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Weapons of WWII (Poland and other countries)


wildrover 98 | 4,451
4 Oct 2009 #121
The Nuclear bomb:

The Germans were not so far away from developing one themselves.....now that would have been a bit of a problem for the allies.....It might have been a different story if a certain Jewish scientist hadn,t been hounded out of Germany and moved to the USA....where he later helped develop the bomb....?
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
4 Oct 2009 #122
wildrover

Oppenheimer was a Jew, yes, but he was born and bred in the US. The US already started their Manhattan Project in 1941. And Oppenheimer turned into a Buddhist (or Zen-Buddhist) once he saw the consequences of his invention.

M-G (is off now)
wildrover 98 | 4,451
4 Oct 2009 #123
but he was born and bred in the US.

Oh , i thought he moved there when being Jewish became a bit unpopular in Germany.....Anyway...very impressive bomb he made....
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
7 Oct 2009 #124
reminds me of the katyusha rockets the Soviets had, they even sound the same, i wonder who created them first??

Well,you can trace modern rocketry to the Indian Maharajas of the 18th century,the british copied them diretly and were used with some succes during the napolionic wars,as for the ww2 aspect,pretty much all sides used MLRS from the huge ships packed full of em for landing support to a set of 6 on a german APC......yes,Im a very sad man....
tornado2007 11 | 2,274
7 Oct 2009 #125
not sad, i call it more informative, thanks for the explanation mate. It was so strange that they popped into my head as soon as i had watched/heard scraps video!!! It was the first thing i thought of.
Harry
7 Oct 2009 #126
Zhukov was the one who conceived and planned the encirclement of Germans in Stalingrand.

You mean the strategy of 'let's attack the Romanians, Romanians and Hungarians on the German flanks, they're under-trained and ill-equipped'? There's a truly brilliant strategy! And where had the Russians first learned it? From the British.
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499
7 Oct 2009 #127
trace modern rocketry

What about the Chinese ?
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
8 Oct 2009 #128
lol, I realised the Indians probably nicked the idea from the Chinese,as far as rockets go,but Im not sure the chinese used them as weapons of war.....
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
8 Oct 2009 #129
They did, about 800 years ago.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
9 Oct 2009 #130
Just proves they have a long history of savagry then,god help the rest of the world in this coming century as we slide into a chi-com dominated future......
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
9 Oct 2009 #131
Just proves they have a long history of savagry

Just as long as ours but i'm afraid savagery is one thing we beat them at.

slide into a chi-com dominated future......

Unlike American dominated future?
OP Wroclaw Boy
11 Oct 2009 #132
Truman would not have dropped a nuke on Berlin he had an excuse with the Japs in Pearl harbour.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
11 Oct 2009 #134
That would be counterproductive, they had a pretty good idea that Russia is going to be the next bad guy and Germans would need to be bought into good graces.

Plus having Russians conquer it had a number of advantages, not least of it Germans experiencing Russian heavy hand and preferring to stick with the West.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,856
11 Oct 2009 #135
I'm still not sure....maybe a half a year earlier (Ardennen offensive) they would had done it?
OP Wroclaw Boy
11 Oct 2009 #136
You sure???

No, but if he/we had seen the concentration camps then maybe. Bommer Harris would have toute suite no matter, not sure about Churchill though... I dont think so.

The Yanks had the perfect excuse with the Japs.

Lets try some reverse psychology, would Hitler drop one on London, fcuk yeh
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,856
11 Oct 2009 #137
would Hitler drop one on London, fcuk yeh

Well, Hitler was crowded into the corner...I doubt he would had denied any weapon if he had still any left...the whole country waited for one of those touted "Wunderwaffen"!
time means 5 | 1,310
11 Oct 2009 #138
My dad was based in Berlin during the 50s (national service) and he remembers this old war horse colonel who had served all his life in the army and was due to be pensioned off (very reluctantly) His only hope and biggest wish was that the Russians would invade so he wouldn't have to leave.
OP Wroclaw Boy
11 Oct 2009 #139
Well, Hitler was crowded into the corner...I doubt he would had denied any weapon if he had still any left...the whole country waited for one of those touted "Wunderwaffen"!

In 1944 maybe, but what if he had them before?? Isnt it amazing the peace that the nuclear weapon has brought, never thought about that until now. huumm food for thought, is thinks.

a real persuader, maybe it wasnt such a devestating invention after all.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,856
11 Oct 2009 #140
Isnt it amazing the peace that the nuclear weapon has brought, never thought about that until now

Yeah...a great deterrent I must admit. And very probably kept the cold war "cold".
But bought on the backs of the people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki...
scrappleton - | 831
11 Oct 2009 #141
The Yanks had the perfect excuse with the Japs.

Nuking the Japanese was a bad decision (in retrospect), so was Dresden.. at the same time the Japanese treated American / British POWs horribly, starved them etc. Stuff that would have made the Nazis shudder. At least Hitler kind of respected the warrior.
OP Wroclaw Boy
11 Oct 2009 #142
And very probably kept the cold war "cold".

Indeed, imagine how many wars would have been fought without it.

Back to cold war though without the Nuke how would that have been fought anyway it really would have been a cold war. Two nations at war without actually attacking each other, well not in traditional methods anyway.
time means 5 | 1,310
11 Oct 2009 #143
least Hitler kind of respected the warrior.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commando_Order
scrappleton - | 831
11 Oct 2009 #144
Okay well a lot of Americans weren't shot on site, and given a choice I'd rather be in a German prison than a Japanese. You kind of grasped that, didn't you? However, thanks for the glib a.sshole point you've made. Typical British.
time means 5 | 1,310
11 Oct 2009 #145
You kind of grasped that, didn't you?

Yes i did and agree with you.

thanks for the glib a.sshole point you've made.

You are more than welcome :-)

One victim of the commando order with a great sting in tail

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Godwin_RNVR
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,856
11 Oct 2009 #146
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commando_Order

Well, that was common on all sites of the war.

Germans caught during the Operation Greif in american uniforms were shot half an hour later...no Hague convention for them.
time means 5 | 1,310
11 Oct 2009 #147
in american uniforms

Not in their own

operation bulbasket

After the men had been captured they were handed over to German security forces commanded by SS Sturmbannf├╝hrer Hans Josef Kieffer, the senior German intelligence officer in Paris, and were held in prison in Paris for a month. Kieffer then had the prisoners dressed in civilian clothes and they were taken back to the woods near their base and shot with Sten guns to make it look like a misunderstanding between Allies. One SAS trooper, however, managed to escape the massacre and after the war gave evidence at the Nuremberg trials against Kieffer, who received a death sentence.[3]

See John Godwin link above.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,856
11 Oct 2009 #148
Shortly after World War II, at the Nuremberg Trials, the Commando Order was found to be a direct breach of the laws of war, and German officers who carried out illegal executions under the Commando Order were found guilty of a war crime.

"Victors law"...nothing else! They did the same thing with the Germans they caught...
time means 5 | 1,310
11 Oct 2009 #149
Germans they caught...

In foreign uniforms perhaps.

The order itself stated that

From now on all men operating against German troops in so-called commando raids, even if they are in uniform, whether armed or unarmed, in battle or in flight, are to be annihilated to the last man.... Even if these individuals on discovery ... give themselves up as prisoners, no pardon is on any account to be given.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,856
11 Oct 2009 #150
In foreign uniforms perhaps.

What do you think "Commandos" means? That are special troops infiltrating behind enemy lines to gather information or do other special tasks!

Every country had them and used them....and they knew they were very likely to get killed when caught. Only with the Germans it became a war crime after the war...you've got to be kidding!


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