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David_18 68 | 982
24 Sep 2011  #121
The Wettins, all of them were never interested in Poland

They were at the begining. But after spending some years in the Sejm i guess they got pretty mad and just thought screw this and lets move on to plan B...

and 40.000 strong Polish army behind them

Haha the Poles did not give a damn about the Saxon king and his army. They did not even help them in the war with Charles the Swedish king...

Wettins even tried to partition Poland so no the german kings never really wanted to do much.

When?
gumishu 11 | 5,012
24 Sep 2011  #122
Haha the Poles did not give a damn about the Saxon king and his army. They did not even help them in the war with Charles the Swedish king...

yes this is true - but well - Poland and Polish people never wanted this war - it was king August's plot that drew Poland into the war (raid on Riga by Saxon troops from Polish territory)
Palivec - | 380
24 Sep 2011  #123
So you mean Austrian Emperors had no power at all being the most powerfull german state?:)))

This is a completely different matter. Sorry to say this, but you don't understand the character of the HRE. The Habsburgs as Austrian dukes were powerful, the Habsburgs as emperors were not, since the power of the emperor was gradually reduced, while the states became more powerful.

But it could enter via Duchy of Courland, Duchy of Brandenburg, Lithuanian Radziwil Branch who were already electors, and it did several times, back to the books for you.

Do you actually know what "elector" means when it comes to the HRE?

I'd love to see german states vote out an Emperor who had the polish army and the polish coffers behind him.

They also voted out the most powerful king of the HRE, so...

I'm sorry i dont use wiki nor do i use it as a source

You can use the books used there...
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
24 Sep 2011  #124
Sorry to say this, but you don't understand the character of the HRE.

The character of the HRE was changing throught the ages, you admitted as much yourself so i understand the situation very well.

the Habsburgs as emperors were not

Says you, what history says is that Austria as the seat of HRE effectively stopped any german state apart from Brandenburg from attacking Poland during the Deluge, thats a pretty good indication that untill XVIII century Austria was rocking the game completely.

since the power of the emperor was gradually reduced, while the states became more powerful.

Legally maybe, the reality was if you had the most money and the biggest army that made you lord of the ring as Emperor thus Habsburgs had all the leverage in the world and a bit more.

Do you actually know what "elector" means when it comes to the HRE?

Yes but you're talking about the legal team of the Collegium, i'm talking about who did the choosing actually, reality as opposed to legality.

They also voted out the most powerful king of the HRE, so...

The most powerfull king of HRE was at the time incomparably less powerfull than the Polish king, in XV alone for example Poland had a GDP larger than Germany and Lithuania combined, for over 100 years Poland was in a position to literally buy and sell any seat of power in the HRE at leisure.

You can use the books used there...

What for? I spoken of the mobilisation potential of the HRE and you gave me what amounts to the federal army, those are two completely different subjects and its not my fault you have comprehension issues.

Haha the Poles did not give a damn about the Saxon king and his army. They did not even help them in the war with Charles the Swedish king...

They gave quite a bit of damn David, if you're referring to the War of Polish Succession thats a different story alltogether.


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