Pole, Hungarian, two good friends

and again ;)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole%2C_Hungarian%2C_two_good_friends

Some interesting animations made by a Pole and a Hungarian.

(2:06 ... part about Poland) ;)



I have heard that square in Budapest will have name of Polish heroes

As someone with both Polish and Hungarian ancestry, I am delighted to see "my" two peoples have such a close historic link of friendship and cooperation.

This also raises issues such as the future of Poland's relationship with Romania, or Hungary's relationship with Russia. This could unfortunately be viewed as a "bias" by the international community.

I remember football qualifier some years ago between Poland and Hungary in Budapest. Polish crowd of some thousands had this huge banner saying "Poles and Hungarians two brothers to fight and drink together" - lots of cheering for both sides in this game.

I have interesting website

electronicmuseum.ca/Poland-Hungary/poland_hungary.html

Luk, i said many times that Hungarians are Slavs by origin. That is well known historic fact.

On the territory of today`s Hungary was core of old Great Moravia. Before that, region was part of Sarmatia Europae. I would also underline that Hungary is positioned in Panonia. Word Panonia = Zemlja Pana/Panova Zemlja (land of masters), coming from Polish word `Pan` and suggests that Panonia as area was under influance of Polish language or to say, old Slavic warlords from Polish speaking area.

But, those Slavs are spiritualy hungarized, with tendency to be germanized. From my expiriance with Hungarians (from Voivodina/northern Serbian province), they are, among themselves strongly racialy divided. Blond and brown haired/eyed (Europoids) Hungarians consider black haired (Hun eyes looking) as true Hungarians. More or less, they (Europoid Hun.) are aware that they originates from assimilated Slavs but it is `public secret` which they tries to avoid to comment- its taboo.

Hun (black) looking Hungarians, don`t like to mix with Slavs (nor Slavs with them- Serbs and Slovaks, speaking about Voivodina) but they like to mix with blond or brown Hungarians. They are proud with Atila and they consider themselves as bearers of true Hungarian heritage.

In general, there is much more Slavic looking Hungarians then those who are Hun looking. About 85:15 %, in my oppinion.

In my oppinion, in different historical circumstances, Slavic looking Hungarian population would be proud Slavic, again. In world without German domination.

Crow, when will you get it through your skull that JUST BECAUSE POLES AND SERBS ARE BOTH SLAVS, DOES NOT MAKE US THE EXACT SAME PEOPLE.

Genetic origin proves nothing about a group of people except where the came from.

Yes, Poles are slavs.

Yes, Serbs are slavs.

No, Poles and Serbs are not the same. We are 2 completely different groups of people with a few similarities. There will never be another Yugoslavia. Get over it and get on with your life man.

Croats and Bosniacs were Slavs...didnt stop the serb murder gangs......

what`s wrong with you man?

you aren`t capable for civil discussion or what?

Nothing, why?


I am. Maybe you're just not ready to hear my opinion.

I have hearrd that Hungarians have a lot of Slavic blood, all in all they are surounded by Slavic nations. I don't think that Polish-Hungarian realtions are based on racial motives, there are much more similar nations to us in our region ...

what are Serbs - Hungarians relations Crow ?

Listen. You can start immidiately to claim that you are Martian (or if somebody impose that idea on you). Its OK with me (or i can pretend that its OK).

I don`t give a sh** if you are Martian but, don`t complaint if i note that you was Earthling.

Then, if you accept to be Martian its OK with me, as long as you don`t try to force me to become Martian, same as you.

Note- your Martian status becoming problem for me if we share history and you, suddenly, considering that you are now Martian, start to denied my existance, my heritage,... claiming that, my, your, our- heritage was in fact always Martian heritage.

Does that refer to your belief that Germans impose upon everything?


I'm not forcing you to be anything crow. I just dislike how you claim that Serbs are the same as Poles. There are too many differences among the 2 peoples.


WTF are you talking about? Just fill in "martian" and "earthling" with Pole, Serb, and German please, so I can understand what you are trying to say.

sure. I just gave comment on one aspect of Polish-Hungarian relations.

Also is fact that majority of Hungarians (same as Poles) are Catholics. That is also one more reason for connections- one more aspect of it.

I think I get the jist of what you are trying to say.

You think I am trying to deny your people, Serbs, are in any way or form similar to Poles.

Am I right?

I don't think it is about religion, simple in part of our history we had common interests and then good realtions started

everybody started to moan about Crow. I know that sometimes his Slavic passion is fanatic :) I think he is interesting personality and I like his posts :)

Не отказывайся Crow ;)

I think it wouldn't be ok If we had only Anglo-Saxon boot lickers on this forum :)

Poland is place where West mets East :)

We can agree that there is Polish and Serbian nation. It would be politicaly correct.

But, what are Polish and Serbian nations in reality?

Our nations are in fact great conglomerates of old Slavic tribes.

Polish national name suggests conclusion that critical mass of old Slavic tribes on the territory of today`s Poland lived depending on agriculture. Due different historical circumstances, Polish national name was extracted but memory on Sarmatian past was preserved.

Situation with Serbian national name is a little bit different. It saems that for some historical reasons, Slavic tribes which lived on the territory of today`s Serbia (and Lusatia, etc.) preserved Sarmatian name in its original (as, if) form.

But, as i said, all Slavic nations are just great conglomerates of old Slavic tribes/clans. That`s why Slavs are so connected even when our national (political) beings are on opposite sides. Simply, no matter all defferences (imposed on us or not), Slavs tend to be just Slavs or to say Sarmatians, no more, no less. Methaphiscaly, Slavs can`t accept national and territorial borders between them.

Such a behavior isn`t politicaly correct, of course and, is consider to be barbaric- as always.

All people living today, in fact, stem from the same group of early african hominids, so everyone alive today comes from the same clan.

Our genetic history has nothing to do with our customs, beliefs, country of origin, etc. Just because we come from the same denomination of people does not mean we are the same. Poles and Serbs are very different, just like Poles and Germans are, and any other groups of people alive today.

Have you ever been to different slavic country than Poland ?

sure

but, we know- Slavs are Slavs and they have their resources. We-Slavs can share it, trade, but remember- those are Slavic resources. We- Slavs control it, we won it, God gave us our land and beautiful woman.

I have visited Russia and Lithuania for a few weeks each.

I liked to read, however, and have read countless books about other countries and have friends from all over the world.

I agree that Poles and Serbs, or any other Slavs for that matter, seem to be very similar because there have been only recent divisions (in relative history) among the slavic people, but we are very different indeed.

Poles celebrate things differently than Bulgarians, Serbs view the west differently than Czechs, etc.

We all have our differences. I look like my father, but does that make me a complete copy of him? Physically we are similar, but does that mean we are equals mentally?

By the way, there is a chance I will be visiting eastern europe this summer, and one of the destinations would be Hungary. I look forward to being able to go.

:]

Russia didnt seem too keen on sharing the wealth with its Slavic brothers when it arranged the Baltic gas pipeline to Germany despite the fact that it would cost a third to build it through Poland.

Was it maybe because opting for an underwater rather than a land route will enable Gazprom to cut off supplies to Poland without hurting its Western European customers?

Hmm, surely not. Russia loves her Slavic brothers.

It is because we were talking good to our partners form EU and NATO ... If we were talking good to Russians we would have this pipe line in Poland. It seems that our partners talk about loyality only when it comes to contacts with US ...

I think Crow is right in many points .

interesing

same oppinion, St. Sava (Rastko Nemanjic), in his time, mentioned for Serbians

Hm, I would remind you brate that Serbian Nemanjic house was ancestral house of Polish Jadwiga house.

BDW Luk, did you know that crucial Hungarian nobility originates from Serbs?

I don't know Serbian Hungarian relations (I feel they are not so good as PL-HUN ;) )

There is no necesity for irony, from Pole to a Serb. Serbs knows truth and don`t hesitate to speak truth. You should know that.

We all very well know that Russians as brothers are OK but that Russian elite can be very idiotic from time to time.

I think, Serbian inteligentsia can fix it. Believe in Serbs. We used to change things.

Polish elite is sometimes selfish and idiotic, too. Just, see that Tusk. Absolute moron.

It should also be fixed

heheheh Crow is Crow :P

Don't worry Crow 60% of our energy comes form Coal ... we have deposits for next 230 years (new researches) so now we must use some new technologies to make it better for enviroment ;) and we have calm life

heheheh, it wasn`t Crow but Gavrilo Princip. Princip because of freedom princip

what you think, who `changed` archduke Ferdinand? Who initiated liberation of Slavs from Austro-Hungarian and Turkish rule? Who now `changing` NATO and EU?

Crow first thing Serbia and Poland should do it to become richer :), Poland is richer and richer, I don't know how it is with Serbia ... later we will change world ;) now we should be calm (both Serbia and Poland are not calm ;) ) and work on our economies.