United States of America Vs Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth

Interesting thread, but what neighbors are you talking about? Canada and Mexico? hmm.

Poland during the 18th century was about the size of Texas. the average person in TX owns about 2 guns and missile launcher lol. Come and get us whoever you think that may be.

also, don't forget that the US is about the size of the whole Europe and there are 50 self-sufficient states. It's like trying to classify the collapse of the Polish–Lithuanian commonwealth under the collapse of Europe. Did that ever happened by the way? I guess the dark ages could count as one. anyway, it's going to be a while before we collapse so don't hold your breath waiting.

You ever seen a confrontation between armed civilians and an army? If US ever gets occupied the civilians will stop getting silly ideas after the first city gets slaughtered after attempting rebellion.

Ps. every noble in PLC owned guns and sabres.


Twice rubbish, most states are not self sufficient and its not the size of Europe.


Not really, you're collapsing now.

Irrelevent, as it was irrelevant that Britain was 20 times smaler than China and 15 times smaller than India. Portugal was 90 times smaler than Brasil.

In 2011 realities are diferent than they were in PLC so it is also irrelevant how far or how close the real or perceived anemy is. You may have heard about airplaines. But those won't be needed to destroy the US as the enemy (some of them at least) is within. Banks and multinational corporatons will suffice and at the current debt the US carries, all it'd take would be for China to ask the US for the repayment of the money it lent the US. And that's just one country the US visitited with their collections hat to beg for money.

With $60 trillion of obligations the country is probably in the worst economic shape any country ever was in human history. With the debt to GDP ratio it is exactly where Greece was when Banks decided Greece is now the property of multinatonal Banks. Portugal and Ireland were privatised with even smaler debt to GDP ratios.

When in 1992 LA police beat up one Rodney King and the perpetrators were subsequently acquitted we could witness one of the most severe incidents of social unrest in the US. It was a small court case and having to do with a tiny part of the population. Now imagine what might happen if suddenly one of the puppets (aka US presidents) stops food stamps, medicare, gas goes up to $10/Gal and Big Mac to $50 (fries extra, and no supersizing for $0.50).

Again, the US with its ridiculous policies towards banks and big corporations is desroying itself, and sadly, draging the rest of the world into one big mess, much bigger than it already authored.

The US is in the best position in the world to default on Chinese or any other loan.

Millitarilly, yes.
And that would mark the official end of the American dream as Americans would have to finally wake up.

AdamKadmon wrote:


Have you heard Donald Trump's theory about what we owe China? Tax everything they sell to us 25%. They rely so much on the USA to buy their cheap stuff that they'd have no choice but to comply.

Oh Donald......

Then they call in your debt and bankrupt you overnight at which point you have to buy what they sell since your own economy just went south.

you're mistaking here man, China's economy is nothing without us :

Table 8: China's Top Export Destinations, 2010 ($ billion)
Source: PRC General Administration of Customs, China's Customs Statistics
Rank Country/region Volume % change over 2009
1 United States 283.3 28.3
2 Hong Kong 218.3 31.3
3 Japan 121.1 23.7
4 South Korea 68.8 28.1
5 Germany 68.0 36.3
6 The Netherlands 49.7 35.5
7 India 40.9 38.0
8 United Kingdom 38.8 24.0
9 Singapore 32.3 7.6
10 Italy 31.1 53.8

Smart change of politics here and China's economy goes South. The fact is that we all need each other one way or another, some more and some less.

please, stay on topic...thanks

In all fairness - if the United States and other countries told China "sorry, we're not paying" - there's very little China could do. China is in a very bad position in this respect - she doesn't have many allies, and an Russo-American axis of non payment taking in a lot of the Western world could put China in an awful situation - especially if it was accompanied by nationalisation of Chinese assets at the same time.

Sokrates wrote:


and the USA says, "kiss maaaa ass, seabass!" and China cries weeeeee all the way home.

It’s a simplistic approach that unfortunately sells well to your average Joe, rhetoric without substance. The reality is quite different; Overlooking the fact that it’s you who are dependent on that cheap stuff as you have no production of your own to speak of, your consumer goods that is, it’s a complete nonsense. Face it what would you do without your Wal-Mart. No consumer goods to sell a third of the Civilian labor force unemployed increasing the strain on the society, causing havoc in the short term not to mention the US corporate interest in getting those products to the US market, after all they worked so hard at it to open up new cheap labor markets and free trade to increase profit. Nationalism? What nationalism? Global corporate interest is the only factor that matters.

Don’t forget China is by far the largest holder of foreign exchange reserves with Japan as a close second. It’s no secret that Japan has its own set of problems in need of cash fast and the rest of the foreign holders are feeling the pinch as well. Your position is not that of strength and Hillary Clinton's urging China to continue to buy U.S. treasury securities to keep up the appearance of confidence in the US economy and state is looking more and more like bagging to keep the boat afloat. Chinese government officials have already openly called for replacing the dollar as the world’s main foreign reserve currency so it looks to me that the power struggle has started already. If China at some point decides to unload a large share of its U.S. securities holdings for whatever reason the domino effect is all but guaranteed and your fate sealed. Of course I don’t think China is seriously considering such a move at this stage of the game, it’s simply not in their interest, at least not yet but a rogue rhetoric presented by the likes of Trump as a sound and feasible alternative to change the reality as it stands is proof positive that right now financially at least US stands on a very shaky ground indeed. When it’s all said and done it will survive but emerge out of it all in a much weaker state provided that cooler heads prevail and no one does anything stupid but with talk like that, that’s not guaranteed either.


You can bark all you want, after all it’s good for morale and psyche but the change is inevitable. Open confrontation like in war is in no one’s interest, neither yours nor China's nor corporate but I'll guarantee that you will see this shift in nation status sooner than you expect. As a matter a fact it's here already, it's the perception and disbelieve of the reality that have not sunk in yet.

One thing we can never forget when talking about China......the world doesn't trust them. People look at China and think: they eat dogs, work like robots, are insensitive......the world would rather have the USA running things and that will always stand in the way of China's progress.

many people don't even shop at Walmart to begin with. For example, we shop mainly at Lowes Food and Food Lion.

Until the Liberum Veto The Commonwealth was a much better place to live, it's problem was it formed about 200 years before it should have.