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Do Prussians still remain in Poland?


Lilliput    
14 Mar 2018  #1
Dear,

Next summer I will travel to Poland. I'm looking for ancient remains of Prussia to visit, but I can not find anything. Is there really nothing left? Was everything removed from the map?

Thanks!
Vars18    
14 Mar 2018  #2
By ancient Prussia you mean the Prussian tribes that inhibited the baltic coast centuries ago?
OP Lilliput    
14 Mar 2018  #3
No, sorry. I mean the country abolished on 1947.
Lyzko 17 | 4,558    
14 Mar 2018  #4
"Prussia" itself no longer exists as either a political or a cultural entity!

Moreoever, as you are doubtless aware, the "Prusi" way back when, weren't even Slavs to begin with, but Balts.
People still refer to the "Prussian Tradition", "Prussian Reformers" aka von Stein, Scharnhorst, and Gneisenau, but this refers exclusively to the Pommeranian area in and around Berlin.

There was a famous Polish author, Boleslaw Prus, perhaps a descendant of Prussians.
RubasznyRumcajs 5 | 420    
14 Mar 2018  #5
you'll have to visit Mazury region of Poland, as well as Kaliningrad Oblast' which is a Russian enclave outside of Russia. check if you will need a visa etc.
Crow 142 | 6,831    
14 Mar 2018  #6
While drinking one summer evening, mixing vodka and rakija, one Russian told me that Kaliningrad represent Russian experiment in which they tries to prove that complete eastern Germany can be successfully re-Slavicized and liberated, if helped. On that I said- ``Well, just that we have back Lusatia and neighboring regions and also Rujan (Rugen) so that we can dignify Svetovid`s memory.`` He then just said how are we Serbs crazy and, after contemplating, I concluded that I am.
mafketis 16 | 5,667    
14 Mar 2018  #7
mixing vodka and rakija

was it grozdova (grape in bulgarian I assume serbian's similar) mixing grape (rakija) and grain (vodka) sounds like an express ticket to a massive wish-I-was-dead hangover...
Michael Grunwal    
14 Mar 2018  #8
@Prusy
I have a plan for it, working really hard for it.
If any of you help me in this endeavor. I'll recreate Prussia but as loyal knight-state :)
OP Lilliput    
17 Mar 2018  #9
@Lyzko I know that, but for example, is there something in Tannenberg? Thanks
Lyzko 17 | 4,558    
17 Mar 2018  #10
Indeed there is! Tannenberg was a well-known spot, celebrated for the famous battle there during the Middle Ages.
Incidentally, Old Prussian was the last extant Baltic tongue before becoming extinct at the end of the 18th century or so.
Ironside 46 | 8,792    
17 Mar 2018  #11
Tannenberg was a well-known spot, celebrated for the famous battle there during the Middle Ages.

Dude, you're an embarrassment to yourself. Tannenberg was a place where WWI victorious For Germans battle was fought with Russia. There used to be some monument or something, I don't think there is anything left right now.
Lyzko 17 | 4,558    
17 Mar 2018  #12
Because I omitted that piece of information, nonetheless would hardly mean I wasn't aware of it:-) The question was asked re: Tannenberg and her relation with Prussian history. I responded as I did, correctly, if perhaps not completely enough to your tastes.
Ironside 46 | 8,792    
17 Mar 2018  #13
he question was asked re: Tannenberg and her relation with Prussian history.

Exactly, I would argue that Prussian history starts when Ordo domus Sanctæ Mariæ Theutonicorum Hierosolymitanorum state came to an end. So once again your were caught playing smart ass for show.
Lyzko 17 | 4,558    
17 Mar 2018  #14
Well then all that fuss and feathers before in your post was for nothing! We do agree.
:-)
Ziemowit 9 | 2,863    
19 Mar 2018  #15
I'm looking for ancient remains of Prussia to visit, but I can not find anything. Is there really nothing left?

The "castle" (Königliches Residenzschloß) built for Keiser Wilhelm II, who was also King of Prussia, has remained in Poznań. In 1939 the building was transformed into Adolf Hitler's residence and the interiors' character partly changed according to the Nazi monumental architecture. The former chapel was changed into into the private cabinet of Hitler being an exact copy of his cabinet in Berlin and it has survived the war untouched, so if you want to admire the former glory of the Third Reich, come to Poznań in Poland ...

The castle was renovated and its outer surface cleaned thorughly in the 2000s, I think. The difference in look is shown here:

zamek
Nesquik89    
19 Mar 2018  #16
In Poznań you can find remains of Festung Posen
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poznań_Fortress
Miloslaw 2 | 171    
19 Mar 2018  #17
Malbork Castle in Malbork near Gdansk should be of interest.
Ziemowit 9 | 2,863    
19 Mar 2018  #18
Yes, except for the fact it does not belong to the Prussian heritage in the sense of Prussia as the country "abolished in 1947".

It belongs to the heritage of, according to Iron's words:

Ordo domus Sanctæ Mariæ Theutonicorum Hierosolymitanorum state

It is worth remembering that modern Prussians even wanted to demolish the fortress as useless, but it was luckily saved for posterity.
OP Lilliput    
25 Mar 2018  #19
Thanks
Crow 142 | 6,831    
13 Apr 2018  #20
@Lilliput

It would be glad to you to know, that we Serbians (South-East and Central European Serbs), brothers to Poles, keeps memory on Prussia alive. We doing it to keep memory alive of ultimately Slavic (ie Sarmatian) origin of old Prussians. Serbian army parade march using authentic Prussian parade step and must use it, as explained by General Pavle Jurisic Sturm (born Paulus Eugen Sturm), ethnic Lusatian Serb that served in Serbian royal army, in wars against Ottomans and A-H. Sarmatian last and finest must use it to protect it and deny it to the scourge, for it was our even before germanization of northern brethren occurred. In us, our brethren live in their purity and old glory.

pjs

Pavle Jurišić Šturm

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Serbian army guard `Blue Guard of Slavia` forcing parade march on heavy rain

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video > youtube.com/watch?v=6xiMqte7Mww
Serbian guard on parade in China, 2015
peterweg 36 | 2,334    
14 Apr 2018  #21
I mean the country abolished on 1947.

It was a German State, not a country
Lyzko 17 | 4,558    
14 Apr 2018  #22
More a historic territory, in fact:-)
Crow 142 | 6,831    
14 Apr 2018  #23
Actually, a site, where Slavs (ie Sarmats) were Germanized in process known as `Drang Nach Osten`.
Lyzko 17 | 4,558    
14 Apr 2018  #24
Partly right, I have to admit, but only "Drang nach Osten" was more a late 19. century nationalist concept, later exploited of course by the Nazis, which justified Germans (re-)conquering former Teutonic territories in the East, later expropriated (in their words) by the Slavs, but now to be (rightfully!!!) settled by Germans.

Not too dissimilar in spirit to the US "Manifest Destiny" during the heyday of the American West, when it was seen as America's mission to forcibly settle Western areas occupied by Native Americans, but intended for White-European Americans:-)
Crow 142 | 6,831    
14 Apr 2018  #25
Independence to Lusatia!
Lyzko 17 | 4,558    
14 Apr 2018  #26
Lausitz, thank you very much! And she's very much independent already, Mr. Crow.
Tacitus 1 | 422    
15 Apr 2018  #27
I'd advise Crow to visit Lusatia one day, at least the German part (since this is the one he likes to talk about). Because it is a beautiful place to visit and relatively cheap. And because he would then perhaps appreciate why an independent Lusatia is not realistic in any way.
Crow 142 | 6,831    
15 Apr 2018  #28
Not realistic?

No, Lusatia won`t stay in Gerabia. Liberation would come.
Tacitus 1 | 422    
15 Apr 2018  #29
Just visit the place someday, Cottbus, Görlitz and Bautzen are quite nice and have been lovingly restored with West German money since 1990.
Lyzko 17 | 4,558    
15 Apr 2018  #30
Hear, hear Tacitus!

I myself was also in Cottbus (of your well known children's rhymeLOL) and found it a charming place. Much of that Mark landscape is restful and beautiful as well:-)

As regards West German money, many in the former East still complaining about their richer cousins to the West, are well advised to consider that without a little push from a certain gentleman from Halle, Mr. Genscher, both Messrs. Reagan and Gorbatschow would probably not been able to convince then Chancellor Kohl that German re-unification was even desirable, much less doable.




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