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Weapons of WWII (Poland and other countries)


Bartolome 2 | 1,085
24 Oct 2009 #181
Dunkirk in '41.

There was no Dunkirk '41. Perhaps you mean Dunkirk '40, but definitely not '41. In '41 all what was going on in Dunkirk was the 'Allo, allo'. Then Dieppe in '42, and afterwards return to the 'Allo, allo'.
OP Wroclaw Boy
24 Oct 2009 #182
I'm in a funky mood....wanna fight???

Come on then, lets rumble.

Well...and they being forced to sign the armistice in the same place where they sowed the wind was a payback of historic proportions! ;)

A temporary contract no less.

Better Brits hold their feet still when serious warrior nations talk...

Where were you from the 1600's right up unitll 1910???? Still milking cows i expect, the industrial revolution (which made Germany) was copied from Britian. Hitler was a jeleous copy cat.
wildrover 98 | 4,451
24 Oct 2009 #183
Lets hear it for the U BOATS.....an awesome weapon at the start of the war , the only one that Churchill admitted to being very worried about....In the later years of the war they continued to go to sea , knowing they were unlikely to return home....Most of the men who served on u boats...died on them...
scrappleton - | 830
24 Oct 2009 #184
Britian went to war against Argentina in 1981 imagine us killing women and children

You are under the impression you didn't kill innocents in the Falklands? It's well documented your frequent bombing killed thousands of French civilians. See the problem here is you're an arrogant Pommie. Who proves weekly on here you don't have much grasp of reality.

We were fighting the greatest army ever formed in the Wermcht - alone!! No Russia no USA, you only came in after Hitler had been defeated at Stalingrad. In war terms kind of like stomping on a guys head after hes already on the ground

Uhhh.. for the 400th time.. WE DON'T LIVE IN OR NEAR EUROPE. You let Hitler come to power.. and then declared war on himwhen he wasn't really threatening you. Maybe you should have thought before you lept. And I think "fighting" would be a subjective term as you lost almost every ground battle you fought against the Germans.

the American killing's of innocent women and children was less than 40 years ago,

Dresden wasn't centuries ago.. and GB led that expedition. BTW: You're welcome you're not wearing lederhosen. Yeah I'm pretty sure it was your drunk PM he came a calling for money on Penn Ave. What a proud aristocrat he was. Roosevelt probably had to hide the key to the liquor cabinent.

We do indeed you puss!es went running to the French, Spanish, Dutch and god knows who else for help.

Spanish? French gave us ships, History Boy. Dutch didn't really loan money until we'd won a few decisive battles. Your inept generals did the rest for us. You had the numbers and tech but were decidedly beaten by farm boys and blacksmiths. Kind of like your as.s wipe arguments, no?

Today you're still paying money to your "crown" being a country of lackeys being over run by 3rd world lackeys. What's more, I guess it's fitting that queen is of German stock as they are the new lords of your manor it would seem. Go on and keep criticizing the US.. Whatever gets you through the night. Just keep the f.ucking alms cup from our door please.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
24 Oct 2009 #185
You are under the impression you didn't kill innocents in the Falklands?

History is under the same impression, there was little collateral damage since Falklands are inhabited mainly by sheep and grass:)

It's well documented your frequent bombing killed thousands of French civilians

If you're referring to WW2 the most destructive bombings of France were done by USAF not by RAF :)))

Dresden wasn't centuries ago..

I daresay killing German civilians during WW2 was justified given that they supported concentration camps and all that.

Spanish? French gave us ships,

No, French gave you a fleet which you didnt have, they gave you artillery which you didnt have, Spanish and French armies contributed between them over 21.000 regular soldiers when US army numbered 27.000, without French and Spanish there wouldnt even be a war :)))
scrappleton - | 830
24 Oct 2009 #186
I daresay

You daresay? LOL!! Well look who graces with me with his countenance, the esteemed Professor! Sorry, I think I will honor (oh excuse me, honour, as you are an anglophile) our agreement. Besides as I've asserted to you already, your nation had surrendered and was catching butterflies in England during most of WWII.

Leave talk of warriors and war to countries who can call themselves such.

BTW: One can not justify Dresden and call other countries cruel in the same breath w/o looking stupid.

Congrats to you professor.
jonni 16 | 2,485
24 Oct 2009 #187
You are under the impression you didn't kill innocents in the Falklands?

I think 5, in a friendly fire accident. Pales into insignificance compared to the wiomen and children deliberately burnt to death with napalm by the Amerivcans in Vietnam. Plus the other atrocities causing them to hide from the ICC.
scrappleton - | 830
24 Oct 2009 #188
They don't

Bratwurst Boy:
What triumph? What was achieved with that?


Wroclaw Boy:

It killed German civilians and levelled a city, put Hitlers Reich in terror distance of the Allies reep what you sow and all that. A demorolising inpact on the German nationals morale, a major victory for the allies. A little bit of pay back basically.

:-( .. Look on page 5 of this thread.
OP Wroclaw Boy
24 Oct 2009 #189
You are under the impression you didn't kill innocents in the Falklands? It's well documented your frequent bombing killed thousands of French civilians. See the problem here is you're an arrogant Pommie. Who proves weekly on here you don't have much grasp of reality.

Bombing civilians as apposed to close up killing with a gun (Vietnam) women and children are two totally different concepts and if bombing is your angle who has the US bombed in the last 60 yeras?? humm lets think, Japan two nukes, Vietnam, thousands of Napalms and incendiniarys. Libya etc.. what a twat.

Uhhh.. for the 400th time.. WE DON'T LIVE IN OR NEAR EUROPE. You let Hitler come to power.. and then declared war on him when he wasn't really threatening you. Maybe you should have thought before you lept. And I think "fighting" would be a subjective term as you lost almost every ground battle you fought against the Germans.

For the 500th time America only came to war.

One: after Hitler had been defeated they were sure to win.
Two: to get rich

Some say Vietnam was all about the US getting righ too.

Dresden wasn't centuries ago.. and GB led that expedition.

Eisenhower was commander in chief, nothing went ahead without his approvel. Dummy

You had the numbers and tech but were decidedly beaten by farm boys and blacksmiths.

Well we were fighting the Dutch, french and Spanish at the time. You were beaten by a bunch of pyjama wearing, straw hatted short dudes with a AK's in the 1960's which is worse? The US had over whelming fire power in the air, sea and land - by a long shot and still lost. These guys werent even blacksmiths - most were rice farmers, laughing my head off, what a fighting force the US was and indeed are. Not too smart are yah.

Kind of like your as.s wipe arguments, no?

I dont think so, my man....
jonni 16 | 2,485
24 Oct 2009 #190
:-( .. Look on page 5 of this thread.

I re-read page 5 and don't see any reference to a modern-day British gov't justifying civillian deaths in Dresden.

Only a link to a wikipedia article which, inter alia, mentions the extreme unease in Britain about the bombings.

Vietnamese were not deliberately targetted.

At Mai Lai? Women and children were chased, cornered, aimed at, and shot by gunmen. That was deliberate. And not unique.
TheOther 5 | 3,873
24 Oct 2009 #191
I daresay killing German civilians during WW2 was justified given that they supported concentration camps and all that

They couldn't "support" concentration camps simply because most Germans weren't even aware of them. Not so sure about the "all that" though...
scrappleton - | 830
24 Oct 2009 #192
That was deliberate

That was an aberration and yes it was unique. My father fought in the war, I know. You are a Euro clown reading force fed antiamerican propaganda. Then again, it appears none of it was forced maybe. Vietnam was wrong.. Few if any Americans will dispute that. However, for modern Europeans to wag their fingers in an american's face.. that's just laughable.

How are you going to deal with Germany? Why would you deal with them?

Converse with them? Why would we want to have relations with them? They are fast becoming a superpower, they are currently building factories as are the Japanese.

You know your people have such big mouths and egos, I wonder how long it will be until you hurt relations with Germany. Do you honestly think they've forgotten Dresden? Your empire is long gone.. who will save you then? Maybe you can go beat up some Falkland islanders again. Wheeeee!
OP Wroclaw Boy
24 Oct 2009 #193
They are fast becoming a superpower, they are currently building factories as are the Japanese.

IN that case theyll be dealing with China, fast cookies the Germans, why waste time with crooked economies and has beens like the US? you said it yourself, but you didnt mention China you said Japan, what the fcuk world are you living in??

The fact that you mentioned JAPAN springs Nagaski and the other one you nuked to mind, Dresden is a walk in the park compared to Nuking two cities. As i mentioned before but you failed to mention in this post EISENHOWER was commander in chief of all allied forces, he had the final say in Dresden as he did in all other main offensive European manouvers, WTF - dick head.

How jealous is America of the EU?
scrappleton - | 830
24 Oct 2009 #194
Do you think the number of factories that a country has is a solid measure of it having superpower status?

?? Ahhh.. never asserted that. Your British pal asked me about German/US relations. Do try and keep up, old man. :- (

Factories, Scrappy?

BMW is in South Carolina. Volkswagen is in planning one in Tennesee. (shrugs, I thought you knew everything, Seanus) Yes manufacturing is important. I took quite a bit of economics, I think I know. I didn't spend the 90's doing ecstacy in some smelly british discotecque.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
24 Oct 2009 #195
They couldn't "support" concentration camps simply because most Germans weren't even aware of them. Not so sure about the "all that" though...

They knew allright, they didnt know the specifics but they had the general idea, in my opinion directly after WW2 every member of German military and political structures, male or female above 16 years old should have been executed, every civilian above 16 sterilised and the survivors made into a landlocked farming country, German people should have paid with their lives for what they did, they got off much too easy and now its too late since the fvckers grew old and mostly died, one of them got to be the pope even.

How jealous is America of the EU?

Actually they're quite a bit threatened by us, personally i think thats why books like "the next 100 years" spring up, they reflect how afraid US is of EU emerging into some effective structure.
Tymoteusz 2 | 353
24 Oct 2009 #196
I'm not justifying the nuking of those cities.

I am. I can also justify firebombing Tokyo. The raids on Tokyo killed more people than both nukes did. Funny how we chose the nuke argument just because it has a stronger emotional effect. We should ask some Chinese how they feel about it.....

Fast forward 65 years: My baby sister (speaks Japanese fluently) studied in Japan in her last year of college and I drive a Toyota.

Fun Fact: I have laid hands on an aircraft named "Bockscar"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bockscar

Christ, they're Europeans

Yeah, They're wound pretty tight bro! We all have different perspectives. I like to think that when they pick on us they are leaving someone else alone. Still love 'em though.
scrappleton - | 830
24 Oct 2009 #197
Still love 'em though.

Have you been there? They look at you as if you've sh.t your pants. Hey, I'm serious make them pay for all the security we provided since they hate us so much. Guess who had to foot the bill for all of that? We did. What would they do if we demanded if from them? They wouldn't fight us , you know that.
TheOther 5 | 3,873
25 Oct 2009 #198
German people should have paid

Are you on one of your German hating trips again? :)
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
25 Oct 2009 #199
I dont hate i just believe in eye for an eye rather then turning your cheek, if it was up to me and sadly it was not any and every German directly or indirectly into all things Nazi related would have been marched off to the edge of a mass grave and shot the moment the war was over, we would not get Erica Steinbach and her merry nazi bunch among other things presently.

They look at you as if you've sh.t your pants.

You know Scrappleton, you could make yourself unwelcome in a paradise, you act like an absolute idiot whenever you post, if one is to assume you're equally retarded in real life its no wonder people treat you like sh*t.
scrappleton - | 830
25 Oct 2009 #200
wonder people treat you like sh*t.

Well, Europeans do. Like I said, I think it's funny. I just don't understand why we give you things, protection etc. Pathetic clowns you are. However the EU needs to pay us for keeping the Russians out of W. Europe and keeping idiot Europeans from killing themselves. After all , we did it and had to pay for it. How about we just come over and take it? How about that Professor. Your pants would smell even worse than usual.

please, stop flaming.

this mod does not give final warnings

TheOther 5 | 3,873
25 Oct 2009 #201
have been marched off to the edge of a mass grave and shot the moment the war was over

Well, the Russians, Poles and Czechs came pretty close in doing just that at the end and right after the war, didn't they?
OP Wroclaw Boy
25 Oct 2009 #203
How about we just come over and take it?

Not in a million years, you guys have been top of the pile for what around 50 years tops. Do you honestly think you could take Europe when you couldnt even manage Vietnam, im laughing my head off.

Theyd be plenty of killing alright blue on blue.
scrappleton - | 830
25 Oct 2009 #204
Mod how is this not flaming?

Yes, I think we'd have all major infrastructure, communications in about a year or so. We could invite the Russians to share in the booty.
Tymoteusz 2 | 353
25 Oct 2009 #205
Have you been there?

Yes. I also do project work (Instrumentation) with them pretty regularly. I remember starting up a chemical facility in Poland in about 1992, All the boxes of control equipment had been rifled through and the fuses and lightbulbs removed. things were tough for them.

The place we stayed had 1 telephone in the lobby, when I went back a year or so later they had phones in all the rooms. It was a real eye opener.

Hey, I'm serious make them pay for all the security we provided since they hate us so much. Guess who had to foot the bill for all of that? We did.

They can't. Also, I'm not so sure anymore that they did'nt want to be under communism. We did what we did because we thought it to be the right thing at the time. forgive us if we were wrong.

One thing I've realized in 20 years of dealing with Europeans is that their mindset is as far from the American mindset as a Chinese would be from a Rwandan. I guess the beauty of this forum is that we can discuss these differences under a common language and see each others viewpoints.

Even if they are always wrong :) :)

Scrappy, Currently in Europe, Brussels is trying to assemble a nation of states. Geo-politically speaking, Any alliance with us is a threat to Brussels. (The BIG picture)

Europe per se, is not a fan of the US.
OP Wroclaw Boy
25 Oct 2009 #206
Mod how is this not flaming?[i][/

Quite simply im a decent fellow and youre a coont. You yan kee fookin coont, hows that? you have no place in Obamas new world so step off will yah. Do us all a favour theres a good chap. Bye bye

Cut it out please, WB.
scrappleton - | 830
25 Oct 2009 #207
Europe per se, is not a fan of the US.

Well said, Tym. Why don't we return the favor and I mean really return it. How much longer should we suffer this treatment from these bums? They can't even take care of themselves half the time. The needed us and the Russians and then turn around and villify us at any and every turn.

Here's my take: You know how they're always barely catching Islamic cells from getting over here. Well, one is going to get through out of Europe and cause another 911 at that juncture we'll have no choice but to go in and occupy the continent. Probably for good.

At any rate, our lower classes should understand who they are. Once they are turned against Europe they'll glad go in and do what needs done. Hollywood is already doing this as all the villians are usually European. Hey.. in the end they will have brought it on themselves.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
25 Oct 2009 #208
Well, Europeans do.

Scrappleton when i was in US visiting family i did not go telling everyone he's stupid, even though most of Americans are horribly terribly dumb by European standards, you dont go to someone home and slap them with your cock expecting them to treat you well.

I just don't understand why we give you things,

You didnt give Poland anything, not a single penny, not even once in your history so no you didnt give us "things".

As for lend lease, it was being repaid by the West.

However the EU needs to pay us for keeping the Russians out of W. Europe

As far as i can tell the main thing that keeps Russians out of Europe is the horrible their military and economy is in, both have little to do with America and everything to do with communism.

How about we just come over and take it?

With what army?

Mod how is this not flaming?

Its not, you're a power for 50 years and already collapsing, Poland was a power for 250 years, Germany was a power for over 100 years, England for nearly 400.

There's plenty of countries, some of them you lack education to know about that were a regional or global power centuries longer then US and faced much greater odds then America, you're not the first, not the last and definitely not the greatest.

Well, the Russians, Poles and Czechs came pretty close in doing just that at the end and right after the war, didn't they?

Oddly enough no, speaking for Poles, our military shot SS, Gestapo and collaborators on the spot, there were relatively rare cases where Poles lynched Germans but in the end all Germans experienced from Poles was harsh treatment during relocation, they were allowed to take what they could carry and gtfo but no one was starving killring or torturing them and German soldiers taken prisoner were treated well (Wehrmacht) cant speak for the Czechs, as for the Russians, they're Russians.
scrappleton - | 830
25 Oct 2009 #209
you dont go to someone home and slap them with your cock expecting them to treat you well.

Have you done this before? : - (

You didnt give Poland anything, not a single penny, not even once in your history so no you didnt give us "things".

We tried to give you Marshall Plan.. you took somebody else's hand. :- (

even though most of Americans are horribly terribly dumb by European standards,

.. opinion... and so , so rude. :- (

Its not, you're a power for 50 years and already collapsing,

..opinion.

Its not, you're a power for 50 years and already collapsing, Poland was a power for 250 years, Germany was a power for over 100 years, England for nearly 400.

Those other guys were not the sole superpower.. they shared it with others.

We don't. :- ))))

.. I thought you didn't want to talk to me because I'm "retarded, moron, fat, stupid, sub-human......" ???? Carry on. Do you have any nice tv's , washing machines? I will be collecting them some day.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
25 Oct 2009 #210
Scrappy, why can't you discuss the thread items properly? Weapons of WWII, any thoughts? Lord Only Knows, America supplied many of them through their arms firms. Care to discuss that!?


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