoslavian history but would you agree that Russia's influence in Yugoslavia post WWII was not that great as in other countries in Central Europe?

exactly. Serbs expected King to come back to Yugoslavia and as deep royalists and traditionalists, Serbs resisted to Stalin. In that time Serbs didn`t comprehend Soviets as Russians.

Under the British instructions Tito eliminated royalist leader of Yugoslavia- Serbian Draza Mihailovic, forbid King to come back in country and moved Yugoslavia closer to Stalin. In internal turmoils that occurred, Yugoslavia then deflected from Stalin. It was compromise to Serbs, communism but not total communism, communism with existing private property.
hythorn 3 | 580
13 Oct 2011 #21
Interesting. thanks for the explanation

the British consider Tito to be a real hero. Wasn't he a Croat?
OP Crow 137 | 7,978
13 Oct 2011 #22
And would you also say that Yugoslavians in general were not so badly harmed by Russia as other countries?

Yugoslavia was harmed by Soviet Union. Serbians paid the price. Only God knows how many Serbians (as members of most loyal and elite Yugoslav unit- KNOJ) was killed on Yugoslav borders with the countries that were part of Warsaw pact.

the British consider Tito to be a real hero. Wasn't he a Croat?

His mother was Slovenian, father Croat (real ethnic Croat- from Kajkavski region, not former croatinmize Catholic Serbian by origin). Still, he considered himself to be Yugoslav, son of Yugoslavia as he called himself and he insisted his grave to be in Belgrade (Capital of Yugoslavia and Serbia) after his death.

for Tito i can only say.... He was installed as foreign agent to Yugoslavia, agent of Britain that needed to arrange things as it is suitable to Britain. He then installed communism in country and ruled as dictator that needed to balance between world powers. Still, he played on Yugoslavia and for that he got Serbian support. i would say, he lived as dictator but he died as Yugoslav gentleman.
hythorn 3 | 580
13 Oct 2011 #23
I appreciate what you are saying however apart from killing soldiers on border patrol, the Russians were not governing Yugoslavia

KNOJ seem to have been responsible for mass executions - were they responsible do you think?
Wroclaw 44 | 5,387
13 Oct 2011 #24
Crow,

Keep your thread on topic, please.

hythorn 3 | 580
13 Oct 2011 #25
We are trying to keep it on topic
however as I do not know much about Yugoslavian history, Crow is trying to explain some of things that went on post WWII

you see, I know loads of stories about Poles suffering under Russians but I was not aware that Yugoslavia suffered too
much under Russia as in the West we are taught that Tito more or less kept them out

which would explain why Serbia might want to form closer bonds with Russia and Poland would be more wary
however Crow is kindly explaining that Serbia suffered under Russia which is something I had not heard about
OP Crow 137 | 7,978
13 Oct 2011 #26
I appreciate what you are saying however apart from killing soldiers on border patrol, the Russians were not governing Yugoslavia

true. Whenever one seek for freedom, one have to pay for it. We Serbs paid for freedom of Yugoslavia. Why i say Serbs and not all Yugoslavs? See, Serbs were loyal to Yugoslavia, some others had their calculations.... Croatian elite waited for Germany to consolidate, Bosnian Muslim elite waited for Turkey to revive. There were good Yugoslavs among non-Serbs of course but, only Serbian people and elite wholeheartedly beloved in Yugoslavia as best South Slavic respond to foreign attempts to rule us.

Then also, existence of Yugoslavia was good for Poland. Defending Yugoslavia, Serbians defended Poland`s interests, too. Yugoslavia was even created as deal among Polish and Serbian elite.
hythorn 3 | 580
13 Oct 2011 #27
thanks man

it is late I am going to bed

talk to you tomorrow
sobieski 107 | 2,128
14 Oct 2011 #28
Yugoslavia was even created as deal among Polish and Serbian elite.

Not true. Yugoslavia was a creation of the Versailles Treaty.
hythorn 3 | 580
14 Oct 2011 #29
Yugoslavia was even created as deal among Polish and Serbian elite.

I was that tired last night I did not even notice this

Crow, could you expand on this please?
David_18 68 | 982
14 Oct 2011 #30
Not true. Yugoslavia was a creation of the Versailles Treaty.

Ever heard about The Polish Prince Adam Jerzy Czartoryski and his plan of the Balkan Federation?

The plan of the Balkan federation counts among those political concepts which have
never been implemented. In spite of this fact, the idea survived in the European
politics. After the Second World War, Josip Broz Tito was a great advocate of this
idea. The same idea was simultaneously a source of his conflict with Stalin. However,
the plan of the Balkan Federation was first created by the Polish Prince Adam
Jerzy Czartoryski. This happened in the period between 1804-1806 when he was in
office as Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia.

Pdf file about the plan
hrcak.srce.hr/file/44951

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