Lwów, Wilno ... kresy - Poland have lost enormoust part of our heritage...

You'll only have 90 days residence - can't see you changing the world in 90 days, racist!


You don't have Polish citizenship - therefore, you aren't Polish.


I've no time for racist Polacks.

LOL your making assumptions you have no idea if I have citizenship or not.

Make that "no time for racist, dumb Polacks"

Can you get Polish Citizenship if your Grandparents were born in Poland
polishforums.com/genealogy-ancestry-6/you-get-polish-citizenship-grandparents-were-born-poland-45153

LOL you dont like to answer my question just like to call me a racist ok whatever.

You posted the thread about "can I get Polish citizenship", not me - racist!

Historical connections... Brest belonged to PLC untill the partitions of PLC.


Nothing. Poland would probably have to pump in Billions of euro into Brest before it would even look like a city...


Haha common you've met "3". Nothing to brag about....


Yea wow Belarus has been a nation for 20 years... Give me a break!


Yea right. What do you know about the poles living inside Belarus? I heard the Belarusian goverment is very generous to the poles inside their country <Sarcasm>


A program sponsored by the Belarusian Goverment haha! ;)

Until the partitions, right ;)

Precisely. It's hardly a bustling metropolis ;)

No doubt :) Their one and only due to a limitation of funds :)

I can break your filthy ignorance if you want. You don't need a break, you need to sit down and read and don't be afraid of knowledge about other people and states.

Nation - for your general knowledge - is not exactly equal to independance. Was there a Polish nation in 1873, for example? According to you - not. Questions for you:

"Were there Belarusy as a nation in 1989 when the Soviet Union still existed?", "Was Belarus' as a state-republic represented in United Nations Organization since its creation in 1945 and one of 15 republics of the SU"? I hope you say "yes" as an answer because these are historical facts.

Here is some info on Belarusian language:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francysk_Skaryna

And this is not the earliest period when Belarusian language was recorded - check XII century religious works. And for them to exist there should have been population who already spoke the language.


I said it already - Belarusians are very hospitable people and these conclusions were drawn not even from a few encounters with them. "I heard that Belarusian government..." - what in hell are you talking about? Have you heard what Belarusians themselves (in their own country) go through in Lukashenko's regime? Their is no freedom of speech, people are scared to say things, everything is controlled by the state,... I am not talking about the government which as you might already know cannot be called legitimately elected for 20 years in a row, but about people. If a title nation is not living under decent democratic standards, what would you expect of some minority?

He will be a future target, that dictator. For now, he is not making enough waves to attract attention but he might in due course. Then objects might fly!

Brest, like Minsk, is in excellent condition. Belarus is one of the cleanest most well taken care of countries that I've ever been to. People are great too. Political system, not so much.


So much persecution that they decide to stay there...Even though there is a city named "Polack"....hmmm

You are a bit of a Brest man then, convex? It does it for you? ;)

Joking aside, I would like to visit Belarus one day. It's not on the agenda for now but....

I'm guessing that the efficiency level in administrative offices is somewhat higher there. I waited for 2 hours just to get a letter and also some of my personal details changed. They are some of the slowest and dullest fools around in such positions here.

Sorry Nathan but they should be shunted across to Lvov. We don't want them! ;)

Wait Convex are we talking about the same two cities?


You mean you've been to some alternate reality Belarus? I agree with people but Mińsk is rolling in its own filth, thing i found great initially later not so much is that their meals consist of dinner, dinner and even more dinner.


That depends, Poles are persecuted if they go into politics or celebrate their identity too much, Angelika Borys though is a political wh0re.

Anyway Belarus is much much better off than the dump they call Ukraine.

It's a nice place. Roads were well taken care of, greenery was manicured, no graffiti, no trash laying around. I really liked it.


As far as "cleanest cities in Europe", Minsk ranks pretty high for me. Dunno, obviously commie as all hell, but I liked it :)


Don't know enough to comment, I'll stfu on that.


Without getting Nathans panties in a knot, I tend to agree...The countryside in Belarus is a lot more like Romania/Bulgaria.

I would even go further and say that the Poles influenced the city untill ww2.


I know plenty <gasps>

The Belarusian language evolved from the Ruthenian language just like todays ukrainian. You guys got no real identity, know why? Because both the Poles and Russian exploited you for over 1000 years. Both Ukraine and Belarus only existed on the map for 20 years as independent nations.


Indeed. guess who the Benefactors was? The Radziwill family. They wanted the lands for themselfs thats why they cared so much but in reality they were Poles just like eveybody else in the Republic. Today they live in Poland and call themselfs proudly poles.


Have you ever heard what the Poles go trough in Belarus?


Actually i would't mind visit Belarus. I've meet plenty of Belarusians and most of them that iv'e been speaking too always claims to be polish descendants, seems to be the fasion over there.


Do they got a chooice? probably their family lived there the past 500 years. Moving to Poland ain't an option fo most of them. What they gonna do if they got no job and no money in Poland?

Without any shadow, yes. However, Russia influenced Poland for 43 years (much more really) ;) ;)

Belarus aint anti-Polish, its anti-initiative, any initiative and its just so happens that Poles are The most active minority in Belarus so they get most boots.

Life is OK (as much as it can be in a commie state) as long as you play by the rules, belarussian rules suck major arse though.

I will double up on previous posters comments, Belarussians are not a nation, they're a bunch of guys without an identity held together by a local tyrant, give em time and they might or might not develop into a nation, today its completely artificial.


The place has discipline ill give you that but it can be and is reaaally filthy once you're off the beaten track.


Not much really, life aint roses for them but our media made a case of demonising the issue, at the same time in Ukraine where Poles are really mistreated you get no media coverage of that.

Great to know :)


The Radziwill family was Polish??? Hahahah :))) You made my day.


They have not worse than the title nation. Use your country to improve the conditions for all people in Belarus and then Polish minority will benefit as well.

Some people are so stupid even I know that Radziwill family is Ukrainian some people should think before they speak.

When one of the clan said at a party he was Lithuanian, someone asked him to say something in Lithuanian. Everyone had a good laugh. In Lithuanian their surname is Radvila, but they to this day use the Polish Radziwiłł. I can introduce you, if you like, and you can kiss the Prince's hand.

They are Lithuanian noble family which eventually spread out into all the Eastern Europe. To say that they are Polish or Ukrainian as such is incorrect.


Do you still do that? Do you like licking men's hands, jola? Nice name you have - manly ;) I am not that much into nobility cr*p and women are the only creatures I might consider kissing in the hand :)

To say they are Ukrainian would be ridiculous. Relax, I just happened to grow up friends with the family.

Yes your right I just noticed my mistake just then lol.

Your mistake was talking in the first place.

Radziwiłł family was originaly lithuanian, today they're as polish as any other Pole.

Ow gees... The Radziwill Family exploited Lithuania and Belarus to the limit. Sure they were decendants of the Lithuanian Astikai family but after the creation of the PLC Republic they went the polish way and have done so ever since.

If you asked a Radziwill 500 years ago if he were polish he would say yes. If you would ask them today they would say the same. There is a reason why they choose Poland over Belarus and Lithuania after WW1.


Poland is doing a great work to improve the conditions in both Belarus and Ukraine, but it takes two to tango you know.


Your intelligence amuses me :)

I don`t know what improvement and of what conditions you are talking about in case of Ukraine. If you could, please, give me some examples of single tango, I`ll appreciate it.


You mean the lack of such, I hope?!

Poland is letting Ukrainians come to Poland and work.
Poland supports an Ukrainian Eu entry and Nato entry.

Etc etc etc...


Ofc...

About the only thing I can think of is introducing the Karta Polaka, but that's about it. Unless of course, you count the investments made in Shegyni by Poles buying cigarettes ;)

Ukraine is letting Polish come to Ukraine if not for work than for tourism. Ukrainians working in Poland bring benefit to your country by producing and paying taxes, which Poland uses. Is this correct? If you didn't need the workers, you wouldn't let Ukrainians in. So, you are not doing it exactly out of sheer love and passion, but for own benefit, which is great.

EU and NATO support and Ukraine's part in it is important for Poland on multiple levels: economy (Germany exports to Poland, Poland might need somebody too to invest and export not out of love, but to gain profits); geopolitics - stable state to be a buffer against Russia; an ally to feel better in a world of hatred and rejection ;) and many others.

So, it is not a single tango, David. It is mutually benefitial relationship.


Again - mutually benefitial :)

You just proved my point. Thank you ;)

80% of revitalisation done in Lwów is done with money from Wrocław for example, if not for our money your country would be an even bigger dump than it already is.

Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians work in Poland.

If Poland ever wanted to collpse ukrainian economy all it takes is to expell some half a milion ukrainians working here legaly or otherwise and Ukraine is wrecked overnight, the only reason Poland does not is political, ripping Ukraine a new arsehole is not in our interest.

As for economy dont make me laugh, Ukraine has no market atm, Polands exports to Ukraine are pathetically small, you're an economic black hole and the only country that cares about you (Poland) cares about you because you're such a nice buffer zone.

Sucks to be Ukraine :)