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Lwów, Wilno ... kresy - Poland have lost enormoust part of our heritage...


Mr Grunwald 33 | 2,019
11 Dec 2010 #121
I am not that much into nobility cr*p

You better watch your tongue or ill join Sok&I-S camp

As for economy dont make me laugh, Ukraine has no market atm, Polands exports to Ukraine are pathetically small, you're an economic black hole and the only country that cares about you (Poland) cares about you because you're such a nice buffer zone.

Sucks to be Ukraine :)

Now Nathan... Do I speak to you like that? Do I?! :((
No need to bash on nobility!
(You can bash arrogant aristrocratic arses, I feel the same way)
Czarnkow1940 5 | 95
11 Dec 2010 #122
You haven't made a mistake - you are just a little cunning pr*ck.

It was a honest mistake but alright...
Nathan 18 | 1,363
11 Dec 2010 #123
Thank you ;)

You are welcome, David ;)

80% of revitalisation done in Lwów is done with money from Wrocław for example

Is it a new joke? ;) Can you show me the link to Wroclaw investments into Lviv?

if not for our money your country would be an even bigger dump than it already is.

Główni inwestorzy zagraniczni na Ukrainie to: Stany Zjednoczone, Cypr, Wielka Brytania, Holandia i Rosja.

Translation: Main investors into Ukraine's (economy) are: USA, Cyprus, the Great Britain, the Nethelands and the Russian Federation. Well, I don't see your money here, Sokrates ;)

Another very interesting fact - you will love it, pal:

Polska zainwestowała na Ukrainie ponad 153 mln. USD. Wartość ukraińskich inwestycji w Polsce z kolei przekroczyła 300 mln USD (Huta Częstochowa, FSO, Stocznia Gdańsk).

Translation: Poland invested into Ukraine - 153 mln USD, but Ukraine invested into Poland - 300 mln USD (such as Czestochowa steelmill, Polish car factory FSO in Warsaw and Danzig shipyard). So, Ukraine has invested twice as much in Poland. Hahahah :)

But I won't be mentioning any dumps here :)

all it takes is to expell some half a milion ukrainians working here legaly

Two important words. Europe may kick Polish out of every country you are in and rack the cash flow into Poland. So, what is your problem? Polish need as much work as Ukrainians do. Both work, earn money and send home to support their families. You sound like a kid.

Polands exports to Ukraine are pathetically small

Topping the list of 2007 trade partners for Ukrainian exports were Russia (21.3% of total exports), Turkey (7.1%), Italy (6.4%) and the United States (4.1%).

Ukrainian imports last year were valued at $54.3 billion. Leading suppliers of Ukrainian imports included Russia (28.2% of total imports), Germany (11.7%), Poland (7.6%), China (7%) and Turkmanistan (5.7%).
Not bad, dude, Poland is #3 importing partner of Ukraine. As economies develop I bet Poland will become #2 partner in no time.

You better watch your tongue or ill join Sok&I-S camp

Gruni, you are too intelligent to join these two tight cr*p-holes :)

Now Nathan... Do I speak to you like that? Do I?! :((

You don't, because of the above-mentioned reason.

No need to bash on nobility!

Sorry to hurt your feelings, Gruni. Are you of some noble origin? You see, I treat people equally whether they are royal family or don't know who their parents were. It doesn't matter. We came from nothing and will return there. Although what I like about nobility is the respect to one's roots and cherishing old traditions and symbols of the past. I find it attractive. So, if you are a noble, I send my apology :) Btw, do nobles in Norway kiss other men's hands as Jola does? He seems to like it the most. Ironside too. They express great passion while doing that. It something completely new to me.

kiss my ass, you fukker !

With my hard-rock weapon? Iron, please, show some decency on PF. First hands and now you are giving away your arsenal to a complete stranger, come on, pal :)
David_18 68 | 982
11 Dec 2010 #124
Although what I like about nobility is the respect to one's roots and cherishing old traditions and symbols of the past.I find it attractive.

Are you a homosexual? <Joker> HEHEHE

It's actually depressing to be of noble heritage in todays Poland. The nobles lost everything in Poland/Ukraine/Belarus/Lithuania and most of them got murdered or had to flee their homes.

I remember how my great grandmother told me how she and her sister fled their estate in Ukraine while her father and his servants defended their estate from the communists. her whole family were murdered besides my great grandmother and her sister that made their way to Mielec where she later married my great grandfather.

The polish gentry lost eveything, Family/Estate. All we have left is our history and pride.

Gruni, you are too intelligent to join these two tight cr*p-holes :)

Gruni join the dark side!
Ironside 51 | 11,337
19 Dec 2010 #125
Ironside too. They express great passion while doing that. It something completely new to me.

You are a moron, liar and troll, nothing more !
MediaWatch 10 | 945
19 Dec 2010 #126
Come on Socrates be nice.

The Ukrainians have a history of suffering parallel to that of the Poles.

Let's not forget that a lot of the friction between Poles and Ukrainians in the past was because of nearby large nations playing Poland and Ukraine against each other for their own benefit.

Much of the anti-Ukraine and anti-Polish propaganda out there came from Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. More so the Soviet Union since it outlasted Nazi Germany by 45 years. Much of this anti-Ukraine and anti-Poland propaganda sadly still exists today in the minds of some people.

I fully support the improved Poland-Ukraine relations of the past 10 years.
Nathan 18 | 1,363
19 Dec 2010 #127
Come on Socrates be nice.

MW, you are mistaken - he is not Socrates, he is an outright Kant ;)
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
19 Dec 2010 #128
The Ukrainians have a history of suffering parallel to that of the Poles.

Really? How come? Ukraine have been under the soviet jackboot for about 70 years, Poland was partitioned/occupied by the soviets for almost 200 years and lost more then three times as many people, i dont see any parallels, even the aftermath is different ie Poland developing despite its greater losses, Ukraine deteriorating.

Let's not forget that a lot of the friction between Poles and Ukrainians in the past was because of nearby large nations playing Poland and Ukraine against each other for their own benefit.

Like who? All of the friction was because Ukrainians attempted to take a piece of Poland for themselves, got spanked by Poles for trying and were bitter and jealous because Poland succeeded on every field where Ukraine failed.

I fully support the improved Poland-Ukraine relations of the past 10 years.

So do i, personally though i still can't bring myself to respect Ukraine or its people, bunch of unwashed monkeys that they are.
PennBoy 76 | 2,436
19 Dec 2010 #129
David_18:
Thank you ;)

You are welcome, David ;)

maybe you two should kiss LOL
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
19 Dec 2010 #130
geopolitics - stable state to be a buffer against Russia

Cast a glance over the present situation and may be you will be struck with astonishment. Now Ukraine is faithful Russian ally, tomorrow it will be again the part of Russia.
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
19 Dec 2010 #132
South and east in first turn, then, be sure we shall find the way how to get the remaining parts
ender 5 | 398
19 Dec 2010 #133
Did you ask your Ukrainian brothers opinion?
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
19 Dec 2010 #134
What for? There is no such nation as Ukrainian. It is supposed that they are russian too, however with some minor deviations
southern 75 | 7,096
19 Dec 2010 #135
Poles can be considered Russian?Or do you not want to get your hands on them?
Ziemowit 14 | 4,444
20 Dec 2010 #136
South and east in first turn, then, be sure we shall find the way how to get the remaining parts

Isn't it the same what you once in the Stalinst era thought about China? China turned out to be too big to swallow, however ...

The problem with Ukraine is that if Russia swallows it [unfortunately, it is not as big as China], it will immediately become a potential threat to the rest of Europe. I mean I have nothing against 'nashyh russkih druziei', but in consequence swallowing Ukraine may lead to turning Poland into the 'Privislanski krai' once again and then, with the subsequent establishing of the direct border with Germany, it will sooner or later lead to confrontation with an outbreak of another world war as already happened twice in the past. Thus, curbing Russian imperialism [as exemplified in the above phrases of KonstantineK] and maintaing the bufor zone between Germany and Russia is in the most vital interest of all parties involved including Russia itself.
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
20 Dec 2010 #137
Thus, curbing Russian imperialism [as exemplified in the above phrases of KonstantineK] and maintaing the bufor zone between Germany and Russia is in the most vital interest of all parties involved including Russia itself.

To live we should eat. We cannot stop, we should expand. I see that the name "Privislansiy krai" is very apt to describe Poland.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,342
20 Dec 2010 #138
I mean I have nothing against 'nashyh russkih druziei', but in consequence swallowing Ukraine may lead to turning Poland into the 'Privislanski krai' once again and then, with the subsequent establishing of the direct border with Germany, it will sooner or later lead to confrontation with an outbreak of another world war as already happened twice in the past.

Why?

I don't see sharing a border meaning necessary another world war...
Ziemowit 14 | 4,444
20 Dec 2010 #139
To live we should eat. We cannot stop, we should expand.

In that case, beware of China. They are a very big and a very hungry ... dragon!
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
20 Dec 2010 #140
Should we? Can you remind me at least one battle where china was victorious? Cannot remember. Big and poor population, big army, big costs, surrounded by enemies - I am sure we shall win.
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2,019
21 Dec 2010 #141
Sorry to hurt your feelings, Gruni.

It's ok now

Gruni, you are too intelligent to join these two tight cr*p-holes :)

*Becomes flattered from all the beautyfull words*

You don't, because of the above-mentioned reason.

Very good reason indeed :D

Are you of some noble origin?

Yes (My Polish side, there are only 3 noble family's in Norway (two of them with Danish roots the last with Swedish roots)

You see, I treat people equally whether they are royal family or don't know who their parents were. It doesn't matter.

I belive child's upbringing and their social background is quite important. I clearly see the difference in behavior between people with farmer background and those of middle class background for example. Quite often it even have political "traditions".

Btw, do nobles in Norway kiss other men's hands as Jola does? He seems to like it the most. Ironside too.

Most Norwegians do it only in comedian shows to laugh off nobility (actors). Just to paint you a picture the Germans were shocked by the picture of seeing children sitting and elder persons standign on the buss when they invaded Norway in 1940. and many other stuff. Norway has since the black plague allmost exclusavelly been peasents or middle class (workers with peasents roots)

Although what I like about nobility is the respect to one's roots and cherishing old traditions and symbols of the past.

Yes it is very important as we are so few!

It's actually depressing to be of noble heritage in todays Poland. The nobles lost everything in Poland/Ukraine/Belarus/Lithuania and most of them got murdered or had to flee their homes.

Your telling me.... -.-

Gruni join the dark side!

I am an individual and I have no need of any factions! "When alone I am strongest!"

Let's not forget that a lot of the friction between Poles and Ukrainians in the past was because of nearby large nations playing Poland and Ukraine against each other for their own benefit.

Sad but true :/

bunch of unwashed monkeys that they are.

people like you were given oney from partitioneers and were allowed to live so that your "type" could enflame further conflict! Disgusting! Even today! Pff

Did you ask your Ukrainian brothers opinion?

Have they ever done that?

What for? There is no such nation as Ukrainian.

See? SEE? I knew it!

I don't see sharing a border meaning necessary another world war...

Ey ey ey... Germans got brains, Poles got brains! Don't think everybody got brains... *tries not to activate Zombie mode*

I am sure we shall win.

Without any support either... hard to win then!
Nathan 18 | 1,363
21 Dec 2010 #142
Have they ever done that?

What should they have asked? How to let others to tell them what to do at their home?

Why?
I don't see sharing a border meaning necessary another world war...

Of course. But the third time will be the last, BB. Let`s not turn Europe in mess again with the final trial somewhere in Argentina, because there won`t be a single stone in the Central Europe unburned this time to run a simple court proceeding. Please, don`t tell that this time it will be different. Let`s live in f* peace at least for a century, BB. Please.

To live we should eat. We cannot stop, we should expand.

You will expand only till your pipes transport oil. As soon as it is gone, I will pretend of praying for you :)

There is no such nation as Ukrainian

Russian is not a nation. That`s for sure.Today, so-called Russian Federation consists of over 80 different republics, which no matter how hard you try to deface by your barbarism will rip along the artificial seams supported by oil which Europe, unfortunately, needs so much. Look at Dubai - when their oil is gone - they have marvels of the world left on this earth, but when your locust-country, which destroys everything around and itself, will be left with no oil - we will have Mars on Earth - deserts with vodka i seliodka. It is simply sad.

with some minor deviations

You are a big time deviation, but you won`t be able to appreciate it as this is what you are - locust with no brains to make the world a better place. You said ``to live we should eat``. Then learn to work, mf.

The West seems to like the whole business and why not: place of no competition where to dump its products and loads of natural resources to feed its people. It is a reasonable policy, very smart. But as usual the West feeds itself and sells the rest just as it did in 1938 in Munich. It is a dog-eat-dog world - no surprises here.
Borrka 37 | 594
21 Dec 2010 #143
deserts with vodka i seliodka for locust with no brains

It's X-mass time, Nathan !
You gotta make Kostik feel good and only good.
Don't be so hard on him !
Give the kid a break and let him enjoy seliodka, ded moroz and snegurochka.
Nathan 18 | 1,363
21 Dec 2010 #144
Give the kid a break and let him enjoy seliodka, ded moroz and snegurochka.

Only because you, Borya, insist and out of respect to sniegurochna, I concede :) Merry Christmas, Kostya.
Ksysia 25 | 430
22 Dec 2010 #145
You guys gotta stop talking about Poland/Ukraine like we ever invaded and conquered. We weren't Germans in those lands. We've slid right in by marrying Ruthenian leaders to Polish leaders.

We've never before thought about those relations as anything different that 'Ukraine should be with us against Russians'. Really surprised that Ukraine might actually choose the cruelty of the Muscovites. Ok if you want to be killed, starved, and herded west in a GRAND ARMY as the first line of disposable boys... Sad that it means for us getting in their clutches again.
Nathan 18 | 1,363
22 Dec 2010 #146
We've slid right in

True, and then slid out :)

Really surprised that Ukraine might actually choose the cruelty of the Muscovites.

Nobody chooses anyone - we prefer to stay away from cruelty expressed by either side.

We've never before thought about those relations as anything different that 'Ukraine should be with us against Russians'.

You, maybe, wanted to say "...be us...". With that statement I would agree.

Ok if you want to be killed, starved, and herded west in a GRAND ARMY as the first line of disposable boys...

We are not in war and our army is not part of some Grand Army you mention. I am not too keen to see my country in any military block: NATO or Russian/China. You are talking about WWII. And I agree on that one. But right now I am happy we are not losing our soldiers for some other country's benefit like many states do today. At the end of the day, the defense of the state is in the hand of its people not whory blocks which will serve you to jackals as soon as you are not necessary anymore.
Borrka 37 | 594
22 Dec 2010 #147
Nathan.
Very interesting discussion on Polish-Ukrainian relationship.
PM from me!
Velund 1 | 673
23 Dec 2010 #148
Can't you visit Lithuania? Purchase property there? Speak your language there? What's the problem?

Hm. You have to learn Lithuanian to live there without serious limitations. And with education in Polish for your kids you'll have ever more troubles than with education in Russian for russians living there since USSR collapse.

But, anyway, I like Lithuanians. Mostly good people and easier to deal with (for Russian/Ukrainian), compared to Poles and especially to Latvians. ;)

BTW: I visit Vilnius few times every year... Had business multi-entry visas in the past, until April 2010. Lithuania changed rules and it become simpler to pay for single entry visa every time and spend 2 days to visit embassy.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
23 Dec 2010 #149
Nobody chooses anyone - we prefer to stay away from cruelty expressed by either side.

You preferred to murdered polish civilians.

and our army

You dont have an army.

we are not losing our soldiers for some other country's benefi

You are losing your soldiers due to desertion and hunger.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
23 Dec 2010 #150
You preferred to murdered polish civilians.

Better than murdering your own citizens, like what happened in Lwow.


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