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Why have Poles contributed so little to Academics? (Particularly Science)



RetroDog    
22 Oct 2011  #151

"If my theory of relativity is proven successful, Germany will claim me as a German
and France will declare that I am a citizen of the world. Should my theory prove
untrue, France will say that I am a German and Germany will declare that I am a Jew."
- Albert Einstein

" Therefore you see at thirteen I was not only converted to other religious
views but I also stopped believing that the Jewish people are in any way
"the chosen people. " This is my other reason for requesting not to be
included in your work."
- Richard Feynman
requesting to not be included on any list based on race.


pawian 127 | 6,555    
22 Oct 2011  #152

Polish scientists in Gdańsk developed an atomic clock based on pulsar timing. The most accurate ever.



They claim it is the first such clock in the world.
ShortHairThug - | 1,104    
22 Oct 2011  #153

They claim it is the first such clock in the world.

No doubt, to counter this claim some Jew will claim he invented Time itself. LOL
Amathyst 19 | 2,705    
22 Oct 2011  #154

This thread still going ?Do not tell me that some troll keep you going for weeks?

But it's always nice to prove people wrong, which he has been, several times - some poeple dont seem to think there is life outside of their own back yard and if they haven't heard much about a country then there cant be anything worth while about that country...Ignorance is bliss :)
RetroDog    
22 Oct 2011  #155

Well, actually Einstein reinvented Time.
But he was attending catholic school, so he didn't get proper Jewish education in freedom of thinking.

Wolfgang Pauli
Nobel Prize in Physics 1945
was raised as a Roman Catholic,

hehe It's getting interesting
Einstein, Feynman, Pauli - not even raised as Jews.
Seanus 15 | 19,748    
22 Oct 2011  #156

May I just say that Hitler was a Catholic too. Thanks, that's all.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,382    
22 Oct 2011  #157

Well, actually Einstein reinvented Time.

His family was murdered by the Germans, and yet Alex the foolish seems to think that the Germans always considered Jews as their own(:
RetroDog    
23 Oct 2011  #158

Seanus:
I have never claimed that Catholics are superior, so it doesn't bother me at all .
Seanus 15 | 19,748    
23 Oct 2011  #159

I know :) :)
EM_Wave 9 | 312    
10 Mar 2012  #160

As you can see, 3 of the 4 Nobel Prize science winners from Poland are Jewish despite the fact that Jews were a minority.

So much for the theory that ethnic Poles are the smartest people in the world as claimed by many users here such as polskimoc.

Also, Jews account for over 20% of Nobel Prize winners. That is over 200 winners in total while Poland has only been awarded 12 Nobel Prize awards. I'm being generous with the latter too because I'm counting Jews.

That is quite sad really LMAO. It's hilarious that some Poles think they're the smartest people LOL!
boletus 30 | 1,367    
10 Mar 2012  #161

It's hilarious that some Poles think they're the smartest people LOL!

And you are about to tell us, and to prove it too, how smart you are personally? Perhaps you have invented something breathtaking in mathematics, physics, engineering, or computer science - so you can gloat about it all over this forum? I cannot wait, please hurry up. I am humbly ready to examine your achievements and - if they are anything more than high school exercise - I am ready to personally decorate you with a laurel wreath.

Otherwise, apologize and shut up.
EM_Wave 9 | 312    
10 Mar 2012  #162

You're missing the point. Poles are always talking about how they are the smartest people, their food is the best, and their women are the most beautiful. They complain about Jews all the time even though Jews have CLEARLY contributed so much more to the world than they have.
boletus 30 | 1,367    
10 Mar 2012  #163

No, I am not missing anything, don't be so presumptuous. I see your spite very clearly. You just resurrected the old thread, hoping to **** all over Poles, but actually you just ****ed all over yourself, because your logic is screwed here very badly.

You obviously do not see any difference between "universal quantification" and "existential quantification", between words "all" and "some". I already gave a little lecture somewhere on this forum on the subject of quantification and generalization. If you read it you would not have been posting your nonsense in this thread.

Specifically, when you say "Poles are always talking about how they are the smartest people" you imply "all Poles", and that is a universal statement, and because of its universality - it is definitely false.

As an example, I will tell you very strongly that your quantification "all Poles" does not include me, and because of it - "all Poles" - "boletus" is not equal to "all Poles" anymore. So what you have implied is actually false, and therefore you were spreading a lie. If you have just said "some Poles" rather than "Poles" (or "all Poles") I would have just passed by happily, ignoring your post.

Secondly, I am not going through the futile exercise of comparing either brain capacities or penis sizes. That's the childish game. Whatever happened for the last two centuries before was historically conditioned and it is a matter of the past. Whatever happens nowadays is another story. Poles have nothing to be ashamed of in the field of modern science nowadays.

But if you still attempt to play a game about superiority of your people, then I remind you of my challenge from my previous post: Show off and I would be more than happy to match it. Otherwise shut up.
EM_Wave 9 | 312    
10 Mar 2012  #164

Specifically, when you say "Poles are always talking about how they are the smartest people" you imply "all Poles", and that is a universal statement, and because of its universality - it is definitely false.

No, I'm not implying every single Pole. I am implying it's a general view among many Poles. The facts have been stated in this thread. Jews have contributed more to science than Poles have even though they were a minority in Poland. This obviously makes you angry judging by your other posts in this thread.
boletus 30 | 1,367    
10 Mar 2012  #165

This obviously makes you angry judging by your other posts in this thread.

Oh, you read my other posts? Without comprehension obviously. But I know when to walk away from futile childish discussions.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,787    
10 Mar 2012  #166

That is quite sad really LMAO. It's hilarious that some Poles think they're the smartest people LOL!

That's a pretty poor attempt at trolling.
MediaWatch 10 | 947    
10 Mar 2012  #167

You're missing the point. Poles are always talking about how they are the smartest people, their food is the best, and their women are the most beautiful..

No they are not in general. That is a loaded remark by you in which you are trying to provoke anti-Polish prejudice by it.

No, I'm not implying every single Pole. I am implying it's a general view among many Poles..

That’s another loaded anti-Polish remark by you saying that “in general” Poles think this or that.

Although I'm sure some Poles may feel that way, do you really think Poles think anymore than Russians, Jews, Italians, Brits, Americans, etc to have this idealistic view about there own people?

Jews have contributed more to science than Poles have even though they were a minority in Poland.

How do you know that? And if true, should Poland get any credit for giving Jews a place to live where they could contribute to science? Or maybe you think it should be taken for granted that Poles gave Jews a place to live?
delphiandomine 87 | 15,787    
10 Mar 2012  #168

No they are not in general. That is a loaded remark by you in which you are trying to provoke anti-Polish prejudice by it.

Sorry MediaWatch, but while bumping the thread in this way was blatant trolling, it doesn't change the facts - Poles are notorious for this. Then again, I live in Poland and hear it on a daily basis, and you? What do you hear, except Americanisms?

That’s another loaded anti-Polish remark by you saying that “in general” Poles think this or that.

It's not anti-Polish, it's factual. In general, Poles regard themselves as better than everyone else. It's common in Europe.

And if true, should Poland get any credit for giving Jews a place to live where they could contribute to science?

Will you stop with this "give credit to Poland for giving them a home" nonsense.
Ironside 46 | 8,407    
10 Mar 2012  #169

[quote=EM_Wave]
No, I'm not implying every single Pole. I am implying it's a general view among many Poles. The facts have been stated in this thread. Jews have contributed more to science than Poles have even though they were a minority in Poland. This obviously makes you angry judging by your other posts in this thread.

Let talk why you are such a teat!
EM_Wave 9 | 312    
10 Mar 2012  #170

That's a pretty poor attempt at trolling.

Oh come on. Please don't try to tell me you've never met a Pole who thought Poles are the most intelligent people on earth.
Gruffi_Gummi - | 106    
10 Mar 2012  #171

Jews are EVERYWHERE, not only in Poland, overrepresented in "white collar" jobs, including science, and this overrepresentation translates into a statistically elevated ratio of true achievements. There are two reasons for this, one is of a mixed, cultural/genetic nature, the other one is purely cultural.

The first factor is, of course, the intelligence. Argue as much as you want whether the reason for the above-average intelligence among Ashkenazi Jews is a result of genetic or rather cultural factors. The other reason is purely cultural, and is based on a thing that is alien to most Europeans. Let me illustrate this with an anecdote.

More than 10 years ago, we had an after-conference farewell dinner. Naturally, we were trading stories and observations. A Jewish professor told a story about her nephew, who was, well, let's put it in this way: he wasn't an Einstein. So, "to give him a head start, I employed him in my lab", said the professor. She said it without any shame, without even a trace of a realization that what she did is virtually everywhere (outside Asia and Africa) considered inappropriate. For me, it is completely natural to judge people on their merits alone, and promote/recommend an Indian or a Chinese over a fellow Pole, without any regrets. Jews are much more governed by nepotism and ethnic solidarity, and these translate into additional opportunities for their fellow Jews, not available to members of ethnic groups more concerned about fairness and merits - the basic elements of the academic ethos.
teflcat 5 | 1,035    
10 Mar 2012  #172

Jews are EVERYWHERE

Do you think that the final solution wasn't completed efficiently?
delphiandomine 87 | 15,787    
10 Mar 2012  #173

She said it without any shame, without even a trace of a realization that what she did is virtually everywhere (outside Asia and Africa) considered inappropriate.

Er...have you been in Poland lately, or at all?

For me, it is completely natural to judge people on their merits alone, and promote/recommend an Indian or a Chinese over a fellow Pole, without any regrets.

It might be for you, but it's not that way in Europe.

Jews are much more governed by nepotism and ethnic solidarity, and these translate into additional opportunities for their fellow Jews, not available to members of ethnic groups more concerned about fairness and merits - the basic elements of the academic ethos.

Hahaha. Sorry, but while they might not be so clued up in America, Europeans know all about "looking after one's own".
xzqbq7 2 | 104    
10 Mar 2012  #174

Poles haven't contributed much to academia

Poles haven't contributed to media ownership, that much is true. Therefore they are nazis, collborators, stupid, scum etc.

Point in case: full face restoration surgery in the US. Huge media event, never mentioned Prof. Maria Siemionow nationality.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,787    
11 Mar 2012  #175

Poles haven't contributed to media ownership, that much is true. Therefore they are nazis, collborators, stupid, scum etc.

More paranoia?

Point in case: full face restoration surgery in the US. Huge media event, never mentioned Prof. Maria Siemionow nationality.

What does her nationality have to do with being a great surgeon?
Gruffi_Gummi - | 106    
11 Mar 2012  #176

Delphi, Europe is a big place, and Poland is fairly large too. You definitely can find nepotism in many places in Europe and North America, but academia is supposed to be governed by high ethical standards. People may still do it from time to time, but at least they know that this is wrong. What shocked me during that dinner was the utter disregard even for the appearances. Hiring a relative - business as usual.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,787    
11 Mar 2012  #177

but academia is supposed to be governed by high ethical standards. People may still do it from time to time, but at least they know that this is wrong. What shocked me during that dinner was the utter disregard even for the appearances. Hiring a relative - business as usual.

This is exactly what happens in Poland. It's routine, normal and not seen as "bad" by the vast majority of people here.

Hard to complain about Jewish people doing this when the Poles are at it. It's not just academia, but all walks of professional life.
boletus 30 | 1,367    
11 Mar 2012  #178

This thread needs some brightness, colour and humour. And yes, this post is still on topic:
The Polish National Bank will commemorate Stefan Banach (1892-1945), an internationally renown Polish mathematician of Polish School of Mathematics, by minting three coins of the nominal values 2 zł, 10zł and 200zł, on April 3 2012.

200 złoty coin :
Material: Gold .900, Proof
Size: 27 mm / 15.15g
Mintage: 4.000
Issue Date: April 3rd, 2012

The formula shown on both sides of this coin represents the theses of the Banach's theorem about fixed point: Each narrowing mapping of complete space X into itself has exactly one fixed point. In other words:

∃ 𝜆𝝺< 1 ∀ x ∈ X : d (f(x), f(y)) ≤ 𝝺𝜆 ∙ d(x, y) ⇨∃! p ∈ X : f (p) = p
which is to say:
For some lambda smaller than 1 and for all x from the set X there is: the distance between functions f(x) and f(y) is smaller or equal to lambda times the distance between arguments x and y. This implies that there does not exist p from the set X such that the function f(p) is equal p.

:-)


  • Banach 200 z obverse

  • Banach 200 z reverse
ShawnH 8 | 1,503    
25 Apr 2012  #179

Well it seems that two Poles may have contributed to the solution of one of humanities greatest conundrums.... The discovery of the G-Spot.

The elusive "G-spot" erogenous zone has finally been discovered, at least according to the author of a new study. Dr. Adam Ostrzenski, a researcher at the Institute of Gynecology in St. Petersburg, Fla. says he discovered the anatomic structure other researchers have been unable to find after conducting an autopsy and hopes his research can improve the field of sexual medicine.

The spot has three distinct regions, says Ostrzenski and includes a rope-like vessel structure that appears to be erectile tissue located between layers of the vaginal wall. The discovery came after a dissection of an 83-year-old Polish woman. According to the Los Angeles Times, Poland allows the dissection of human remains soon after death, when fine distinctions in tissue remain easy to see. Ostrzenski's study is published online in the April 25 issue of the Journal of Sexual Medicine.

However, as usual, detractors are discrediting the achievements and contributions of Polish science...

Sexual medicine researcher Dr. Barry Komisaruk, professor of psychology at Rutgers University co-wrote a critical commentary on Ostrzenski's new study that he anticipates will be published in the print issue of the same journal. The commentary sent to HealthPop, which was co-authored by researchers Dr. Emmanuele A. Jannini, of the University of L'Aquila in Italy and Dr. Beverly Whipple, past-director of the International Society for the Study of Women's Sexual Health who coined the term "G-spot" in 1981 , reads, "We submit that the author's claim to have discovered 'the' G-spot does not fulfill the most fundamental scientific criteria."

bsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57420949-10391704/scientist-claims-discovery-of-g-spot-structure-other-experts-unconvinced/
Harry 81 | 13,431    
13 Jun 2014  #180

Polish Catholic - Steven Wozniak invented Apple computers, and the universal remote.

Polish? Since when! He was born in the USA, as were his parents and his grandparents. His father had a Polish father (i.e. both parents Polish) and a mother whose maternal line traces back to Switzerland and paternal line can be traced as US-born back to 1750. His mother had a German (i.e. both parents German) father and a Canadian (i.e. born in Canada with both parents born in Canada) mother. He's just as German and Canadian as he is Polish and far more American than he anything else.




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