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Standard Polish taught in schools?


Rudy5 13 | 36
6 Jun 2012 #1
Is there a standard Polish taught in school like in German? What dialect is the most common? What dialect is spoken in Lubin? I tried to google them, but there was no straight answer.
cinek 2 | 345
6 Jun 2012 #2
Yes, only standard Polish is the primary education language in Poland. From what I know only kaszubski is taught as an additional language in some gminas and there are plans for śląski too.

Additionally, there are some schools that use Lithuanian for the Lithuanian minority in northern east areas, as well as some that use English (these are mostly for kids of foreigners who are here temporarily).

Reg. the dialects in Poland, the matter got a little complicated after WW2 because of mass migrations of people from the former eastern parts of Poland to the west. Lublin is traditionally situated in the area of dialect małopolski, but you must keep in mind that it's very hard to find anyone speaking 'pure dialect' these days in Poland.

gwarypolskie.uw.edu.pl/index.php?option=com_content&task=se ction&id=8&Itemid=18

Cinek
OP Rudy5 13 | 36
6 Jun 2012 #3
google.com/m/products/catalog?hl=en&gl=us&client=safari&q=polish+engli sh+dictionary&safe=active&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=13336881644093015 354&sa=X&ei=21fPT96AFaSi2wX_t5CsDA&ved=0CGUQ8wIwAA#

Would this or any other dictionary that you could buy have this standard Polish?
Is it difficult to talk to people that talk with other dialects? Do you know any good Polish grammar books or better dictionaries?
enkidu 7 | 623
6 Jun 2012 #4
en.pwn.pl/index.php/about-pwn.html

PWN is an ultimate and most reliable source.
Lyzko
6 Jun 2012 #5
At least in Southern Germany, Rudy, most people may learn High German in school, but definitely SPEAK almost exclusively dialect at home (with very few exceptions). Same in Austria and, above all, Switzerland, where Schwyzertuuetsch is appropriately deemed a separate language, as opposed to Swiss High German (Schweizer Hochdeutsch).

I too learned "standard" Polish, but became aware early on as well that every native Polish speaker I'd encountered, including my own teacher from Lwów, employed their individual regional accent/pronunciation, even vocabulary, when talking in Polish! The written language however, as with High German, remained a constant:-))
OP Rudy5 13 | 36
6 Jun 2012 #6
Thanks, is the dialects difficult to understand for non-native speakers?
Lyzko
6 Jun 2012 #7
Polish dialects? I'd have to say, yes. When faced with widely varying pronunciations, I'd sometimes simply ask people to write down the information I wanted. Again, at least the written language is uniform and so I could read what they said even if I couldn't really understand what I'd just heard.

Is your first language English, Rudy? Just curious:-)
OP Rudy5 13 | 36
6 Jun 2012 #8
Thanks, ya English is my first language, but I've been learning German for 2 years and I'm gonna take up Polish soon. Why do I sound like a non-native English speaker? Haha
Lyzko
7 Jun 2012 #9
Naahh! Only the "Is....?" rather than "ARE dialects....?" threw me a little, since that's usually a foreignism, a dead give away in fact, that the other person's Polish, perhaps even a German native speaker:-) No worries, man.

LOL
OP Rudy5 13 | 36
7 Jun 2012 #10
Haha ya I know about all the different German dialects, but not really about the Polish ones.
Zman
7 Jun 2012 #11
A teacher of polish from Lwów? Gosh darn.... that's one mostly extinct a dialect, unfortunately. After all those WW2 shifts of borders and populations there are hardly any distinct dialects in Poland. Except perhaps for: Silesian, Kashubian (a separate language really), highlanders' speak. Okay, some rural areas are slightly different from standard as well, but for most of us locals here their differences are mostly negligible.
OP Rudy5 13 | 36
7 Jun 2012 #12
Thank you
Lyzko
7 Jun 2012 #13
All I know regarding Polish dialects, are that the Cracovian pronunciation tends to be considered the standard. Other than that, Silesian has lots of German vocabulary words, long since extinct in modern German.
boletus 30 | 1,366
7 Jun 2012 #14
Other than that, Silesian has lots of German vocabulary words, long since extinct in modern German.

Throwing a classic ball to you:

W antrejce na ryczce
Stały pyry w tytce
Przyszła niuda, spucła pyry
A w wymborku myła giry
..
W przedpokoju na stołku
Stały ziemniaki w papierowej torebce
Przyszła świnia, zjadła ziemniaki
A w wiadrze myła nogi

Blubry Starego Marycha: youtube.com/watch?v=WflbU0y-OeI
Lyzko
7 Jun 2012 #15
Yep, classic dialectal variations of standard Polish, half of which, I (as a non-native speaker) simply don't recognize, even the supposed "Germanic" cognates, doubtless false calques:-))))

Thanks, Boletus. You just hit me with a left hookLOL
Jimmu 2 | 157
14 Jun 2012 #16
What dialect is spoken in Lubin?

Lublin is traditionally situated in the area of dialect małopolski,

Lubin (near Wrocław) is Dolny Śląsk but many of the residents are descendants of eastern Poles relocated here at the end of the war.

It seems odd to me that in Dolny Śląsk, no one seems to speak Śląsk!
cinek 2 | 345
14 Jun 2012 #17
Lubin (near Wrocław)

Right! Sorry, I misread it.

I have a friend who comes from Lubin. He was a copper miner for some years.
Now we both live in Bydgoszcz and I can't hear any noticable difference in his speaking compared to other people around here.

Cinek
Lyzko
14 Jun 2012 #18
I've noticed certain speakers from around Zakopane tend to adopt a 'dark' Russian 'l'-sound rather than the standard 'ł'. The again, this might also be stage diction:-)


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