What are chances for Poland to join in Eurasian Economic Community?

Eurasian Economic Community


Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Economic_Community

The chances? Well...you're more likely to find Nazis on the moon.

crow, poles don't like Russians ok, I know serbs do, but Serbs and Bulgarians are the only people in Eastern Europe to like Russians.

That looks just like a map of the Soviet Union.

No chance it will happen any time soon.

well, Serbian specific sense for reality is famous. Serbians are also only people who fanatically believe in Poles.

just think for the moment, what rest of the world think about Russians and Poles?? Think. See? Now, can you understand Serbs?

true statement

And half Ukrainians like them.And Czechs have some glipmse to their side from time to time.Also Belarus I wouldn't say is protiv.

can you imagine how Obama telling same and similar things in his frenetic speech while he calling Poles to fight against Russians, in some future war. Tell me, can you?

Then, after having that image in the head, think of your response on that Obama`s call. Its like test. By the way of your response to Obama you would learn are you complete idiot or you eventually aren`t idiot.


Man, try to understand me correctly. Please

You don`t need to likes Russians. But, be open for eventual friendship with them. Don`t let that some others profit on antagonism between Polish-Russian elites. Don`t let some others to use Poland and manipulate with future of Poland. Not to mention that things could change and money flow could easily change direction. West of Europe already isn`t known as core of WEST.

In Poland they have all too much experience of Russian 'friendship'...

Poland will not put itself in a position where it can be bullied by Russia. Timoshenko got caught up in Russian pipeline politics and look where she ended up. She is to serve a 7-year prison sentence. Best keep Russia 'onside' but at arm's length.

what you want to tell us, that EU base on friendship and brotherhood? Let us not speak fantasies here. False Polish friends from west of Europe have money and that`s it, Poland follow them

When EU collapse and if money flow transfer to Russia and if Russia start to export democracy, people like you would be first who would hail Russia. But, people like me, even then would have dream about new Commonwealth.... and still, while dream of it, i won`t hate Russia.

Crow, are you a fan of Putin?

actually not. i look forward to new faces of Russia


today is Poland in perfect position to be bullied by Russia, if just Russia or false friends of Poland want that Russia bully Poland.

[quote=Crow calling Poles to fight against Russians, in some future war[/quote]

what a great day of deliverance that would be. Finally a chance to take revenge on them for killing thousands of our countrymen.

Tito protected the Yugoslavian people against that maniac Stalin
so in spite of Stalin's attempts to assassinate Tito, Russia was not successful in meddling in the running
of Yugoslavia like it did in Poland

Your warm feelings towards Russia may well be due to the fact that Yugoslavia never really sufferred under Russia post WWII

I would be interested to hear your views and what your opinion of Tito was

The next KGB man should step up? ;)

Tusk likes his own power too much to be pushed around but he has shown himself to be a lapdog. He did emphasise in the pre-election build-up that he wants closer ties with Russia and that's quite a statement considering the wrangles over Smoleńsk etc etc.

Tito?

No. Those were Serbs that were power of Yugoslavia. Tito relied on Serbians and on Serbian animosity on Russian failure to the absolutely totalitarian way of communism.

Those were just historical circumstances that installed Tito on the surface. Actually, Britain installed Tito and sold Yugoslavia to the Soviets. Then, Tito thanks to Serbs installed more human way of communism in Yugoslavia, different way then that of Soviet Union. It was compromise with Serbs who were actually royalist but because of British interests needed to tolerate communism.

I do not know a lot about Yugoslavian history but would you agree that Russia's influence in Yugoslavia post WWII was not that great as in other countries in Central Europe?

And would you also say that Yugoslavians in general were not so badly harmed by Russia as other countries?

exactly. Serbs expected King to come back to Yugoslavia and as deep royalists and traditionalists, Serbs resisted to Stalin. In that time Serbs didn`t comprehend Soviets as Russians.

Under the British instructions Tito eliminated royalist leader of Yugoslavia- Serbian Draza Mihailovic, forbid King to come back in country and moved Yugoslavia closer to Stalin. In internal turmoils that occurred, Yugoslavia then deflected from Stalin. It was compromise to Serbs, communism but not total communism, communism with existing private property.

Interesting. thanks for the explanation

the British consider Tito to be a real hero. Wasn't he a Croat?

Yugoslavia was harmed by Soviet Union. Serbians paid the price. Only God knows how many Serbians (as members of most loyal and elite Yugoslav unit- KNOJ) was killed on Yugoslav borders with the countries that were part of Warsaw pact.


His mother was Slovenian, father Croat (real ethnic Croat- from Kajkavski region, not former croatinmize Catholic Serbian by origin). Still, he considered himself to be Yugoslav, son of Yugoslavia as he called himself and he insisted his grave to be in Belgrade (Capital of Yugoslavia and Serbia) after his death.

for Tito i can only say.... He was installed as foreign agent to Yugoslavia, agent of Britain that needed to arrange things as it is suitable to Britain. He then installed communism in country and ruled as dictator that needed to balance between world powers. Still, he played on Yugoslavia and for that he got Serbian support. i would say, he lived as dictator but he died as Yugoslav gentleman.

I appreciate what you are saying however apart from killing soldiers on border patrol, the Russians were not governing Yugoslavia

KNOJ seem to have been responsible for mass executions - were they responsible do you think?

We are trying to keep it on topic
however as I do not know much about Yugoslavian history, Crow is trying to explain some of things that went on post WWII

you see, I know loads of stories about Poles suffering under Russians but I was not aware that Yugoslavia suffered too
much under Russia as in the West we are taught that Tito more or less kept them out

which would explain why Serbia might want to form closer bonds with Russia and Poland would be more wary
however Crow is kindly explaining that Serbia suffered under Russia which is something I had not heard about

true. Whenever one seek for freedom, one have to pay for it. We Serbs paid for freedom of Yugoslavia. Why i say Serbs and not all Yugoslavs? See, Serbs were loyal to Yugoslavia, some others had their calculations.... Croatian elite waited for Germany to consolidate, Bosnian Muslim elite waited for Turkey to revive. There were good Yugoslavs among non-Serbs of course but, only Serbian people and elite wholeheartedly beloved in Yugoslavia as best South Slavic respond to foreign attempts to rule us.

Then also, existence of Yugoslavia was good for Poland. Defending Yugoslavia, Serbians defended Poland`s interests, too. Yugoslavia was even created as deal among Polish and Serbian elite.

thanks man

it is late I am going to bed

talk to you tomorrow

Not true. Yugoslavia was a creation of the Versailles Treaty.

I was that tired last night I did not even notice this

Crow, could you expand on this please?

Ever heard about The Polish Prince Adam Jerzy Czartoryski and his plan of the Balkan Federation?

The plan of the Balkan federation counts among those political concepts which have
never been implemented. In spite of this fact, the idea survived in the European
politics. After the Second World War, Josip Broz Tito was a great advocate of this
idea. The same idea was simultaneously a source of his conflict with Stalin. However,
the plan of the Balkan Federation was first created by the Polish Prince Adam
Jerzy Czartoryski. This happened in the period between 1804-1806 when he was in
office as Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia.

Pdf file about the plan
hrcak.srce.hr/file/44951