Norman Davies - the Brit who loves Poland and becomes one of Us

Harry

19 Jul 2011 #241

Jews were allowed to live legally in Warsaw since 1768.

Certain Jews only and only in certain areas and only if they obeyed certain rules which Gentiles did not need to obey.

Thats right , but it was still unofficial capital , that`s your misunderstanding of Polish history , you can`t know it just by reading some wiki at random .

And to attempt to prove your point, you direct us to a wiki.
Sorry dear lady, but I think I'll take the word of the city's official website over that of somebody who either doesn't know that there are no restored houses on a certain street in Warsaw or who knows that there are none but anyway claims that all but one house on the street have been restored.

And, of course this site would never have an interest to promote their city :)

I suggest that you write to them and complain. No doubt they like a laugh as much as the next man.

Monia

19 Jul 2011 #242

And to attempt to prove your point, you direct us to a wiki.

Well , it is internet I can`t open up for you my library , dude . Use some better argument .

Have you had some fun reading sources I`ve given you ?

Harry

19 Jul 2011 #243

Well , it is internet I can`t open up for you my library , dude . Use some better argument .

So do we believe some wiki or the official website of the capital city of Warsaw?

No I haven't bothered looking at your sources.

Monia

19 Jul 2011 #244

Please do, it is Jewish source , not wiki , BTW

Nathan 18 | 1,349

19 Jul 2011 #245

Exactly, this is what it was - but not a capital.

Oh come on, Nat, you confuse me now :)
Monia, here is some info from Wikipedia about Krakiw:

Kraków has traditionally been one of the leading centres of Polish academic, cultural, and artistic life and is one of Poland's most important economic centres.It was the capital of Poland from 1038 to 1596; the capital of the Grand Duchy of Kraków from 1846 to 1918; and the capital of Kraków Voivodeship from the 14th century to 1999. It is now the capital of the Lesser Poland Voivodeship.

Another one:

In 1596, Sigismund III of the Swedish House of Vasa moved the capital of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth from Kraków to Warsaw.[27]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krak%C3%B3w

About the facts , if you say something let it be compatible with facts . You can`t formul;ate comments because it is convenient for you .

that`s your misunderstanding of Polish history , you can`t know it just by reading some wiki at random .

PF is a type of a forum where one cannot argue without being either anti-Polish or complete blank tablet about the greatest history the world has ever witnessed.

Harry

19 Jul 2011 #246

Have you had some fun reading sources I`ve given you ?

The very first sentence of the first source you give:

"WARSAW. capital of Poland from 1596 to 1794 and again since 1918." So the text in no way supports the claim that Warsaw was not the capital of independent Poland from 1596 onwards. And then it goes on to list all the examples of Jews being banned from and/or thrown out of Warsaw when Warsaw was under Polish rule.

But those years are interesting, aren't they? In 1526 Masovia annexed by Poland and so Warsaw came under Polish rule then and that it was under Polish rule from 1526 to 1794 (268 years) and from 1918 to 1939 (21 years) and from 1945 to 2011 (66 years), so Warsaw has been under Polish rule for a total of 355 years. And Jews were banned from living in the city from 1527 to 1768 (241 years). This means that for more than two thirds of the time that Warsaw has been under Polish rule, Jews were not allowed to live in it.

Bzibzioh

19 Jul 2011 #247

Who to believe? A Canadian who helps keep Crown Royal in business or the official website of the Capital City of Warsaw?

Who to believe? Kraków's tour guide or British clown/amateurish history buff/wikipedia "expert"?

I suggest that you write to them and complain. No doubt they like a laugh as much as the next man.

No, you write and complain about misleading you and making you look like incompetent ass. Yes, they will laugh that some moron bought that crap :)))

Monia, here is some info from Wikipedia about Krakiw:

You are both really funny with this blind faith in wikipedia. It's not scientific, just pop-knowledge, you know. What about *actually* studying history of Poland, like I did?

Harry

19 Jul 2011 #248

Who to believe? Kraków's tour guide or British clown/amateurish history buff/wikipedia "expert"?

So you think we should to take the supposed word of an un-named Krakow tour guide over what the official website of the capital city of Warsaw says. Pour me a glass of that whiskey please.

What about *actually* studying history of Poland, like I did?

Really? So you're then well aware of the fact that for more than two thirds of the time that Warsaw has been under Polish rule, Jews were not allowed to live in it.

isthatu2 4 | 2,694

19 Jul 2011 #249

PF is a type of a forum where one cannot argue without being either anti-Polish or complete blank tablet about the greatest history the world has ever witnessed.

The lads onto something there ....:)

Blargh, Krakow tour guides are sooo thick,this one I knew told our group that the Whale Bones were from a Dragon..............muppet,everyone knows Dragons left Poland in the 3rd century...............................

Marynka11 4 | 673

19 Jul 2011 #250

Certain Jews only and only in certain areas and only if they obeyed certain rules which Gentiles did not need to obey.

Other than not being allowed to form authorized communities I haven't heard of any other rules in Warsaw in free Poland.