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Polish soldiers in '68 made Czech men to drink beer from his shoes...


Ksysia 25 | 430
4 Feb 2010  #1
OK... Not as fantazyjne as shaking the moustache of the foreign King, hehe.

I'm not sure if anyone is interested to know this, but Czech are not really a tame nation of beer drinkers, or at least they weren't in the past.

We have always warred with them and made alliances. Very nice wars they were. The Cities of Spis, Miasta Spiskie, are the rich region that we are on about.

this year the Cieszyn will be united into one city, because up until now we each held a half.
The Hussite Trilogy by Sapkowski gives more detail of brave Czech knights, noble deeds, battles, ambushes, ambassadors, schemes and Princes. Very good read.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
5 Feb 2010  #2
That is ridiculous! They are just bully-boy tactics! It wasn't even a full-blown war at all, just a dislike of communism.
Harry
5 Feb 2010  #3
Indeed. Poles seem to have a national amnesia when it comes to the fact that they have invaded Czechoslovakia three times last 82 years. Ironically, the Czechs never got to return the favour because just when they were about to invade Poland, martial law was declared.
Exiled 2 | 425
5 Feb 2010  #4
Czechs have not invaded anything in the last 400 years.
vetala - | 382
5 Feb 2010  #5
Actually, they did - in 1919, while Poland was busy fighting with the Soviet Union. It was just as much a d*ckish move as the Polish invasion of Czechoslovakia.
Harry
5 Feb 2010  #6
Would you care to go into details about that? My understanding of the 1919 invasion is that Poland broke the temporary agreement both sides had committed to and the Czechs reacted accordingly. How is that remotely similar to taking part in the Nazi or Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia?
Ironside 47 | 9,624
5 Feb 2010  #7
My understanding of the 1919 invasion is that Poland broke the temporary agreement both sides had committed to and the Czechs reacted accordingly.

you again? yes others have always reason or excuse but Poles of course have no reason nor explanation, and then you dare to claim that you have nothing against Poles.

You known well that only reason for Czech invasion were manufactures and the very fact that Poland was fighting with Soviets.
As for 1968 you don't want to dig that it was no Polish government and if you don't dig the difference more fool you!
Harry
5 Feb 2010  #8
You known well that only reason for Czech invasion were manufactures and the very fact that Poland was fighting with Soviets.

Manufactured? Do you deny that the interim Polish-Czechoslovak agreement stated that no sovereign rule was to be executed in the disputed areas? Or do you wish to deny that Polish legislators wanted the 1919 Polish legislative election be organized in whole Cieszyn region? Perhaps Poland should have thought a little before trying to throw her weight about?

As for 1968 you don't want to dig that it was no Polish government and if you don't dig the difference more fool you!

Poland is completely blameless because in 1968 it had no democratically elected government? OK, by your logic Germany and Germans are completely blameless for the events of WWII because they had no democratically elected government at that time. I assume Poland will be returning all German propery taken as war reparations to Germany.
Ironside 47 | 9,624
5 Feb 2010  #9
Do you deny that the interim Polish-Czechoslovak agreement sta

I deny nothing

and then you dare to claim that you have nothing against Poles

however it still stands !

Poland is completely blameless because in 1968 it had no democratically elected government

Its no question of democracy, Germans ( in Germany Hitler was voted to power, no matter)or Soviet had governments raised from within forces, bad or good no matter.

The difference is when one country invaded another and then install government to its laking and is supporting said government by the treat of force and garnisons planted all over the country.

There no will of the population, there only corrupted individual and subjugated general population - and you being 15 years in Poland telling me you don't understand ? Well, you never will because you don;t want to understand!
Harry
5 Feb 2010  #10
in Germany Hitler was voted to power, no matter

No he was not. The Nazis never managed to get even a third of the vote in free elections. Please learn about history before trying to discuss it.
Exiled 2 | 425
5 Feb 2010  #11
Nazis came to power by semilegal method,in fact both Hindenburg and Papen were in the trick.
Ironside 47 | 9,624
5 Feb 2010  #12
No he was not.

whatever Harry, it is completely unimportant for the sake of our discussion how Hitler manged to become Chancellor, point is he wasn't installed by the British troops nor French nor Martians !

However Harry
yes others have always reason or excuse but Poles of course have no reason nor explanation, and then you dare to claim that you have nothing against Poles

as
Its no question of democracy, Germans or Soviet had governments raised from within forces, bad or good no matter.

Well, you never will because you don;t want to understand
Piorun - | 658
5 Feb 2010  #13
Manufactured, Yes. The dispute between Czechs and Poles over Cieszyn is like the dispute over Jerusalem today, what Palestinians claim and what Jews think and do are two different things. Besides your claim that Poles invaded Czechoslovakia in 68 is as much a fantasy as it is Jealousy. Jealousy, because finally after the purges of the Jews from the ranks of Polish communist it was mostly the decision of the Poles. Fantasy because it is as ridicules of a claim as saying that Poland Invaded Iraq in 2003, having a token of your troops participating is not the same as planning, executing and ordering others to do so, all of which was done by the Soviet Jews.

If I followed your logic in all of this I could conclude that it was the Jews who invaded Czechoslovakia in 68.
Harry
5 Feb 2010  #14
Manufactured, Yes.

Do you wish to deny that the interim Polish-Czechoslovak agreement stated that no sovereign rule was to be executed in the disputed areas? Or do you wish to deny that Polish legislators wanted the 1919 Polish legislative election be organized in whole Cieszyn region?

Or perhaps you would like to claim that Poland was invited to take part in the Nazi invasion of Czechoslovakia?

Besides your claim that Poles invaded Czechoslovakia in 68 is as much a fantasy as it is Jealousy.

Yes, I'm just so jealous that I wasn't able to invade a country which was peacefully struggling for freedom. Well done Poland for being lucky enough to make sure that Czechoslovakia got another 20 years of the communism which Poles claim to have hated so much.
Piorun - | 658
5 Feb 2010  #15
Yes, I'm just so jealous that I wasn't able to invade a country which was peacefully struggling for freedom.

Please don’t be, Your Jewish brethren at Kremlin seen to the fate of Czechoslovakia and sealed it for the next 20 years of the communism till the Poles finally give them a chance to get rid of the yoke.

Or perhaps you would like to claim that Poland was invited to take part in the Nazi invasion of Czechoslovakia?

What I have claimed was that Poland was made to do a dirty deed against fellow Slavs by the Jews in 68, the interesting thing is that you have not disputed that fact.
Harry
5 Feb 2010  #16
Your Jewish brethren

We've discussed this before: you are far more Jewish than me.

Poland was made to do a dirty deed against fellow Slavs by the Jews in 68, the interesting thing is that you have not disputed that fact.

Fact? Can you perhaps give some details as to the gun which was held to Poland's head to make her join in the invasion? Other communist countries refused to join in and nothing happened to them. Isn't it actually the case that Poland needed no more encouragement from Soviet Russia to invade Czechoslovakia than she needed from Nazi Germany to invade Czechoslovakia and from nobody at all to invade Czechoslovakia, Ukraine and Lithuania.
Bzibzioh
5 Feb 2010  #17
Isn't it actually the case that Poland needed no more encouragement from Soviet Russia to invade Czechoslovakia

Yes, Harry, Poles live to torment poor Czech brothers!!! Happy now?
Harry
5 Feb 2010  #18
Not until you at least also admit to the fact that Poles also owe a huge apology to Ukraine for the way that Ukraine was invaded and occupied by Poland and the people of Ukraine sold down the river or oppressed and that a similar apology is owed to Lithuania after Poland crapped on the peace process with the Zeligowski 'Mutiny' and occupied the capital of Lithuania.

Although why a Canadian (i.e. you) wants to apologise for the actions of Poland I have no idea.
Bzibzioh
5 Feb 2010  #19
Not until you at least also admit to the fact that Poles also owe a huge apology to Ukraine

Don't push your luck, Harry.

Although why a Canadian (i.e. you) wants to apologise for the actions of Poland I have no idea.

Damn, my cunning subterfuge has been uncovered.
OP Ksysia 25 | 430
5 Feb 2010  #20
Ukraine was invaded and occupied

No. it was inherited, mostly. Also there had been some Kozak rebellions. They originated from Polish reluctance to acknowledge Ukrainian nobility. I think that was rude of us. Kozacy are a warlike people, and the conflict between us was warlike. Nothing to apologize for. In fact, a good occasion to make heroes and officers.

Kozacy wento to Muscovy for help, because from Poland all they could get was this line: 'you are traitors'. So they got help from Muscovy, who then promptly turned to killing Ukraine.

i imagine that they must be blaming us.

If you come to look at the conflict between us in the 20 century, in that century Ukraine was recognized by Poles as part of Poland and Ukrainian nationals were Polish citizens. You may want to enter into yet another of your racist rants, but there you go: gene Ruthenus, natione Polonus, religione Catholicus, was the way of introducing people. You will notice the shifts of meaning between words in Enlgihs and Polish and Latin.

At any rate, today there is a Ukrainian language, nation, and state. I wish that they would be richer, so that Russia would not meddle with their heads like Germany meddles with ours.
gumishu 11 | 4,993
5 Feb 2010  #21
you forgot to mention that Lithuanians were puny minority in Wilno/Vilnius whatever you call it and in the surrrounding area. Even now there are pockets around Wilno/Vilnius that have Polish majority. You would be surprised to know that even in there second best capital Kaunas?Kowno Lithuanians were originally a minority in 1919
Boguslaw - | 7
5 Feb 2010  #22
The Nazis gained political power in Germany's government through a democratic election in 1932. They indeed dismantled democracy, however there is no analogy between Nazi Germany and Communist Poland.

I assume Poland will be returning all German propery taken as war reparations to Germany.

If you equal events from 68 with Nazi invasion and occupation of Poland, so in that case, you are only proving what i had been suspecting. You are a closet nazi.

Well done Poland for being lucky enough to make sure that Czechoslovakia got another 20 years of the communism

As a typical anticommunist you are to smug to realise your own ignorance.
First of all, Czechoslovakia was not planning to overthrow the Communism. Quite on the contrary, they were talking all the time about "Socialism with a human face", what is more, they were calling for imposing similar reforms to those that Poles had imposed during "Polish October'56". Some people were even stressing the need of "Polish way to Socialism".

Yet it is clear that the intervention was disgusting, you should bear in mind that Czechs have the biggest sympathy for communist past in a region as well as they are more concern with 1938 than with 1968. So stop using that pretensious anticommunist pompatus language and read some good books.

Ukraine was invaded and occupied by Poland and the people of Ukraine sold down the river or oppressed

Can you elaborate on that piece about Ukraine?

What is your source of information btw? Volkischer Beobachter? I have no problems with apology to Lithuanians but I am afraid that Lithuanians have problems with recognizing Ponary Massacre in which 70 000 Jews, 20 000 Poles and 8 000 Russians had been killed by German Nazis and Nazi Lithuanian collaborators.
Harry
5 Feb 2010  #23
The Nazis gained political power in Germany's government through a democratic election in 1932.

They didn't even get a third of the vote, did they.

You are a closet nazi.

Superb! I've been called a Nazi and a Jew on the same page of one thread! I do wish you lot could make your mind up what people who dare tell the truth about Poles are.
Boguslaw - | 7
5 Feb 2010  #24
They didn't even get a third of the vote, did they.

To be frank this is quite irrelevant right now, since the point was that nazis took power through democratic elections, but if you really want to dwell on this, so here we go

[some excerpts from Doris Bergen's "War & Genocide: A Concise History of the Holocaust" (Rowman & Littlefield 2003), pp. 54-57,] :

"Hitler's political position in early 1933 (when he was appointed Chancellor) was not that strong. His party's support had dropped from its July 1932 peak, and even then it had received only 37 percent of the votes cast. . . .

Hitler made his first major move in early 1933 against the Communists, a target he chose with care. Communism could have posed a real threat to Nazi power. Like the Nazi party, the Communist Party had local cells throughout Germany. It was well represented both in the Reichstag and in the streets ... The Communists, however, were an ideal first target for another reason as well; Hitler was guaranteed to have allies against them.

I do wish you lot could make your mind up what people who dare tell the truth about Poles are.

Well i will give you an advice: stop using Goebbels sophistry. You confuse being intelligent with being conceit. Your knowledge about Poland is accidental and superficial, yet you really believe that your knowledge is profound and optimal.

btw
Are you an American?
Harry
6 Feb 2010  #25
You're completely wrong there. But then you seem to make something of a habit of being completely wrong, keep up that habit: you have a talent for it!
Boguslaw - | 7
6 Feb 2010  #26
Ok Mr. Cangaroo, I was just asking. You may relax now.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,445
6 Feb 2010  #27
Isn't it actually the case that Poland needed no more encouragement from Soviet Russia to invade Czechoslovakia than she needed from Nazi Germany

NO. I think that you need to read about 1968 Harry.
Nathan 18 | 1,363
6 Feb 2010  #28
in 1919, while Poland was busy fighting with the Soviet Union. It was just as much a d*ckish move as the Polish invasion of Czechoslovakia.

Some history from other sources, not Polish books ;):

The majority of Polish forces were engaged in fighting with the West Ukrainian National Republic over eastern Galicia at that time.

I don't see you fighting the Soviet Union in 1919, but Ukrainian republic army.

The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) was a constitutionally socialist state that existed in Eurasia from 1922 to 1991.

Poland broke an agreement of 1918 in 1919 like it did in 1938 with agreement signed in 1925 with the same country.

No. it was inherited, mostly

Ukraine was inherited by Poland? Who gave you the inheritance, daughter of Einstein? ;)

Also there had been some Kozak rebellions. They originated from Polish reluctance to acknowledge Ukrainian nobility.

So Cossacks fought for the recognition of Ukrainian nobility rights? Hm, you might become a new renowned Polish historian ;)

in the 20 century, in that century Ukraine was recognized by Poles as part of Poland and Ukrainian nationals were Polish citizens.

Cool, what a nice recognition, especially from the country, which didn't exist a couple of years earlier. There were Polish nationals in Ukrainian republic, but we didn't "recognize" you as a part of Ukraine (we've got enough morons, no need in extra)

You will notice the shifts of meaning between words in Enlgihs and Polish and Latin.

What is that, some joke? It reminds me a bit of biological classifications in genuses and species like, for example, that bacteria I was infected with once Polonicus retardicus, which makes your ass itch.
jasinski 10 | 62
6 Feb 2010  #29
the czechs are like brothers,
OP Ksysia 25 | 430
6 Feb 2010  #30
of course, and quite battle prone ;)


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