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Why is Poland weaker than Russia?


jon357 63 | 14,260
9 Apr 2019 #361
Poland is already pretty strong

Strong and getting stronger. Unlike Russia (Burkino Faso with rusty nukes), it isn't dependent on selling minerals.
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,876
9 Apr 2019 #362
Only its people - the main Polish exports. Like Mexico and Honduras.
Ziemowit 13 | 3,779
9 Apr 2019 #363
Hasn't Poland exported yourself, too? [One of the best deals Poland has ever made, methinks.]
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,876
9 Apr 2019 #364
No, Poland made every effort to keep me as a slave after investing all that money in my fake degree. The idiots actually wanted me to pay all of that back to be able to leave but I promised to be back. I lied.
Velund 1 | 528
9 Apr 2019 #365
Only its people - the main Polish exports.

Lithuania/Latvia is in the same position. 2 in 1 - exporting workers to demanding western markets and freeing eastern lands for new owners.
Velund 1 | 528
9 Apr 2019 #366
Strong and getting stronger. Unlike Russia

Then why so much cries and apparent anal suffering, with attempts to give away USD 1 Bn to Trump just to put US military base on Polish land, and later to fund its existence?

Most logical way is to silently sit (under protection of Article 5), and wait - while Poland will become stronger and stronger, and Russia - weaker and weaker. For free, absolutely.
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,876
9 Apr 2019 #367
Most logical way is to silently sit (under protection of Article 5), and wait

Never argue with a Polak. They will make your head spin and you will start doubting your sanity.
If you are up to it, ask them what Poland gained by not inviting Russians to commemorate WW2.
Velund 1 | 528
9 Apr 2019 #368
We recently discussed this on a local forum, and decided that Great Józef Piłsudski was absolutely correct in one of their not-so-popular sayings...

rech-pospolita.ru/upload/iblock/08e/pil7.jpg
delphiandomine 83 | 17,863
9 Apr 2019 #369
it isn't dependent on selling minerals.

I don't know if it's true, but I've read somewhere that Russia is even more dependent on energy exports than it was during the USSR.
jon357 63 | 14,260
9 Apr 2019 #370
even more dependent on energy exports than it was during the USSR.

And raw material extraction, like the third world. The amount of manufactured goods they export in relation to their size is tiny; when dod you last buy anything made in Russia?

That and the declining life expectancy...
delphiandomine 83 | 17,863
9 Apr 2019 #371
when dod you last buy anything made in Russia?

It's a shame really, for a country that had a reputation for producing crude but reliable things, they've now ended up essentially producing nothing.

The only Russian company that comes to mind as being innovative is Kaspersky internet security, which really shows how far they've fallen since the days of being known for their skill in intellectual fields such as mathematics and science.
jon357 63 | 14,260
9 Apr 2019 #372
crude but reliable things

Things had to be reliable; they were incapable of producing spares; not that most of what they produced was ever worth exporting in the first place.

they've now ended up essentially producing nothing.

They just sell minerals/hydrocarbons to others; rather like an African state.
Miloslaw 6 | 3,179
9 Apr 2019 #373
when did you last buy anything made in Russia?

As you say Jon, Russia and Belarus are like the poorest of African nations, but in Europe.
Poverty, lack of production, lack of goods in the shops and corruption.....just like the worst of Africa.
Velund 1 | 528
9 Apr 2019 #374
As you say Jon, Russia and Belarus are like the poorest of African nations, but in Europe.

It is ridiculous to watch how three of them who have never been in Russia masturbate, looking at each other's messages, trying to write something as despicable as possible about the impoverished and deteriorating Russia. A few pages earlier, the same persons written how dangerous and powerful Russia is, and how NATO protection is indispensable. ;)
jon357 63 | 14,260
10 Apr 2019 #375
the impoverished and deteriorating Russia

You said it.

how dangerous

A wounded and dying skunk sprays the nastiest odour.
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,876
10 Apr 2019 #376
You said it.

No, didn't. He paraphrased his opponents posts, claims or implications. Hence, no quote marks.

the same persons written how dangerous and powerful Russia is

Again, he cites the essence of another post.
jon357 63 | 14,260
10 Apr 2019 #377
Your slly post doesn't affect the facts at all. Russia is on a long-term economic, political and social decline.
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,876
10 Apr 2019 #378
Then, Poland does not need the US.
Velund 1 | 528
10 Apr 2019 #379
US need Poland anyway. Someone who is reckless enough (and not so valuable for the chosen people) should constantly tease the bear.
mafketis 23 | 7,767
10 Apr 2019 #380
Russia is on a long-term economic, political and social decline.

No Krym nash! (I'm wondering if that refrain is starting to sound a bit hollow.... things have been just going downhill since that little adventure, both in the Crimea and in Russia as well)
Velund 1 | 528
10 Apr 2019 #381
Have you visited Crimea in person last year or so? Or have read some sort of fake news?

Russia have some stagnation due to imposed sanctions, but there is many good things done since then. Even if Russia will declare all their counter-sanctions null and void and open their market for EU agricultural production again, you will be surprised how much "niches" is now totally occupied by a local producers.

Full domestic replacement of industrial products once purchased from Ukrainian manufacturers - another thing that is almost complete. It taken a lot of time and money, but now ukis can blackmail itself.

Currently, work started on domestic replacement of US-made composites used for aviation and falling under US imposed sanctions once Russia attempted to sell planes to Iran. Year or so, and US companies will lose this market completely, and State Department will lose one more way to harm Russia. I hope Russian government will also impose some limitations on supply of large titanium blanks to Boeing by AVISMA - let's see how it will be reflected in Boeing shares market value.
Rich Mazur 4 | 4,876
10 Apr 2019 #382
Add stopping playing Uber for the American "astronauts" to that list
The Webster definition of irony should have this: Russia, with its economy equal to Texas' and "rusty nukes", is now taking hitchhikers unable to get there by themselves. How much do we pay per person per ride? And, is there a weight limit to make sure that the fatsos will not bring that station down in flames?
mafketis 23 | 7,767
10 Apr 2019 #383
there is many good things done since then

I can hear music in the air....

youtube.com/watch?v=tpvq3hmCKCs
Velund 1 | 528
10 Apr 2019 #384
Better enjoy the silence...
Miloslaw 6 | 3,179
10 Apr 2019 #385
Russia is where it has been for most of it's history.
A poor, vast, backward state on the fringe of Europe, on the fringe geographically, politically, culturally and financially.
And unless it embraces reform, it will remain there.
Lyzko 25 | 7,413
10 Apr 2019 #386
Backward, Milo?

You've been reading too much Polish, British or German anti-Russian propaganda, my friend!
Vast and culturally on the fringe of Europe, indeed. She is after all known as "Eurasia", a sort of perennial bridge between East and West.

Yet economically, not to even mention in terms of natural resources by virtue of her sheer size, Russia's got Poland beat by kilometers.

Furthermore, in terms of speaker percentage, many, many more people speak Russian than Polish, for example. The latter's importance is more that of a geopolitical buffer, now that the Cold War ended and German no longer has quite the same hegemony as it once had:-)
Miloslaw 6 | 3,179
10 Apr 2019 #387
, Russia's got Poland beat by kilometers.

My Dear Lyzko.As is so often the case when you respond to peoples posts you go off on a wild tangent and discuss stuff that was not in the original post just to make some sort of point of your own.

Please stick the comments in the posts you are referring to!
I did not try to compare Russia with Poland.So why are you doing it?

many, many more people speak Russian than Polish

Nor did I try to compare the number of Russian speakers to that of Polish.
My point was, that despite it's size and population, Russia is still a very poor and backward country.
And have not seen any real progress in many years.
The only way they will is by embracing a more liberal and democratic attitude,which will allow them to be more accepted by the west and seek reforms and maybe even help.

I would love to see a free, democratic Russia embraced as a friend by The West.
But Putin prefers the status quo because it suits his personal ambitions.
Velund 1 | 528
10 Apr 2019 #388
I would love to see a free, democratic Russia embraced as a friend by The West.

Milo, Rusians also like the idea, but experiece of 1980-s - 1990-s prove that current western elites does not need Russia as partner. They (as a maximum) want to "neutralise" souvereinity, destroy industry that may be a competitor for their own, and start siphoning natural resources. As a minimum - to keep Russia in a stagnating state, barely able to keep living standard of 3-rd world to their population, and pick talented scientists and engineers, moving them to new jobs to the US/EU.

Many things was done in 1990-s, while "efficient managers" make factories of strategic importance bankrupts and sold machines as a scrap, making lofts or large shop malls out of buildings. They told us that "we can effectively provide natural resources, we will buy the rest from those who already can efficiently manufacture finished goods", and "we cannot afford to subsidize that factories, that working mostly for space program and weapons manufacture".

It is taken more than a decade to restore most essential facilities, but competence in many areas is not yet restored. And we very "thankful" to that "democratic leaders" and "efficient managers with experience in western style management" for this. Here is a lot of people who want to friendly embrace the neck of that "effective managers" and keep it tightly embraced long enough to assure that we will never see them or their "students" in the power again.

My best 73 to you...
Lyzko 25 | 7,413
10 Apr 2019 #389
Russia's rich in resources and territory, but poor in infrastructural development.
Velund 1 | 528
10 Apr 2019 #390
I would like to see what US would look like, if they had to rebuild 3/4 from scratch every century after a massive military invasion to their territory.

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