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Why is Poland weaker than Russia?


Vlad1234 16 | 757
27 Feb 2019 #241
Principally, I don't see a lot of reasons for Hitler to start war with either West or East. If he wanted a lot of territory and resources he could easily conquer entire South America - a huge territory with good climate and lot of resources.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,432
27 Feb 2019 #242
Yes, another German politician learnt it by his own sad example.. :)

Bismarck???
Lyzko 29 | 7,245
27 Feb 2019 #243
Hitler,of course!
Lyzko 29 | 7,245
27 Feb 2019 #245
Sure, his arrogance lost him the Eastern Front:-)
Thank G-d for such arrogance....
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,432
28 Feb 2019 #246
With hindsight it was a good thing. The moment the german army set foot in Russia the Nazi time was on the count down!

Imagine he had not....
Spike31 2 | 2,153
28 Feb 2019 #247
If he won Germany would now, instead of brainwashing other EU members with neo-marxism dressed as "tolerance", teach in schools about 'ubermensh' and live of slavery of other Europeans nations.
OP Bobko 9 | 149
28 Feb 2019 #248
his arrogance lost him the Eastern Front:-)

Truly so. Paranoia must be added to this.

As regards your earlier post, Lyzko, where you questioned if Hitler ever studied the lessons of Napoleon's campaign in Russia - yes he did, and he took its lessons perhaps too close to heart. When Manstein, Guderian, and Von Reichenau advised Hitler, after a fantastically successful summer campaign, to push on to Moscow and behead the Soviet government, he overruled them. Instead, he ordered the capture of Kiev, and the opening of a supply corridor to the oil fields of the Caucasus. He ridiculed his generals exactly by citing Napoleon. He told them they were military dummies, who understood nothing about the bigger picture, and that the only way to defeat the Soviet Union was by starving it through cutting off its industrial base in the Ukraine and its hydrocarbon resource base in the Caucasus.
Vlad1234 16 | 757
28 Feb 2019 #249
When Manstein... advised Hitler..., to push on to Moscow and behead the Soviet government, he overruled them.

I don't think Nazis would be able to behead Soviet govt. by encircling Moscow as Soviets would just evacuate their govt. farther East. Also, it's difficult to tell how long the siege of Moscow would take (its population size alone was larger than entire German army in the East) and whether capture of Moscow would have any crucial impact on Hitler campaign in the East. For Napoleon it didn't. Taking the size of USSR into account and US help, Soviet troops could retreat almost endlessly and exhaust German forces. I'm not sure whether Hitler's plan to build defense line Arkhangelsk-Astrakhan was any real. There was no defense line which could completely stop a multimillion Soviet force with its thousands of tanks and thousands of bombers...
Lyzko 29 | 7,245
28 Feb 2019 #250
Had he done so, Bobko, why then did he insist that Manstein, Paulus and Runstedt engage in a Russian campaign in the first place? If he really took those lessons to heart which you're suggesting he did, he certainly was not a quick study:-)
Vlad1234 16 | 757
28 Feb 2019 #251
Had he done so, Bobko, why then did he insist that Manstein, Paulus and Runstedt engage in a Russian campaign in the first place?

I think the only "justification" for Hitler decision to attack USSR from strategical point of view would be a fear that USSR will strike him first. From what is publicly known it was hardly the case.
Lyzko 29 | 7,245
28 Feb 2019 #252
As a student of history, I'd tend to agree.
Spike31 2 | 2,153
28 Feb 2019 #253
From what is publicly known it was hardly the case

I would disagree. When Hitler's army entered the USRR they've encountered offensive Russian forces who were unable to defend themselves effectively (different equipment is needed for defense than for offensive manouvers).

Germans have also captured a lot of abandoned tanks and destroyed plenty of planes which were sitting on field airports up to 20-30 kilometres next to the border. Stalin was planning an invasion and Hitler stabbed him in the back (just before Stalin could do the same)
Vlad1234 16 | 757
28 Feb 2019 #254
I wonder, what would be the "best" time of year for Hitler to invade USSR? He started in summer and approached Moscow in winter. Probably he would need to start at the end of winter to approach Moscow in summer? A difficult question.
Lyzko 29 | 7,245
28 Feb 2019 #255
Zhukov though was a tough bird and doubtless would have anticipated Hitler's rigid impetuousness.
Most likely, he would have anticipated the Germans, albeit the General Staff scoffed at much of their
Fuehrers poor knowledge of military tactics, and probably would have surprised the Nazis.

I'm sure the top Russian tank experts could match a Heinz Guderian any day!
Vlad1234 16 | 757
28 Feb 2019 #256
By the way, in this year we will mark one more important date: 80 years since WWII began. Almost a century ago...
Lyzko 29 | 7,245
28 Feb 2019 #257
A portentious date indeed, as the prospects of a world any year about to hover on the brink of war grows ever more ominous!
Let's hope Trump and Gim Jung (Mentally-) Ill will finally come to some accord.
Vlad1234 16 | 757
28 Feb 2019 #258
I think that if in the nearest 50 years WWIII will start, most likely it will start from US and China. I don't see any other likely candidates for now.
Vlad1234 16 | 757
28 Feb 2019 #260
May it turn in WWIII? A local war... But I don't think they will start. There is no World-scale ambitions.
Miloslaw 9 | 2,825
28 Feb 2019 #261
. But I don't think they will start

I don't think they will either,but I thought it more likely than USA v China.
Vlad1234 16 | 757
28 Feb 2019 #262
Who knows. I can't predict something with a certainty about India and Pakistan, but think objectively they have no reasons to start full-scale war. Because such reasons may appear only if one of these countries will decide to conquer and assimilate the other country completely. In the last decades they had tensions over Northern mountainous region, but in my understanding this tensions already got quitter. US and China on other hand have giant potential tensions over World dominance. Or at least over full dominance in a certain parts of the World.
Crnogorac3 2 | 328
1 Mar 2019 #263
If he wanted a lot of territory and resources

The reason that Germany launched its Drang nach Osten campaign was because the Germans had already been too late for the plundering of the world, or as the Brits like to say: "a just division of the world's goods."
Lyzko 29 | 7,245
1 Mar 2019 #264
"Divide and conquer", is that what you mean?
Vlad1234 16 | 757
1 Mar 2019 #265
British and French had only minor colonies in South America (Guiana, Guyana).
Spike31 2 | 2,153
28 Mar 2019 #266
Can Poland break Gazprom's hold on Europe?
Poland is at the heart of plans that could shift the balance of power in the EU.

dw.com/en/can-poland-break-gazproms-hold-on-europe/a-47979157
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
28 Mar 2019 #267
Poland is at the heart of plans

Not really. The price is just too high for it to have a serious effect, and most CEE consumers won't want to pay 20-30% minimum more for gas.

Interesting to note that the amount of gas bought from Russia has actually been increasing percentage-wise in 2018.

eadaily.com/en/news/2017/12/15/at-a-loss-why-has-poland-sold-its-lng-from-united-states-to-ukraine - worth a read.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,185
28 Mar 2019 #268
By the way, in this year we will mark one more important date: 80 years since WWII began. Almost a century ago...

I hope Putin will remember how Russia was insulted by Poland and return the favor on May 9.
No, I am not Russian and the rumors are fake news. I just hate stupid.
TheOther 5 | 3,711
28 Mar 2019 #269
Can Poland break Gazprom's hold on Europe?

Why do you think the Trump administration stated that "The US strongly opposes the Nord Stream II and Turk Stream pipelines as they would deepen Europe's dependence on Russia..."? Because they love Poland so much or because they want to sell you some overpriced LNG?

economist.com/the-economist-explains/2018/11/16/why-america-struggles-to-sell-lng-in-europe
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
28 Mar 2019 #270
Bingo. US opposition to Nord Stream is all about the fact that the Americans have more gas than they can handle.

Being locked into unfavourable long term LNG supplies from the US is every bit as bad as being locked into bad long term deals with Russia.

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