Hi ,coudl some nice (polish person) expline me something . I want help some english speaker person part of gramatic polish : ''przypadki" i dont know how ,is dificult . przypadki make parts or words is changing..Pls tellme which question i can use or whatever to help,, pls help
"Przypadki" means "cases", grammatical or otherwise.
The case tables have already been provided by Yvonka, myself and a few others who, unlike me, are either native speakers or Brits who've lived and worked in the EU.
Anyway, that's what it means. The singular, incidentally, is "przypadek"! In the plural form of all nouns ending with "-ek", "przypadek", "statek" (ship), etc., the final "t" inverts and the "e" disappears, therefore, "przypadek" > "przypadki" and NOT "przypadeki"!! Welcome to the vagueries of Polish (almost as insane as those of English spelling -:) )
The thing would be to show the person a table of grammatical execises, many books will show you how this is done, even some dictionaries will give examples.
many thx to Goonie, Marek andMichal its dificult i understandbut formeits natural andi wasnt know how exlaintopersondont speak polish but thx You and some book maybeiwill :) thx again:)
Polish grammar does seem difficult at first and a good book should help. It all seems a little stupid why you need to change things at all anyway as an example ja jest w Londyn i pracuie w biuro. Ja mam duzo kolegi i teraz siedzi tu w pokoj i czyta ksiazka. All the information is there and there is no need to know grammar to convey meaning. The funny thing about the Poles is that they do not want to say przepraszam but only the English word sorry and I even heard over the weekend on M jak Milosc-'to nie bylo fair' just as in English, not 'to nie jest fairowe! so it all depends on the Poles. When they do not want to know about grammatical declensions anything goes for them too.
I'm polish native speaker:) Polish is a beautiful language. English too. I learn English.
Dla ułatwienia radzę zapamiętać sobie pytania do każdego przypadka. M. (kto, co?) kredka ----- kredki D. (kogo, czego?) kredki ----- kredek C. (komu, czemu?) kredce ----- kredkom B. (kogo, co?)kredkę ----- kredki N. (z kim, z czym?)kredką ----- kredkami M. (o kim, o czym?)kredce ----- kredkach W. (o!) kredko ----- kredki
przykład: Koloruję obraz (czym?- you have to use N) KREDKAMI.
The Polish Przypadki are the most beautiful things on earth, despite the difficulties, non-Polish speakers might have in learning this language. A language that works with a case-system is more rich ,more "intimate" more "close",so to speak, than languages that just make use of prepositions.
I love all Slavonic languages becouse of their case-system and to my humble opinion Polish is theShining Sun amongst all other slavonic languages, becouse of its words, its orthography and case-endings.... I adore the Przypadki!!
Oh yes ,Dutch language used to have 4 cases ("naamvallen") as in German, but now they are in disuse, they just survived in old sayings, poems and expressions...our once so beautiful and rich ,Dutch language is so deteriorated...
De Polen zijn goed in vreemde talen en ik begrijp dat je vloeiend Nederlands spreekt....: In de nederlandse taal zijn de naamvallen helaas zo goed als verdwenen, ze leven nog slechts voort in spreekwoorden, gedichten en uitdrukkingen.... That's why I love the Polish (and other)languages
.So let me say:long live the..
M. D. B. C. N. Ms. W. !! :-)
Eseva.
with other languages I meant to say the Slavonic ones ,mainly....
Nou, de Polen zijn niet echt goed, hebben toch geduld, toen buitenlanders zoals ik hun taal spreken. -:)
Marek Typisch voor de Polen, als ze proberen, Engels te spreken: "Ai ahmm stahsjink ahtt ooniwersituh Ienglisch lahngwitsch,, trrraijink tu betterrr spikink.....
Hoi, hoi Eseva!
Tak, plynnie mówie po holundersku, ja, ik kan vloeiend Nederlands, omdat ik 't privé hadde gelerd 'n daarna op de universiteit gestudeerd. Ik ben ook einige dagen in Nederland geweest, toevallig was m'n vriendin Haagse!
Ale moze tu jest lepiej, "chatowac" po polsku (albo po angielsku!). Jak dobrze (Hoe goed) mówisz po angielsku (spreek je al Engels)? Czy czytasz literature klasysczna w jezyku angielskim? (Lees je burgerlijke literatuur in 't Engels?)
Pa! Marek
DLA ADMINYSTRATORÓW:
Eseva and I were posting regarding my fluency in Dutch and Polish. I asked about how good the level of English is, as well as whether the person also reads solid bourgeoise prose fiction. That was it!
The Polish Przypadki are the most beautiful things on earth, despite the difficulties, non-Polish speakers might have in learning this language. A language that works with a case-system is more rich ,more "intimate" more "close",so to speak, than languages that just make use of prepositions.
Least we forget, English has cases, too! They exist throughout Germanic languages as well as Slavic languages. The cases in the English language were simplified after the Norman invasion of England in 1066. For this same reason, many names in English of cooked animals are different than the names of the living animal - the dead animal names are French because the Normans were the aristocracy and they didn't have to deal with live animals; they only had to deal with the animals on their plates - but I digress.
Cases are not necessary to human syntax. Most Asian languages don't have cases and only a handful of tenses, at the most.
Cases do, however, allow for a kind of subtly that would otherwise not be possible (not in the same way, anyhow). But Polish has TOO MANY friggin' cases! Any language that has more cases than Latin deserves to die because it it too complicated! As I would often joke when at the pub with my friends: "I have to drink more - I'm not drunk enough to speak Polish yet." :D
Icelandic is quite nice... 4 cases (the same 4 that appear in English) regularly used with pretty straight forward grammatical usage rules (not to mention some funny grammar) plus some wicked-awesome vowels! Of all Germanic languages, I think Icelandic is the winner, just as I think Polish, despite its case system, is the winner for Slavic languages.
Enough of this rant. Have a good night/mornings wherever you are.
You are insulting Polish people ,Polish culture and the Polish language itself by uttering "that any language that has more cases than Latin deserves to die"......
This is unacceptable!!
You Americans! Don't think you are superior to anything and anyone!!
You are insulting Polish people ,Polish culture and the Polish language itself by uttering "that any language that has more cases than Latin deserves to die"...... This is unacceptable!!
As I would often joke when at the pub with my friends:
I found post number 20 informative and not at all insulting.
Native American! As a linguist and speaker of various Slavic as well as Germanic languages, I must disagree with your tack. One cannot in good conscience say, "a language has too many cases!"... etc. or that a language is too complicated.
The latter simply suggests a personal frustration with that particular language. Icelandic, which you mention, is an especially rich and textured language, and, like Polish, rich in inflection, which is what endows it with its own particular music.
Try Finnish - 15 cases - and tougher than Polish to learn (I think), but both are such a richly rewarding experience :) - I still haven't got the hang of Polish cases though, but getting there.
Finnish, as with other related Uralic tongues, shares with the Baltic group along with the more "conservative" languages, a richly intricate morphology.
Polish, slightly more Latinized though in its higher-level vocabulary, retains this intricacy.
Norwegian is relatively easy for me, having already studied the two other Scandinavian languages Danish and Swedish.
It is though, far more polarized than either of these two, since there are essentially three official "languages" in Norway; Bokmaal, Riksmaal (formerly Dano-Norwegian) and Nynorsk (formerly "landsmaal").
V-sound (but NOT 'vee', more schwa 'vuh') TEWSHYAWWNTS TRISTA AWSSHYEM GYEHSHAWNTUHM PYAWNTUHM RAWKOO and all, except for the 'gyeSHAWNTUHM' part, accented on the first or primary syllable.
In Polish 'Tysiąc trysta osiemdziesiątym piątym ..' etc.
Scroll down the page and in Finnish there are the latin words with the questions e.g - Nominativus kto? co? - -t Partitivus Ile (czego)? kogo? czego? -a/ -ä ,-ta/-tä -a, -ita, -ja Genetivus kogo? czego? -n -n, -den, tten, in, ten, en
Is there any place I can get an English version with latin? I hope I have explained what I want well enough, trying to get this information for someone.. Emma
