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Wedle 16 | 496    
8 Mar 2012  #1
I recently visited the UK, it was such a pleasure to deal with people that genuinely appreciate your business, London is a prime example of how to ready yourself for the challenge, we visited the Olympic village in Stratford all going to plan, the wonderful thing about the British is they just get the job done, many of the locals will be offering their services free of charge during the Olympics – Job well done.

Back in Poland, it’s such a shame to see the state of the country with just three months to go before Euro 2012, how many Polish profesionals will be donating their time free of charge during Euro 2012, Two weeks ago I took a road trip to Katowice, need I point out the amount of road works. Poland and the powers that be should be ashamed of themselves, its NOT just the government it is Poland in general, it is time to stop taking the EU handouts and squandering them, if you want to get things done – its time to bring in the British and GET THE JOB DONE EFFECTIVELY. There are not many things in the UK NOT to be proud of although we still have that fighting spirit and we know how to get the job done. Just watch the Olympics and eat humble pie, all the Polish “ Nie mogęr’s”

The Olympic Games will be on time.
How about Euro 2012?

11.8 million people will flood to the Games over twenty nine days. In London alone there will be 20 million extra tube journeys.

London is ready to put on the most amazing " Olympic Games" . It just makes you proud to be British.
Wroclaw Boy    
8 Mar 2012  #2
Thats a bit much dude.

its NOT just the government it is Poland in general

Its the mentality of the Polish people based on their exposure to the environments they were brought up in.

how many Polish profesionals will be donating their time free of charge during Euro 2012

But if those very same people were brought up in the UK they would donate their time, in Poland its a 'screw you why should i' attitude, and rightly so IMO.

It just makes you proud to be British.

it makes us lucky.

Patriotism - the right to feel superior based on the lottery that is ones place of birth.
OP Wedle 16 | 496    
8 Mar 2012  #3
Thats a bit much dude.

WB - got to aim high and go for gold.

Its the mentality of the Polish people based on their exposure to the environments they were brought up in.

Correct- yet the Poles are always the first to inform us they have the best performing economy in Europe, if you want to play with the big boys, you have to follow the same rules.

in Poland its a 'screw you why should i' attitude, and rightly so IMO.

In Poland they hide behind their unfortunate history, it is a get rich quick society. So the problem with Poland is the Polish attitude NOT the foreigners.

it makes us lucky.

We know NOT to bite the hand that feeds.
Wroclaw Boy    
8 Mar 2012  #4
yet the Poles are always the first to inform us they have the best performing economy in Europe

isnt that annoying when weve actually lived there?

I call it the 303 squadron mentality, it gives Poles major pride and something to shout loud about, i for the most part just nod my head and let them have it. Patriotism is a funny thing.

In Poland they hide behind their unfortunate history, it is a get rich quick society. So the problem with Poland is the Polish attitude NOT the foreigners.

ahh "the excuse are like ********, everybody's got one" analogy, it is a problem yes, especially with Poles.
a.k.    
8 Mar 2012  #5
You are right but note that:
1. London is one city
2. The infrastructure in the UK is much more developed - did they need to build new highways for the Olimpics?

many of the locals will be offering their services free of charge during the Olympics

Many Poles too. Haven't you heard about volunteers for Euro?
OP Wedle 16 | 496    
8 Mar 2012  #6
I call it the 303 squadron mentality

I would have expected some Polish builder working in London to tell us that Poles built the Olympic village.

Fact is ' Managers' manage and 'builders' build, I am not taking anything away from the building profession in the UK. What I am pointing out in this thread the one thing that divides the UK and Poland is organization. Poland has had enough money from the EU to get the job done - Yet nothing has been done and they want more. Instead of giving money to emerging countries the EU should reward business's who have proved themselves with the contracts to build roads or railways in Poland. There are many British companies who have done a sterling job on the olympic village. Get these companies over to Poland and they will build the roads and railways as well as educate the Polish workers.
Wroclaw Boy    
8 Mar 2012  #7
I would have expected some Polish builder working in London to tell us that Poles built the Olympic village.

That will come 100%, lazy Brits etc..
OP Wedle 16 | 496    
8 Mar 2012  #8
You are right but note that:
1. London is one city
2. The infrastructure in the UK is much more developed - did they need to build new highways for the Olimpics?

A.K these are the types of excuses you expect to hear from Poles, Poland is only part organizing Euro 2012 so its only half the job. London is a Metropolis the logistics of getting the job done should not be underestimated by a sweeping statement of ' London is only one City'

Warsaw, Gdansk and Wroclaw only had to build one stadium and look at the mess each city made. As far as I am concerned the Poles who organised Euro 2012 should be made to walk around Stratford, brought back to Poland and humiliated on live television. They are a disgrace.
a.k.    
8 Mar 2012  #9
In Poland they hide behind their unfortunate history,

What are talking about? Another absurd view on Poles?
If someone says that nepotism, corruption stems from the communism, then such person is right. That's a fact. Does it make an excuse?
OP Wedle 16 | 496    
8 Mar 2012  #10
A.K, it is time for Poland to take its place in the future and stop dragging itself into the past.
Harry    
8 Mar 2012  #11
If someone says that nepotism, corruption stems from the communism, then such person is right. That's a fact. Does it make an excuse?

Some people certainly use it as one. And for some people nepotism really is the reason they can't get the job that they deserve!
a.k.    
8 Mar 2012  #12
A.K these are the types of excuses you expect to hear from Poles, Poland is only part organizing Euro 2012 so its only half the job.

It's not an excuse. It's a simple fact that in Poland there must have been done more to prepare for Euro. Also the fact that the event will take place in many different places makes it harder to manage as there is much more people/insitutions who are in charge for the organisation.

London is a Metropolis the logistics of getting the job done should not be underestimated by a sweeping statement of ' London is only one City

Exactly and that's the reason why they have better infrastructure and are prepared for visitors as London is visited by many milions of tourists each year and holds many events. Actually I wonder what was needed to prepare London for Olimpics? Build some sport facilities? What else? I think that London could hold a major event off the cuff.

Warsaw, Gdansk and Wroclaw only had to build one stadium and look at the mess each city made.

They have stadiums. What mess? Only Warsaw has ridiculed itself a bit but all in all everything is ok. Is every project for London Olimpics carried without any problems? I doubt it.

And no, it's not only studiums. It's about roads which have not been build yet. That's the shame but comparision with London is out of place.

A.K, it is time for Poland to take its place in the future and stop dragging itself into the past.

It's just your imagination Wedle or maybe an idea of this site. No one is shifting resposibility for such things on communism, that would be silly.
Ironside 47 | 9,492    
8 Mar 2012  #13
Just watch the Olympics and eat humble pie, all the Polish “ Nie mogęr’s”

My take :
British managers are oftener more efficient due to environment.
To do something in Poland one needs to learn swimming in a glue. That those post-colonial, post-commies dudes and their cronies in charge !
Anyway most managers are ruthless bastards !
Stop gloating, it is not national character thingy!
Barney 14 | 1,470    
8 Mar 2012  #14
Bollox,
British managers in lets say the Banking industry did a marvellous job, they managed to get the law changed to allow them to produce wealth. Everything they asked for was given to them yet the great bankers managed to almost bankrupt the British economy.

In the High tech industries BAE systems for example, management was so successful that they had to have the Government step in to stop them from going to jail.

The great managers in the newspaper industry, managed to corrupt the police and politicians, interfere in criminal investigations and are lucky to still be out of jail.

The great British managers in the transport industry, had to have several rail franchises taken from them and the track renationalised.

Loads more examples if I looked….

In building the Olympic stadium what has happened apart from Dow chemicals sponsoring the shroud is that working people built the structure and surrounding things.

British managers are not superior to others Britain just has more money and better infrastructure. Despite the best efforts of British managers her industry managed to survive the mis management of the 1970s.
pip 10 | 1,661    
8 Mar 2012  #15
I think the Olympics is completely different. Just like was mentioned it is one city. However, as you know Vancouver just had the Olympics and they did an amazing job building new venues and bettering the infrastructure- without the red tape of it all. I do think Poland will pull the rabbit out of the hat though. Everything will be fine- just completed at the last minute- but all will be smooth.
Harry    
8 Mar 2012  #16
In the High tech industries BAE systems for example, management was so successful that they had to have the Government step in to stop them from going to jail.

To be fair, BAE were just playing the game by local rules, as all firms do.

The great managers in the newspaper industry, managed to corrupt the police and politicians, interfere in criminal investigations and are lucky to still be out of jail.

And strangely, the worst offenders sold the most papers.

The great British managers in the transport industry, had to have several rail franchises taken from them and the track renationalised.

My understanding is that the ones taken back (or handed back) were not making money, so the sensible thing to do with them was to give them up. And privatising the raliways was always a crap idea.
Barney 14 | 1,470    
8 Mar 2012  #17
And privatising the raliways was always a crap idea

I would say criminal considering the amount of public money that is poured into them.
bhjdbjhaeg    
8 Mar 2012  #18
Poland is a bit poorer than England...and London a bit richer than Warsaw. Poland was faced with a bigger challenge than England because we had almost no motorways, no stadiums,the airports were in bad state,railway.in England half of the jobd been done before.and England has already hosted important events.they are more experienced...easier to manage. for Poland it will be the first time.there will be thousands of volunteers during Euro 2012. the rest is right. Poland and Ukraine are not ready to host Euro.probably none of the motorways will be finished on time
Gustav 1 | 50    
8 Mar 2012  #19
British managers in lets say the Banking industry did a marvellous job, they managed to get the law changed to allow them to produce wealth. Everything they asked for was given to them yet the great bankers managed to almost bankrupt the British economy.

To be fair to the British Barney, the Americans devised most of the toxic sub-prime CDS's and so forth which created the mess.... The Brits were just stupid enough to buy them
OP Wedle 16 | 496    
8 Mar 2012  #20
Poland was faced with a bigger challenge than England because we had almost no motorways, no stadiums,the airports were in bad state,railway

Ok taking this into consideration, there are now a number of British companies with the experience of having worked on the olympics, that are ready for the next challenge. These project management companies could do great things for Poland.

I do think Poland will pull the rabbit out of the hat though. Everything will be fine- just completed at the last minute- but all will be smooth.

It is impossible for Poland to deliver all it promised. This is just another example of Poland under delivering as pointed out by WB

Its the mentality of the Polish people based on their exposure to the environments they were brought up in

The Poles are conditioned to under deliver and over promise.
JonnyM 11 | 2,622    
8 Mar 2012  #21
1. London is one city

The area rebuilt for the Olympics is bigger than central Warsaw.

did they need to build new highways for the Olimpics?

Did Poland need to build them?

Actually I wonder what was needed to prepare London for Olimpics? Build some sport facilities? What else?

A huge regeneration - all on time and under budget.

Ok taking this into consideration, there are now a number of British companies with the experience of having worked on the olympics, that are ready for the next challenge. These project management companies could do great things for Poland.

Yes.

The Poles are conditioned to under deliver and over promise.

Double yes. Foreign supermarkets who import from PL are very used to suppliers doing this.
bullfrog 6 | 603    
8 Mar 2012  #22
These project management companies could do great things for Poland.

Well, maybe they could start dealing with the London Underground, then follow on with the trains (make them arrive on time, build a few more high speed lines) and finish with rebuilding Heathrow.. British organisation! What an oxymoron.. The Olympics is probably the first major project that Britain will have got approximately right in the past 50 years
OP Wedle 16 | 496    
8 Mar 2012  #23
Trains on time 18 mins St Pancras to Luton Parkway just like a swiss watch old boy. Stop beating up on the Brits and focus on the real problem POLAND.
JonnyM 11 | 2,622    
8 Mar 2012  #24
Well, maybe they could start dealing with the London Underground, then follow on with the trains (make them arrive on time, build a few more high speed lines) and finish with rebuilding Heathrow

Given the complexity of all that, they do it very well indeed.
OP Wedle 16 | 496    
8 Mar 2012  #25
Britain will have got approximately right in the past 50 years

The funny thing about you Swiss is you consider yourselves to have a great quality of life, financed on the back of money laundering, the Americans have the Swiss Banks on the ropes and other countries will follow, your standard of living is about to slip along with the rest of us.
bullfrog 6 | 603    
8 Mar 2012  #26
The funny thing about you Swiss

Unfortunately, for you and for me, I'm not Swiss, only taking advantage of their legendary hospitality.. But I do appreciate their trains..And when talking about money laundering, better take care where you tread.. Ever heard of Jersey, Guernsey , Gibraltar, Cayman Islands and plenty of others?? Who is their ultimate boss?? Blatant case of pot and kettle, old boy!!

Stop beating up on the Brits and focus on the real problem POLAND.

Love it.. Thought that traditional british arrogance had disappeared with the repeated failures of the football team.. Great to see it's still alive and kicking!!
OP Wedle 16 | 496    
8 Mar 2012  #27
Unfortunately, for you and for me, I'm not Swiss, only taking advantage of their legendary hospitality.. But I do appreciate their trains..And when talking about money laundering, better take care where you tread.. Ever heard of Jersey, Guernsey , Gibraltar, Cayman Islands and plenty of others?? Who is their ultimate boss?? Blatant case of pot and kettle, old boy!

Typical arrogance, as for " Jersey, Guernsey , Gibraltar, Cayman Island " full members of the OECD tax treaty - old boy...

Love it.. Thought that traditional british arrogance had disappeared with the repeated failures of the football team.. Great to see it's still alive and kicking!!

Love the fact you consider yourself ....?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,170    
8 Mar 2012  #28
British managers superior to Polish

In what, please tell us dear sir. Cricket ?

its time to bring in the British and GET THE JOB DONE EFFECTIVELY.

Mr Bean is on the way. We all feel safer now.
JonnyM 11 | 2,622    
8 Mar 2012  #29
In what, please tell us dear sir.

See above.

We all feel safer now.

You should. Maybe the metro would have reached Dw. Stadion in time for Euro 2012.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,170    
8 Mar 2012  #30
See above.

Hmm... so please rank Polish and British members of PF and later let's take a closer look at the results.


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