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Have Poles blood on their hands? :)


Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,423
12 Jan 2010 #391
Here's the description for the document's source:

Thank you!

Hmmm...the Brits say it's a record of one of Hitlers speeches...and this saying it's an english translation...I wonder....it seems it's from second or third degree hear say...would like to see this L-3 document!

Update: Found it!
cwporter.com/gl3.htm

Very interesting!
kith 1 | 72
12 Jan 2010 #392
Should we exterminate or build things up, should the work be created here or in the Reich, should we give up workers or keep them here, should we let the Poles starve or should we feed them?

So, they considered exterminating them. They did exterminate some, many. That's what I've been trying to say.

Harry, do you agree with me? I'm just trying to talk about what happened. Please don't be so angry.
TheOther 5 | 3,711
12 Jan 2010 #393
Update: Found it!

That's all very vague. Quotes:

"The documents used in evidence at Nuremberg consisted largely of "photocopies" of "copies". Many of these original documents were written entirely on plain paper without handwritten markings of any kind, by unknown persons."

"The document appears to have been prepared on the same typewriter as many other Nuremberg documents"
kith 1 | 72
12 Jan 2010 #394
Update: Found it!...

You found it! If you go to the very bottom of the page, you can click on a link that translates it.

TheOther: You're starting to sound like one of those Neo-Nazi Holocaust denials.
TheOther 5 | 3,711
12 Jan 2010 #395
You're starting to sound like one of those Neo-Nazi Holocaust denials

You want to insult me? I was just quoting the remarks on the web site that BB posted. Besides: you are talking about questioning history here all the time, so why not question the accuracy of the allied version of history as well? Like "The USA liberated Europe" for example... ;)
kith 1 | 72
12 Jan 2010 #396
Oh, Gosh, TheOther, I was just remarking that that's what it seemed like. Anyway, the ALLIES helped to liberate Europe (and let's not forget about Asia). They all worked together.

You know, someone sent me an email recently about the American war cemeteries overseas. I'll try to find that. I'm running out of computer time for today, so I may have to post it tomorrow. It was a very moving group of photographs about the thousands upons thousands of dead US service men of WWII. Very touching.

Still waiting to hear something from Harry.
Ironside 50 | 10,902
12 Jan 2010 #397
Still waiting to hear something from Harry.

don't waste your time on him ...all you gonna hear from Harry is neatly presented bs.
TheOther 5 | 3,711
12 Jan 2010 #398
I was just remarking that that's what it seemed like

No worries.
kith 1 | 72
12 Jan 2010 #399
don't waste your time on him ...all you gonna hear from Harry is neatly presented bs.

Well, THAT sucks. I hate to think of a person as a lost cause, but I know that you just can't reach some people. You really, really try. You truly want to help a person break away from the Sheeple, but they just want to go through life with blindfolds on. It's sad. I'm gonna keep trying, though. I think there might be a drop of hope for him. I really hope so.
Easy_Terran 3 | 312
12 Jan 2010 #400
So Har,

when will you start educating other peeps that the Bielskis were Polish?

Polish filth who betrayed the Poles and Poland.
Polish filth who has been betraying the Poles ever since - vide baby Aaron.

?
1jola 14 | 1,879
12 Jan 2010 #401
It seems that you guys tried to quote the famous Armenian Quote. It has been called the Armenian quote but it should be called the Polish quote. It is contested because the Turks and the Armenians disagree:

Hitler speaking:

Our strength is our quickness and our brutality. Genghis Khan had millions of women and children hunted down and killed, deliberately and with a gay heart. History sees in him only the great founder of States. What the weak Western European civilization alleges about me, does not matter. [...]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_quote
kith 1 | 72
12 Jan 2010 #402
It seems that you guys tried to quote the famous Armenian Quote. It has been called the Armenian quote but it should be called the Polish quote. It is contested because the Turks and the Armenians disagree:

Yeah, but Turkey was allied with Germany, Italy and Japan. Just as there are Neo-Nazis who deny the Holocaust, there are Turks who deny the genocide. The Japanese don't admit their role in WWII, either.
yehudi 1 | 433
12 Jan 2010 #403
it's wrong to say that Poles were just 'war casualties' the same way the British or the French or the Americans were.

Of course it was much harder for Poles and Russians than for Americans or British because that's where the fighting was. And the german occupation was far more brutal to Poles than to the french. (And unlike France, Poland didn't have a collaborationist government). But my point is to explain that the Jews were not war casualties, but murder victims. And that's why Jews jump whenever we're told that not only Jews were killed.

But you Jews totally hijacked the history of WWII. WWII is associated with the Holokaust only.
Period.

It shouldn't be. That's an impression I'm trying to correct here. WWII was one catastrophe and the holocaust was another. The effects they had on each other are many and complex.
time means 5 | 1,310
12 Jan 2010 #404
or British because that's where the fighting was.

So being bombed doesn't count?
kith 1 | 72
12 Jan 2010 #405
But my point is to explain that the Jews were not war casualties, but murder victims. And that's why Jews jump whenever we're told that not only Jews were killed.

See, that's where I have to disagree. I mean, murder is murder. The Nazis didn't like Poles. They wanted to exterminate them. The Nazis most certainly wanted to exterminate all Jews. They did exterminate a whole lot. But, they exterminated others. I guess I just object to you setting up classifications . . . if that makes sense. Death is death. I dont' think that you should "jump" whenever you're told that not only Jews were killed. Lots of people were slaughtered. Why classify and then imply one was worse than another? Does that make sense? I mean, a murder of a Jewish person is unacceptable, but not more so than the murder of a Gypsy.

Thanks for keeping this civil. I'm still holding out hope for Harry. Gotta jump in the shower, then I have to leave in about a half hour. I've enjoyed talking to you all (except Harry, but he'll come around. I'm sending him Reiki love. That's not a joke, not sarcasm. I really am doing that).
1jola 14 | 1,879
12 Jan 2010 #406
And that's why Jews jump whenever we're told that not only Jews were killed.

Oh. please, Yehudi, in Poland we know very well that Jews were murdered en masse. Anyone can verify that by talking to the old folks. Poles were killed also. I'm not sure what the contention would be. But yes, Jewish Poles were targeted for extermination after 1942 where Poles were not.

BTW, I'm going to Luxor this year, and I will not be taking in the mud I was hoping for. Perhaps next year in Jerusalem! Would you meet me and my wife?
time means 5 | 1,310
12 Jan 2010 #407
I'm sending him Reiki love

Lmao, i am sure he will be thrilled.
jonni 16 | 2,485
12 Jan 2010 #408
The problem with this thread is the title. Have Poles (in general) got blood on their hands? No, no nation has. Have some Poles done dirty deeds? Of course, this isn't in doubt. No single nationality of any size is made up 100% of angels.
1jola 14 | 1,879
12 Jan 2010 #409
Jonni,
I have tried to tell the mods to discourage thread tittles like this one. They are too tolerant. On one hand, we can talk about what we want, then on the other, the site looks foolish.

The mods should be aware of flaming thread tittles.
jonni 16 | 2,485
12 Jan 2010 #410
I have tried to tell the mods to discourage thread tittles like this one

I agree. It doesn't do justice to this forum. Or move intelligent discussion about Poland forward.
1jola 14 | 1,879
12 Jan 2010 #411
Intelligent discussionn is always an option.
Trevek 26 | 1,702
13 Jan 2010 #412
It was a very moving group of photographs about the thousands upons thousands of dead US service men of WWII.

and don't forget WW1, where the intervention of US led to a speedier defeat of the axis powers and the re-establishment of a Polish state.
McCoy 27 | 1,269
13 Jan 2010 #413
Polish soldiers of Wehrmacht

my cousin is writing a book about Polish soldiers from 1st Polish Armoured Division who were Wermacht soldiers before.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,423
13 Jan 2010 #414
and don't forget WW1, where the intervention of US led to a speedier defeat of the axis powers and the re-establishment of a Polish state.

Well, historians say that without the meddling of the US Germany would had won the great war...hence no WWII, no Nazis, no Holocaust, no Hitler....so yes, let's not forget the US in this!

(but at least Poland was re-established and that's the main thing, isn't it!)

my cousin is writing a book about Polish soldiers from 1st Polish Armoured Division who were Wermacht soldiers before.

Should be interesting as there were no Poles in the Wehrmacht....
Trevek 26 | 1,702
13 Jan 2010 #415
Well, historians say that without the meddling of the US Germany would had won the great war...

Some say that it was also possible that they could have lost without US but the US entry sped the process up (still took about 9 months)

(but at least Poland was re-established and that's the main thing, isn't it!)

Yep, so Germans could have cheap holidays.
McCoy 27 | 1,269
13 Jan 2010 #416
Should be interesting as there were no Poles in the Wehrmacht....

learn polish and ill send you some interviews with the veterans. one of em was in Rommels Panzer Division.

wehrmacht-polacy.pl

Site is dedicated to the fate of hundreds of thousands of Poles who during World War II were forced to join the ranks of the German army - Wehrmacht so as to ground forces - Heer, aviation - Luftwaffe, the Navy - Kriegsmarine and other branches of the military and paramilitary.

Site focuses on those Polish nationality and citizenship, who after incorporation into the Third Reich their native lands - mainly Silesia, Greater Poland and Pomerania - a result of various factors, especially the signing under duress the volkslist, involuntarily found themselves in a German uniform on the fronts of World War II and had to fight and die in the name of German interests, wherever there was war: Russia and the Eastern Front,, in France, the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany, Italy, Scandinavia, the Balkans, Crete, North Africa and on the seas, as crews ...

historycy.org/index.php?s=8b9bf18795044405d655bbff2169309c&showtopic=1016&st=0
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,423
13 Jan 2010 #417
learn polish and ill send you some interviews with the veterans. one of em was in Rommels Panzer Division.

Doesn't matter...there were no Poles in the Wehrmacht as the Wehrmacht was the official forces of Germany.
They were german nationals, or Volksdeutsche....get that into your thick head!

Just a question: In another thread you seem to be proud that Poles never forgot their "polishness" even during the partitions living officially as Prussians, Russians or Austrians.

Do you really believe it was different with the millions of Germans who found themselves now in new-Poland???
McCoy 27 | 1,269
13 Jan 2010 #418
just dont try to indroduce me to your gerrie vision on history. its worthless crap

Do you really believe it was different with the millions of Germans who found themselves now in new-Poland???

there are 153 000 people with polish citizenship that consider themself german ( for me they can all fcuk off to kraut reich as their hommies did before ).
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,423
13 Jan 2010 #419
just dont try to indroduce me to your gerrie vision on history. its worthless crap

The unconvenient truth hurts, ne? ;)

(I really hope your cousin is more brainy or he will be the reason for some more polish jokes...)
McCoy 27 | 1,269
13 Jan 2010 #420
The unconvenient truth hurts, ne?

youre the person to tell. does it? (:


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