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Polish-Turkish alliance. Is it mistake, joke or real love?


George8600 10 | 632
2 Aug 2010 #31
Let's say, history is my passion :)

Ah well so is mine! European and Asian history to be particular. ^_^

If you really like Polish history I insist you read the books God's Playground by Norman Daives, it's a two volume book set and covers the whole of Polish history from the ancient pagan slavs to modern day. It's considered one of the best works on Polish history. Since you're in Turkey it might not be available so I pasted the google book links below where you can see them:

Volume I:Origins to 1795

Volume II:1795 to Present

My grandparents born and raised in Greece. I am also very familiar with Greek culture and Greek history.

Ah wow, so are you Greek blooded or were they Turkish diapsoria? There are many Turkish inhabitants in Greece, especially among the islands.

Slurp,slurp.Are you a real Greek?Our forefathers spilled tons of their blood to get us free from the Turks.We did over 100 revolutions against their rule.

Yes I am a real greek....half as I said before.

Turks hadn't done anything to you. They ruled Balkans nearly 500 years but unlike other empires they let the people keep their language, keep their religion. There was peace, only peace in these lands. Just forget what you read in your propagandist history books, and learn real history. This is the Polish-Turkish topic, If you open another topic, or contact me in private we can discuss that issue.

Such is very true. All empires have shed blood. What makes you thing Greece would have been better off under the Napoleonic empire, the British Empire, Austro-Hungarian Empire, or the Prussian Empire? I can tell you that Greek culture and language most likely would not be around or at minimal levels today. I can also tell you that Greece's Orthodox Christianity would have been long abolished for Roman Catholicism. The problem with the Balkans (including Turkey) can be propaganda nationalism, there is a lot of it flowing around and I think many Balkan problems can be solved if people indeed studied true history and culture and coexisted. Truth of the matter is the problems with the Balkans including the Ottoman empire are no where near compared to those having occurred throughout main-land Europe throughout the centuries. You name it: The Nazi's, the Stalinists, the Napoleonics (even though not so evil), the Crusaders, and what not.

Religion is something between you and god. And Turkey is the most tolerant country in the whole world about religion.

I concur, in these days people care too much about other peoples religious views. At least Turkey is open to religion (but not the most in the whole world since I don't think that can be measured). Unlike Turkey, countries like France and Great Britain are using their 'liberal' ideals to become a policing state amongst other people's religions almost like big brother. You can't wear turbans, religious symbols, etc etc. Killing freedom of speech and right to own acts and beliefs.
king polkakamon - | 542
2 Aug 2010 #32
Because of Ottoman Empire no Renaisance no industrial revolution in Balkans.We were the first and became the tail of Europe in terms of development.The Turks built absolutely nothing in the regions they occupied it is the only folk in history who has achieved this after the Mongols.
bosman - | 6
12 Aug 2010 #33
If you really like Polish history I insist you read the books God's Playground by Norman Daives

Thanks for the suggestion, I got them from library :)

Ah wow, so are you Greek blooded or were they Turkish diapsoria? There are many Turkish inhabitants in Greece, especially among the islands.

That's a quite difficult story to tell. Let's say 25% Greek, 75% Turkish :) They were from Thessaloniki. (Actually, Izmir and Thessaloniki looked like twin cities. Love them both!)

The Turks built absolutely nothing in the region

Biggest lie ever!

Smyrni.

So what?
bullfrog 6 | 602
5 Feb 2015 #34
And last year, Turkey and Poland celebrated the 600th anniversary of this event, making the two countries among the ones with the longest diplomatic relationships in the world. Turkey and Poland have been more frequently allies than enemies, probably also because they have shared for a long time a common enemy (the bear). Even Jan III Sobieski agreed only reluctantly to go and fight the Turks in Vienna (he was asked by the then Pope to go)

Turkey was the only country in the world who never acknowledged the partitions of Poland

Correct
Marsupial - | 881
5 Feb 2015 #35
The Turks were never to be ignored by Poland or indeed by Australia. Someting in common there. I see the turks as the most adavanced of the lot to their south. Maybe if istanbul becomes a free city and renames itself constantinople it could join the EU on its own? Without asia. After all it's not the AU. Turkey makes a strong ally for sure in europe so why not with poland? Turkeys democracy is a bit suss and the more democratic allies it has the more this will hopefully rub off on Turks. Now the peackock can hang with the turkey.


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