The BEST Guide to POLAND
Unanswered  |  Archives 
 
 
User: Guest

Home / History  % width posts: 180

Why have Poles contributed so little to Academics? (Particularly Science)


AlexTheGreat - | 12
17 Oct 2011 #91
These Jews are Poles of Jewish faith nonetheless aren't they? Why distinguish?

Except most Poles didn't consider Jews as fellow Polish neighbors for the majority of Polish history. It's funny how now when Poles have realized all the great accomplishments Jews have made, they then try to say they are their fellow Polish brethren.

EDIT To OP: For all the interest you show in innovations you keep reading wrong material, Daily Mail will never get you up to speed.

Let's take a look at all the Nobel Prize winners in science from Poland. A * indicates they are Jewish.

Georges Charpak*, Physics, 1992
Roald Hoffmann*, Chemistry, 1981
Tadeus Reichstein*, Physiology or Medicine, 1950
Marie Skłodowska-Curie, Chemistry, 1911 + Physics, 1903

As you can see, 3 of the 4 Nobel Prize science winners from Poland are Jewish despite the fact that Jews were a minority.

So much for the theory that ethnic Poles are the smartest people in the world as claimed by many users here such as polskimoc.

Also, Jews account for over 20% of Nobel Prize winners. That is over 200 winners in total while Poland has only been awarded 12 Nobel Prize awards. I'm being generous with the latter too because I'm counting Jews.
BBman - | 344
17 Oct 2011 #92
Except most Poles didn't consider Jews as fellow Polish neighbors for the majority of Polish history

To be fair jews never considered themselves Polish .... or German, French, Spanish, etc. (insert nationality), instead they were (still are) always jewish first.
AlexTheGreat - | 12
17 Oct 2011 #93
To be fair jews never considered themselves Polish .... or German, French, Spanish, etc. (insert nationality),

No, that is not true at all. German Jews were always considered fellow Germans by the majority of non-Jewish Germans.

instead they were (still are) always jewish first.

All of my Jewish friends consider themselves American first. Keep it up with the foolish antisemitism though. It's not rare to hear this sort of ignorant statement from uneducated Poles.
boletus 30 | 1,366
17 Oct 2011 #94
All of my Jewish friends consider themselves American first. Keep it up with the foolish antisemitism though. It's not rare to hear this sort of ignorant statement from uneducated Poles.

In the old fashioned Europe anyone attempting to join a rational conversation supposes to pass first a basic test called "Reading with comprehension". You just failed it awfully. Go back under your rock, you troll!
jadis
17 Oct 2011 #95
It would be advisable to learn the history of your own people first. Only then you can come and preach history to others. Right now you look foolish.

Also, Jews account for over 20% of Nobel Prize winners. That is over 200 winners in total while Poland has only been awarded 12 Nobel Prize awards. I'm being generous with the latter too because I'm counting Jews.

How generous of you. And patronizing.

Keep it up with the foolish antisemitism though. It's not rare to hear this sort of ignorant statement from uneducated Poles.

You certainly know how to make friends.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
17 Oct 2011 #96
Except most Poles didn't consider Jews as fellow Polish neighbors for the majority of Polish history. It's funny how now when Poles have realized all the great accomplishments Jews have made, they then try to say they are their fellow Polish brethren.

It's positively hilarious to watch - the same right wingers (who would never consider Jewish people to be Polish) will turn round and use Jewish accomplishments as "Polish' accomplishments when it suits them.

Hahaha, etc.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
17 Oct 2011 #97
[quote=AlexTheGreat]No, that is not true at all. German Jews were always considered fellow Germans by the majority of non-Jewish Germans.[/q
What rubbish, try to explain that to the family members of Albert Einstein(:
Indeed if Einstein was considered German, which he wasn't by the Germans, he wouldn't have to escape Germany. So in the case of Einstein he achieved despite living in Germany not because of it.
isthatu2 4 | 2,703
17 Oct 2011 #98
Erm, It took Hitler and the Nazis to start forcing German Jews to leave Germany....Polish Jews have flooded out of Poland for at least 200 years.......
jadis
17 Oct 2011 #99
Polish Jews have flooded out of Poland for at least 200 years.......

Polish people flooded out of Poland as well. Due to partitions, uprisings, overpopulation etc etc. So your point is?
ShortHairThug - | 1,103
17 Oct 2011 #100
As you can see, 3 of the 4 Nobel Prize science winners from Poland are Jewish despite the fact that Jews were a minority.

Charpak is listed under France as well so is Curie. Hoffman under Poland, Ukraine and USA, Reichstein, Poland and Switzerland but none of them under Israel. I wonder why?

You have a lot to learn, one third of US winners of this prestigious award were foreign born. Twice as many Chinese received this award while working in US compered to China. Szostak is listed under US and UK where he was born btw but officially a Canadian American with a nice Anglo-Saxon surname to go with, he himself is proud of his Polish heritage yet not listed by Poland. Germany has roughly 20% of their Nobel Prize winners foreign born and Japan counts no foreigners at all among its nine Nobel laureates.

Besides, this award has only been awarded since 1901, is it really some kind of a measuring stick to go by? It just so happens that greatest breakthroughs happen where the money for research is readily available and those are the institutions that attract the brightest of the bright no matter where they are originally from. Centers of learning has shifted westward but it wasn’t always the case. There were many great scientists and inventors throughout the ages who never received this awarded, is their contribution in pursuit of human advancement in all sorts of scientific fields any less significant?

I really find your accusation amusing

Except most Poles didn't consider Jews as fellow Polish neighbors for the majority of Polish history.

. Perhaps you don’t realize it but it is you who has this need to distinguish who is who and you’re doing just that in this thread. What’s the matter? Is the ten that are listed under Israel of whom only four are in what I consider Science (as Peace don’t really count in my book) not enough for you? More confidence in yourself and your people old chap.

On a side note; Charpak while working on his multi-wire proportional chamber with his colleagues, for which he got this award was careless and set on a metal chair while working on it, one day a bit too close so it seems. The work he and his colleagues spent months on carefully attaching thousands of thin wires was ruined when his chair was pulled out from under him by strong electro-magnetic field this device generated right into the chamber itself, tearing apart all the wires and ruining the detector in the process. Now there’s a joke hidden there somewhere so help me out here as I’m not quite sure where should I file it under, a Polish joke, a Jewish one, perhaps French? LOL
boletus 30 | 1,366
17 Oct 2011 #101
29 Competition for Young Scientists of the European Union.
An international jury selected the best projects among 87 projects from 37 countries that have been submitted during the five-day event.

1st Prize: Ireland, Switzerland, Lithuania
2nd Prize: Germany, Great Britain, Bulgaria
3rd Prize: Norway, Poland, Great Britain

On 23-28 September, 130 students presented 87 projects to international competition jury chaired by prof. Ana Maria Viana-Baptista. These were projects that have previously won first prizes in national competitions. Their subject matter covers a broad spectrum of scientific disciplines: biology, chemistry, computer science, social science, environment, mathematics, physics, engineering and medical sciences. The works represent a consistently high standard, and many past participants have achieved major scientific breakthroughs, or set up businesses to market the ideas developed for the Contest.
Jimmu 2 | 157
17 Oct 2011 #102
Because they are a minority

I would say that winners of the Nobel prize are also a minority.
AlexTheGreat - | 12
17 Oct 2011 #103
Charpak is listed under France as well so is Curie. Hoffman under Poland, Ukraine and USA, Reichstein, Poland and Switzerland but none of them under Israel. I wonder why?

What is your point? They were still all Jewish.

You have a lot to learn

No, it is you that has a lot to learn. Jews have contributed the most to science out of any ethnicity in proportion to their population. Get that through your antisemitic Polish supremacist mind.

I would say that winners of the Nobel prize are also a minority.

Geniuses are a minority too, but there sure are a lot of them within the Jewish population.

That isn't the case with the Polish population though. It must be the closed-minded antisemitic Christian view that plagues Poland. No wonder Polish women and east European women in general make up large proportions of strippers, prostitutes, prnographic actresses, etc. They are uneducated and all they can do is use their bodies.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,883
17 Oct 2011 #104
AlexTheGreat wrote:

It must be the closed-minded.......Christian view that plagues Poland.

you might be on to something....
ShortHairThug - | 1,103
17 Oct 2011 #105
Get that through your antisemitic Polish supremacist mind.

Here we go! A Jew once more showing his true colors on this very forum in his usual flamboyant style. Is that all a Mensa candidate of your stature can muster? Two big words thought to him by his Rabbi, used out of context no less? I suppose all one can do is wait till someone of your intellect catches up to the rest of us. What was I thinking? It’s simply too early for any meaningful debate with some representatives of the human race, after all evolution needs to take its sweet time. Don’t despair though, all in due course.
isthatu2 4 | 2,703
18 Oct 2011 #106
No, it is you that has a lot to learn. Jews have contributed the most to science out of any ethnicity in proportion to their population

Bollox, that would be the Scottish. You rascist anti Jockomite!!!!
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
18 Oct 2011 #107
No, it is you that has a lot to learn. Jews have contributed the most to science out of any ethnicity in proportion to their population. Get that through your antisemitic Polish supremacist mind.

Do you have some sort of inferiority complex?
holmes
18 Oct 2011 #108
Here are a couple of links for you to check out to see how important polish scientific contributions have been to development in different fields of academia:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Polish_science_and_technology
info-poland.buffalo.edu/web/pop_people/famous/link.shtml

Poland has an element named after it in the periodic table. Tell me, how many other countries have something like that?

Besides all the above, Poland was sort of the cradle of modern democracy. We may have had kings but they were "democratically" elected and that was before USA even existed.

I also implore you to learn how to use a search engine before you open your mouth again. You're welcome. :)
Ironside 51 | 11,510
18 Oct 2011 #109
.Polish Jews have flooded out of Poland for at least 200 years...

false sentence
Palivec - | 380
18 Oct 2011 #110
Poland has an element named after it in the periodic table. Tell me, how many other countries have something like that?

Oh wow, lol.
And to answer your question: Unites States, France, Germany, AFAIK.

To further strenghten your argument you could count how many elements were discovered by Poles. :D
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
18 Oct 2011 #111
Poland has an element named after it in the periodic table. Tell me, how many other countries have something like that?

Of course, you refer to Polonium, discovered by Marie Skłodowska-Curie...Poland/Polish people have made major contributions in all the arts & sciences.

However, don't make that much of a name...Plutonium is also an element in the periodic table.
RetroDog
18 Oct 2011 #112
Now let's talk about the stupidity of basing any kind of conclusion on the number of Nobel Prize winners.

How specific a Nobel Prize is?
Einstein has only one NP, mainly for photoelectric effect, none for revolutionary Relativity Theory. He postulated a quantum of light in his 1905 article, but it was dismissed ( by Planck and Bohr for example) but in 1919 it was confirmed by experiment.

Do you know what is needed to get NP in physics when you are experimentator? Well, you need theory to be in place, right equipment to be already discovered, money to buy/built this equipment, right timing and a little luck.

example?
in '76 Chung Ting was awarded NP for an experiment from '74. It was a repeat of experiment from '68 (Fermilab, team led by Lederman) just with better detectors . And Lederman actually could have repeated it in twoo different science centers, but he was busy doing other things (unlucky heh).

And Lederman himself was awarded NP in '88, for experiment that was done in '62. Only 26 years later ....
So it's possible that some Poles ( or Polish Jews) will be awarded NP for something they done already. Or maybe never even if they should be.

Now, let's pretend that I'm a complete idiot and I'm buying this way of comparing nations.
So, we are looking at a list. Wait. Four names? 4??!?
You want to make any conclusions based on 4 examples? FOUR?
How stupid is this?
Let's make 4 observations of coin flip: if we get three heads and one tail what conclusion we can make? the probability of getting head is 75%, and for tail it's 25% ??!?

wow
Four observations is insignificant number of observations, any scientists will tell you that, Jew or not Jew.
To make it even more worthless:
there is 4 categories of scientific NP, so in one year the number of observations may be DOUBLED, wich makes any conclusions useless.
Now, how about a criteria of being Polish Jew or Pole.
Well its apparently a combination of having Jews as parents and being born on Polish territory.
There is no Richard Feynman on the list, who was descendand of Polish and Russian Jews, but was born in USA.
So It's really a place of birth thing? How is place of birth related to getting NP?
It's not related. The only thing that is relevant is where they got higher education and who their parents where.
So first of all you have to find all NP winners that are descendants of Polish Jews (Feynman etc.) and descendants of Poles (for example Frank Wilczek, NP in 2008 physics).

And since its more probable to get NP while having higher education on West,( wich is rather obvious, but I may provide reasoning), you should compare numbers of students on Western Universities as a base to compare wich group produced more NP winners.

So, this thread is a showcase of incompetence and stupidity, but thankfully some Poles provided us with a number of Polish scientists, who may not be a NP winners, but contributed to the science anyway ( oh and BTW Nobel does not include prize for maths witch means that whole Polish School of Maths is overlooked)

This post is not to say that Jews or Polish Jews are more stupid than Poles, It's just to show that the metod chosen for comparison is useless and stupid.

I'm really impressed in Jewish contribution in science ( if you understand as a Jew a person with genes from Jews), and the list of NP winners listed as Jews is impressive: Einstein,Bohr,Feynman, Pauli,Haisenberig, Gell-Man , Lederman to name a few. However as probably most of them were/are non believers are it makes them "worse Jews" in the eyes of Jews?

Would Jews be proud of them atheists if they weren't famous?
a.k.
18 Oct 2011 #113
polskimoc.

Christ! That guy couldn't even speak Polish!

It's funny how now when Poles have realized all the great accomplishments Jews have made, they then try to say they are their fellow Polish brethren.

In Polish schools kids learn that there were only 6 Polish winners of Nobel Prize: Maria Curie, Władysław Reymont, Henryk Sienkiewicz, Wisława Szymborska, Czesław Miłosz, Lech Wałęsa. Among them only one person was a scientist. So the statement above by you is simply untrue.

No wonder Polish women and east European women in general make up large proportions of strippers, prostitutes, pûrnographic actresses, etc. They are uneducated and all they can do is use their bodies.

By this statement you've just proved that you are the same kind of breed as user polskimoc. Keep in mind that people who have positive attitude towards Jews, such as me, will remember that proof of hostility from your side. I just hope that it is not what majority of Jews feel toward Poles.
boletus 30 | 1,366
18 Oct 2011 #114
Richard P. Feynman to Tina Levitan, February 7, 1967
Dear Miss Levitan:

Thank you for posting that. My admiration to Richard Feynman has grown even more. His "Lectures on Physics", vol 3, Quantum Mechanics was the first textbook that I have ever enjoyed reading. "You must be kidding, Mr. Feynman!"

Now let's talk about the stupidity of basing any kind of conclusion on the number of Nobel Prize winners.

A very good post, thank you. It brings me back to a Ph.D. thesis of one engineer caster, who begged my mathematician friend to help him with statistical analysis of his experimental data. We had such fun with all six samples he provided. Lucky for him, nobody noticed. To their excuse - they were technology guys, not statisticians! :-)
polmed 1 | 216
18 Oct 2011 #115
Personally, I was trying to keep my contribution to this thread at reasonably low profile - mostly responding to direct attacks from trolls, or expanding on some cases. But unfortunately this cannot be handled this way, because everybody has their own tactics: ranging from complete disregard of trolls, to apologizing, to giving trivial examples.

Boletus, you are so contributing poster and I greately admire your knowledge and appreciate a lot very interesting information given by you on this thread and generally on PF . I am sure that most of the posters have the same opinion . Those trivial examples or quoting Mikołaj Kopernik or Maria Sklodowska as only examples are the most pathetic and prove that they have no knowledge about the subject . Keep posting I read your very informative posts with great pleasure . Thank you ,sir.

Ps

Don`t argue with trolls , don`t feed the trolls .
Seanus 15 | 19,706
21 Oct 2011 #117
Marek, how about it indeed!? :)

Polonthemeds clearly thinks Copernicus was 100% Polish. Columbus was too, you know!? ;)
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
21 Oct 2011 #118
how about cure for cancer

Sadly a cure for cancer is some years away.
Marek11111 9 | 816
21 Oct 2011 #119
no it is not we have it now but the big pharma will not let it happen as the money is in medicating not curing
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
21 Oct 2011 #120
German Jews were always considered fellow Germans by the majority of non-Jewish Germans.

Yes indeed; in fact, they were considered so very German that there was a special holiday set aside for Jews. It was called Kristallnacht.
Later, Germans even offered to give them ovens as gifts - to compliment the bullets.

Polish Jews have flooded out of Poland for at least 200 years.......

.......and yet somehow, up to 3/4 ths of the world's population 200 years ago lived in the 'lands of the Poles'. It is truly an amazing thing that Jews chose to live there because it was so bad. After all, weren't other countries more appealing?


Home / History / Why have Poles contributed so little to Academics? (Particularly Science)
BoldItalic [quote]
 
To post as Guest, enter a temporary username or login and post as a member.