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Devoicing of Polish consonants not always correct?


Zak 3 | 5
7 Jul 2015 #1
Hi so i was speaking Polish to my grandmother the other day and i said the word "Mów" but i pronounced it how everyone online tells you to like "MUF", long story short, she told me to pronounce that as "MUW"...

Do people in different areas of Poland not devoice consonants. All of my family is from a tiny town next to Rzeszów, and I've noticed we pronounce things differently like we always pronounce "Ę" nasalized, ugh i hate it when people don't nasalize it lol, and we pronounce things how they're written more, same thing for "Ą"...

Does anyone know anything about this, thanks!
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
7 Jul 2015 #2
My teacher (originally from former Lwów) ALWAYS would devoice the final, even medial, consonants e.g. "także" (taGże),
"Bóg" (BóK) etc... Some Poles have said this is regional, others, that it's correct. I tend to err on the side of caution and to trust my first, and still best, teacher:-)
Wulkan - | 3,251
7 Jul 2015 #3
Do people in different areas of Poland not devoice consonants.

No, last consonant is is always devoiced if it's ending sound of the word.
gumishu 11 | 5,323
7 Jul 2015 #4
Do people in different areas of Poland not devoice consonants.

yes devoicing didn't work the same in all Polish dialects
OP Zak 3 | 5
7 Jul 2015 #5
Maybe it's just because my grandmothers older idk! She's in her mid 50s, so maybe devoicing is more common now then from back then... but my mom say krówki as kruwki lol, maybe we're just weird and old fashioned

Gumishu
And if that's true that would explain it...
Wulkan - | 3,251
7 Jul 2015 #6
krówki as kruwki

It's same thing, the second one is spelled wrongly but it would be pronounced the same.
OP Zak 3 | 5
7 Jul 2015 #7
I still don't know how to quote, hold on

It's same thing, the second one is spelled wrongly but it would be pronounced the same

I just didn't want to use "ó" for a pronunciation guide... in retrospect i see how that could have gave the wrong message
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
7 Jul 2015 #8
At least when I typically devoice those consonants, I've never been correct by even an educated Polish native speaker! I figure therefore that my pronunciation of these combinations at least must be authentic. My grammar on the other hand??? That's another storyLOL
jon357 63 | 15,309
7 Jul 2015 #9
I figure therefore that my pronunciation of these combinations at least must be authentic. My grammar on the other hand??? That's another storyLOL

Normal!

ells you to like "MUF", long story short, she told me to pronounce that as "MUW"

The second is more normal, at least in Eastern Poland. Remember though that the actual sound is somewhere between the way an American would say moof and move....
NocyMrok
10 Jul 2015 #10
Eastern Poland

I'm from Western Poland and neither we devoice. It happens when one talks fast or is lazy but it's not like some dialect feat. In fact there's no dialect at all in Zielona Góra. Just pure, beautiful Polish. :D
Lyzko 25 | 7,139
10 Jul 2015 #11
I've basically always heard them devoiced. S'ppose I'll have to listen more carefully next time:-)


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