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TheOther 5 | 3,711
5 Jan 2010 #241
...surnames

Oh, okay - misunderstood you.

you must be American

Nope. Sorry for not fitting into your world view... :)
Barney 15 | 1,476
5 Jan 2010 #243
I do think that being freak**ing precise in what and who and when IS important.

It is good to be precise; In English it is the second republic.

If you lost your name get over it, you can change it back or did your ancestors not think it important enough?
nincompoop_not 2 | 192
5 Jan 2010 #244
I havent lost my name:)

Second republic is Pilsusdki

history might be re-written again at one point

seriously - what the commonwealth (so called first republic) has got to do with Pilsduski and second republic (except for a historiacal fact he also wanted Poland to be great?)

between commonwealth and Pilsudski we've had Sobieski, Wisniowiecki before him, and the one who sold us to Catherine - Poniatowski; plus many more idiots
Harry
5 Jan 2010 #245
Every country have criminals and renegades, Poles didn't formed armed unit to support Hitler as many others - read it - Renegades: Hitler's Englishmen by Adrian Weale. :)

And yet another Polish chestnut! Poles were not allowed to form an armed unit to support Hitler (despite some of them wanting to and asking to), instead they had to pretend to be Germanic or Belarussian or Ukrainian and join the respective units for those nations. Which they did in their tens of thousands. A fact we know by the number of them who faced their enemy, and then deserted: 89,300 to the western allies alone (unfortunately the Soviets appear not to have bothered keeping count of the ones who deserted to them). But Poles ignore this force a thousand times larger than the famed Polish squadrons of the RAF and instead focus on a force even smaller: the British Free Corps, a unit which, even counting non-British members and those who joined under the orders of MI5, had a peak membership of 27.
Ironside 50 | 10,934
5 Jan 2010 #246
And yet

Well, Poles should join Germany and kick your ******* arrogant and hypocritical asses, you idiot!
TheOther 5 | 3,711
5 Jan 2010 #247
Well, Poles should join Germany

Too late, WW2 is over ... :)
king polkakamon - | 544
5 Jan 2010 #248
Hitler was very satisfied when polish government rejected his propositions.He had guessed that based on his knowledge of polish character.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
9 Jan 2010 #249
Jews were shipped out of towns to be killed and their property was taken over by Polish squatters.

Where ? When ? You eith have completely no idea what you are talking about or simply follow the holo industry strategy of your tribemen. Do you have any idea what was happening with ownership rights under communism ?
yehudi 1 | 433
10 Jan 2010 #250
Do you have any idea what was happening with ownership rights under communism ?

No idea at all. But just answer this: After the Nazis emptied a town of its Jews, what happened to their homes? Specifically, after the war was over, who moved in, who assumed ownership of the property?
vetala - | 382
10 Jan 2010 #251
My grandparents, expelled from Belarus. I apologize if that's a problem.

Grzegorz_
What is the point of digging up an old post from an old thread just to drag on an old argument resolved long ago?
yehudi 1 | 433
10 Jan 2010 #252
My grandparents, expelled from Belarus. I apologize if that's a problem.

That answers my question to Greg. Poles moved in, and I 'm not passing judgement on people who did that because it's behind us now. All this was a result of the holocaust and the war. But Greg seems to think that no Jews lost property as a result of the holocaust, and that there's no justification for a surviving Jew to reclaim his property.

I apologize

To me? I have no claims anywhere in poland.
Torq
10 Jan 2010 #253
But Greg seems to think that no Jews lost property as a result of the holocaust

I don't think there's anyone who could be that ignorant of the events of WW2
to say such thing.

and that there's no justification for a surviving Jew to reclaim his property.

How could anyone ever claim that there's no justification for an individual to
reclaim his property? I said it many times - the right to ownership of one's
property is one of the mainstays of our civilization. Nobody sane questions that.
1jola 14 | 1,879
10 Jan 2010 #254
But Greg seems to think that no Jews lost property as a result of the holocaust, and that there's no justification for a surviving Jew to reclaim his property.

Jews and Poles lost property during and after the war. They can recover it in some cases. It is a nighmare to do so, but possible. When I did, no one asked me if I were Polish, Jewish, Uki, or German, but rather did I have the documents to prove my case. In the case of Polish Jews, the situation is more complex as they were subject to extermination and whole families were murdered, and if there are some descendants, they lack documents. If they have them or they can find them in official offices, they can try to recover property. It really has nothing to do with ethnicity of the person.

One important point though. There has been a recent push from Jewish organizations to claim lost property with no descendants. They claim that it belongs to Jews in general and they want money to go to some general fund, mainly those organizations. I don't have to ask you what you think of that as I think I know you just a little bit.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
10 Jan 2010 #255
Poles moved in, and I 'm not passing judgement on people who did that because it's behind us now. All this was a result of the holocaust and the war. But Greg seems to think that no Jews lost property as a result of the holocaust, and that there's no justification for a surviving Jew to reclaim his property

This is such a weird issue.

Most Polish Jews, including entire families, were killed during WW2, right?
So did they loose property?

If 60% of Poland's buildings and infrastructure was destroyed during WW2 the property survived, and if those destroyed buildings, belonging to now dead Jews, were subsequently rebuilt/repaired by Poles, should now Poland "return" those properties to Israel (that did not even exists at the time), or to American Jews who couldn't care less about their brethren during WW2? Polish Jews seem to be showing American jews their collective middle finger in that matter.

Should Poland return properties that Jews legally sold BEFORE(!) WW2 and now claim as righfuly theirs? There is a lot of swindle going around in the matter. Much like the Swiss accounts whereby the Swiss paid what American Jews wanted, even though it has been proven that the amounts were greatly exaggerated.

Or should we just move on and not create more reasons for hatred?
1jola 14 | 1,879
10 Jan 2010 #256
"If you don't have that 60 billion, we can loan it to you." :)
Bzibzioh
10 Jan 2010 #257
But Poles ignore this force a thousand times larger than the famed Polish squadrons of the RAF and instead focus on a force even smaller: the British Free Corps, a unit which, even counting non-British members and those who joined under the orders of MI5, had a peak membership of 27.

Yet another ignorant post of our dear Harry. Do you spend a lot of time inventing those or you have them in some ready-to-use booklet? So now we have just 27 Poles and a few pilots fighting against Germans during WW2. Something else equally creative you'd like to share with PF, dear? Don’t let us cramp your style.
jonni 16 | 2,485
10 Jan 2010 #258
So now we have just 27 Poles

Read his post correctly before spouting rubbish. There's nothing about 27 Poles.
Bzibzioh
10 Jan 2010 #259
Read his post correctly before spouting rubbish.

I know that Harry is your buddy and you want be loyal but he's the one spouting rubbish.
jonni 16 | 2,485
10 Jan 2010 #260
I know him slightly and think he's one of the good guys, but that's not the point. You should really read a post carefully before writing nonsense.

The "27 Poles" you talk about were not Polish, nor has anybody in the whole of human history (except you) ever suggested they were. You are jumping to pointless and false conclusions.

Read the post again. Carefully. Then admit your mistake.
Bzibzioh
10 Jan 2010 #261
The "27 Poles" you talk about were not Polish, nor has anybody in the whole of human history (except you) ever suggested they were. You are jumping to pointless and false conclusions.

It was not about 27 Poles. He "just" suggested that Poles given a chance would have joined Hitler voluntarily and in thousands.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,457
10 Jan 2010 #262
Taliban are Jews (probably)
(sorrydidn'tknowwheretopostthat)

jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1262339436797&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Isn't that interesting!

Are the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan descendants of an Israelite tribe that migrated across Asia after it was exiled over 2,700 years ago? ....

....
I also hope that such effort will have positive ramifications and will bring the Muslims and Jews close and enable them to forget historical animosity," Navras wrote.

;)
jonni 16 | 2,485
10 Jan 2010 #263
You say this:

So now we have just 27 Poles

and this:

It was not about 27 Poles.

At least one must be bullshyt.
Bzibzioh
10 Jan 2010 #264
Isn't that interesting!

Bratwurtski, piłeś again!

This is free bashing Poland thread!!!!

;)

jonni

Now I'm going to advise you to read my last post carefully.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,457
10 Jan 2010 #265
Bratwurtski, piłeś again!

This is free bashing Poland thread!!!!

Damn
*slinks back into corner*
1jola 14 | 1,879
10 Jan 2010 #266
Harry was talking about the British Frei Corps - Waffen SS

...and there were 59. He is relying on wiki which is incorrect.
Bzibzioh
10 Jan 2010 #267
Damn
*slinks back into corner*

Don't be shy; I'm sure you can add something :)

Harry was talking about the British Frei Corps - Waffen SS

I don't care about British Corps. I got pissed with this statement.

Poles were not allowed to form an armed unit to support Hitler (despite some of them wanting to and asking to), instead they had to pretend to be Germanic or Belarussian or Ukrainian and join the respective units for those nations. Which they did in their tens of thousands.

1jola 14 | 1,879
10 Jan 2010 #268
He is full of it. The German's attempt to form a Polish Waffen SS unit failed miserably. Harry's knowledge is limited what he can read on Wikipedia. I wouldn't worry too much about him. He manipulates facts and when you engage him he changes the focus, a rather weak opponent. Hi, Harry.
Bzibzioh
10 Jan 2010 #269
The German's attempt to form a Polish Waffen SS unit failed miserably.

But - according to Harry - Poles wanted to!!! But, poor poopsies, couldn't. What a shame.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,457
10 Jan 2010 #270
The German's attempt to for a Polish Waffen SS unit failed miserably.

It's all a matter of interpretation really!

Fact 1) There was never a try to form a polish Waffen-SS, as Poland also was never allowed to govern themselves or to collaborate in other form as other occupied countries.

Fact 2) Former polish citizens (Volksdeutsche or curious now-not-anymore-Poles ) were tried to bring into line with differing success.

But - according to Harry - Poles wanted to!!! But, poor poopsies, couldn't. What a shame.

Remember, even Russians fighted alongside the german troops (Vlassov army).

feldgrau.com/rvol.html


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