What's depressing is the fact that I spent quite a lot of time yesterday trying to make people on PF admit that war = murder, and they wouldn't.
I'll be the first to admit that then. (As an ex-military.)
There are plenty good videos on Youtube on this topic. The Spitfire ones are the best :) :)
I bet you don't even realize how this sounds to me, but it seems you don't mind a good video. Enjoy. I guess.
No the goal is to win.
Oh really? And what do you know, paintball champion? So it wasn't about genocide during the second world war? It wasn't about genocide in former Yugoslavia? It wasn't about genocide in Rwanda? They've never dropped any Napalm on villages and civilians in Vietnam? They've never dropped a nuclear bomb on Hiroshima?
It's obviously not about peace and diplomacy. It's about big bucks and resources for the elite and their industrial empires, and also about happy puppet-politicians who are allowed to keep their jobs if they agree. Oh, and something else; How can winning be a goal when everybody loses? Newsflash: War costs money and has the potential to damage and traumatize whole generations.
As for Bomber Harris, there's a statue of him and the majority of people dont believe he did anything worse than the Luftwaffe did to cities in the UK - as already stated, it was war time and **** happened.
Self-defense is justified in my books, but invading definitely isn't, especially not under the guise of stability, democracy and peace. (It's sounds nicer, doesn't it?) It doesn't change the fact war is disgusting though, and that every soldier is basically a man who's forced to shoot another man, whatever the political agenda dictates. That said, I can only hope that humanity will grow too old for this behaviour.
Killing of enemy combatants by lawful combatants in accordance with lawful orders in war, although illicit killings within a war may constitute murder or homicidal war crimes
Definition of a combatant: An armed person who's actively engaging in combat. If you shoot an unarmed soldier, it's murder. If you kill a civilian, it's murder. About 1.366.350 Iraqi civilians got murdered already, and about 16.373 American soldiers were killed in action. So you can do the math, and then have the nerves to tell anyone that war isn't murder. You can dress it up all you want, however you like, but I'll be there, whiping my butt with such euphemisms.