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Israeli wants to wipe Poland off the map!



joepilsudski 26 | 1,394    
5 Apr 2011  #181

There was a whole thread on this about 2 years ago, when Peres gave his little speech....They love to talk, but in this case Peres was probably telling the truth...You would have to find the real names behind real estate and developers in Poland to get the full picture...Most big real estate is controlled through holding companies, which serve as fronts....Same with corporations.

PennBoy 77 | 2,440    
5 Apr 2011  #182

Please the Arabs are gonna breed them out of Israel, Arabs are multiplying like rabbits.
Crow 144 | 6,763    
5 Apr 2011  #183

true. Look what happened with Serbian southern province of Kosovo, where Albos came as illegals and then taken whole region for themselves. For now

They love to talk, but in this case Peres was probably telling the truth.

i hope they won`t s***w Poland. We Serbs have a lot of hope regarding support from Poland
Des Essientes 7 | 1,296    
5 Apr 2011  #184

true. Look what happened with Serbian southern province of Kosovo, where Albos came as illegals and then taken whole region for themselves.

But in the case of the Zionist entity in Palestine it was the Zionists who came and took the whole for themselves. Those who understand the situation there look forward to the Arabs getting their land back whether it be by babies or by bullets.
johnny reb 15 | 2,940    
12 Feb 2018  #185

I though we already had a "why are Jews hated so much..." thread?

Most have been deleted or closed.

You'll never read about it but Arab leaders fear nuclear Iran more than a nuclear Israel.

Iran really has no bone to pick with Poland where Israel is not a happy camper with the new law that Poland just passed showing the Jews that they have milked Poland enough.

It no doubt has strained the relations between the two countries but hardly to the extent of a war.
Lyzko 17 | 4,443    
12 Feb 2018  #186

The Jews have been hated because they were always seen as being different. Unlike the New Testament, the Old Testament contains a line in which it commands the Israelites aka "Judaeens" to GO FORTH FROM AMONG THEM AND BE YE SEPARATE!! Precisely who "them" is remains a bone of contention to this day.
Ironside 46 | 8,729    
14 Feb 2018  #187

The Jews have been hated because they were always seen as being different.

No, because they believe they are special when in fact they are 'special'.
Lyzko 17 | 4,443    
14 Feb 2018  #188

Another example, Ironside, of misunderstanding the expression "Chosen People" (and no, I'm not referring to North Korean Jews eitherLOL).
It never meant, contrary to popular opinion, the Jews believe they are chosen above all others, aka, to be "better", rather, that G_d chose THEM to be a light unto the world.

There's a huge difference between these two ideas, perhaps not easily gleaned by a non-native English speaker:-)
Ironside 46 | 8,729    
14 Feb 2018  #189

of misunderstanding the expression "Chosen Peop

Who talk about chosen people? Not I. I just give an answer to your post in which you have written why in your opinion Jews are hated.

a non-native English speaker:

well for you as a self-proclaimed Jew English is not your 'native' language either.
Crow 144 | 6,763    
14 Feb 2018  #190

I don`t think that Israel wants to wipe Poland off the map. Israel is serious and wise and knows that any such move place Israel in state of war with entire Slavic world and that wouldn`t be wise.

Israel and Jews just need more time to understand that resurgent Poland isn`t anti-Israel. Actually, that Poland isn`t `anti-` anybody but truly pro-Poland.

But in the case of the Zionist entity in Palestine it was the Zionists who came and took the whole for themselves.

That is why Serbian government recognized Palestine. Serbia didn`t deny Israel but also recognized Palestine. At first Israel didn`t understand and now seek for best possible relations with Serbia. Point is to have consistent politics and then Jews understand you.
Lyzko 17 | 4,443    
14 Feb 2018  #191

Gosh, Ironside, you'll have to explain that one to our members, 'cuz you're making a royal ass out of yourself:-)
WielkiPolak 57 | 1,028    
14 Feb 2018  #192

Speaking of chosen people, there is a notable difference in the Jewish faith to other religions. That difference is that Jews do not seek to preach to people or convert then. People of other religions on the other hand, do this all the time.

Now for this reason, non-religious people might find Jews less annoying, because they are not trying to 'force' their religion on them, but what is more interesting is the reason they do not try to convert people and it is more to do with the fact that Orthodox religious Jews believe they are chosen.

If you aren't born Jewish, then they believe that perhaps you aren't chosen by God like them, perhaps you weren't meant to be a Jew - you were meant to be a gentile.

Other religions don't have this mentality. Anybody who converts to Christianity or Islam isn't considered not as good as those who were born in to the faith. That's why those religions preach their word and encourage others to convert.

At least, I think this is the case. Perhaps somebody can enlighten me? Can a convert to Judaism [like say, Ivanka Trump] be considered to be on the same level as an Orthodox Jew born of Jewish blood, or would she never be considered as Jewish as them?
delphiandomine 86 | 16,437    
14 Feb 2018  #193

Can a convert to Judaism [like say, Ivanka Trump] be considered to be on the same level as an Orthodox Jew

I think Orthodox Jews do accept converts, as long as you accept their rules and that you prove to their satisfaction that you've converted. It's not like Christianity where most denominations go "sure, no problem, just have some simple baptism and that's you", but the road is open.

With other denominations, it seems that some rabbis will accept you for cash, while others will make you prove it to varying degrees.

You're right though, it is strange that they don't actively try to convert people. Never thought of it like that before...
Dirk diggler 6 | 2,657    
14 Feb 2018  #194

think Orthodox Jews do accept converts

No they actually don't really accept nor recognize converts as 'real' Jews. According to Jewish law, a person receives his or her 'jewishness' from the mother. If the mother is not jewish, their son or daughter isn't - according to strict Jewish law which Orthodox follow. They do not recognize 'converts' and I believe only the more liberal sects like 'reform' recognize them.

Its worth noting that Orthodox place more emphasis on Torah than Talmud. In fact, many orthodox jews, especially groups like netuya karta, do not recognize Israel as the Torah states that Jews are not to have a homeland until their messiah comes.

Can a convert to Judaism [like say, Ivanka Trump] be considered to be on the same level as an Orthodox Jew

She is not considered to be a 'real Jew' because she does not have a Jewish mother. Although, if she keeps kosher, follows Jewish law, etc. then the more liberal sects will recognize her as a Jew.
johnny reb 15 | 2,940    
15 Feb 2018  #195

I think Orthodox Jews do accept converts

Since you are not a "practicing" Jew (or a Jew at all for that matter) it would be hard for you to base an opinion on the subject without googling it first.

Judaism describes the Jewish faith.
Zionism defines the philosophy behind Israel.
All Zionist are Jews, but not all Jews are Zionists.
Judaism is more about spirituality but Zionism is more about racism.
All the self proclaimed Jews on this forum are Zionists Jews and not Orthodox Jews.
So once we understand that we are dealing with "generic" Jews so to speak and not the real deals we should take them with a grain of salt.

Kinda like non practicing Catholic's trying to promote Catholicism.
delphiandomine 86 | 16,437    
15 Feb 2018  #196

We are the best Jews, of course. Zionism makes sense, and all that cash flowing from the US to Israel will ensure our domination over the Middle East for centuries.
johnny reb 15 | 2,940    
15 Feb 2018  #197

That's like saying that non practicing Catholics are the best Catholics.
SURPRISE, no they are not but you are right about Zionists being all about other peoples money and land.
kaprys 1 | 1,334    
15 Feb 2018  #198

Oh, so the idea of Jews as 'chosen people' first appeared in English and you need to be a native speaker of English to understand it?

I learn something new every day.
SigSauer 2 | 490    
15 Feb 2018  #199

We are the best Jews, of course. Zionism makes sense

You're outdoing yourself this time. Lets see if for the 5th time now, you can reconcile your typically progressive views with the nationalism and now 'domination' that you want to lord over other people in a particular region.

Still waiting on an answer....You do in fact support monoethnic theocratic states in the 21st century? Or is it just this one exception? You also seem to support nationalism in this case as well.................If Europe is for the world, why isn't Israel for the world as well? We should increase the diversity in Israel with migrants from MENA countries, shouldn't we?

From the tone of most of your previous posts on this forum, and how I interpret your political position (left of center), I thought we'd all be in agreement that theocracies have no place in the 21st century. Is this somehow an exception? I thought that Israel was a secular state, like other 1st world modern democratic states? Is that not the case, and it is instead masquerading as a democracy and in fact a theocracy using democracy as a front like other despotic theocracies? Please explain.
Atch 14 | 2,241    
15 Feb 2018  #200

You're outdoing yourself this time.

Sig Sauer, you do realize don't you that Delph is just messing with your head. He's winding you up. Sorry Delph for spoiling your fun :))

think Orthodox Jews do accept converts,

Yes they do. I know that because I knew quite a few Orthodox Jews in London and this topic came up for discussion. But it's a very long, arduous process, there's no specific time limit on it. It could take two years, or five years and there's no guarantee that even after years of study and living a Jewish life (they even send people to your home to check your cupboards etc and ensure you're being kosher!) that you will be allowed to make the final conversion. For that, you have to appear before a sort of council of Rabbis who question you, a bit like giving an oral defence of your dissertation in Oxford or Cambridge :)) That's when the final decision is made regarding whether you're accepted. You get into a bath of water (wearing a robe or something for modesty!) and the Rabbis are not visible to you but they question you from behind a screen or something. Then they give you the verdict and Bob's Your Uncle. You're in. Except for Israel. The Orthodox leaders there don't accept converts to Orthodoxy as fully Jewish. You're seen more as an Associate member :)
Dirk diggler 6 | 2,657    
15 Feb 2018  #201

Sorry delph, but putin just put netanyahoo and the zionist entity in its place. Funs over.

haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/putin-s-call-with-netanyahu-called-time-on-israel-s-syrian-strikes-1.5809118

"Leaves no doubt who the REAL boss in the middle east is" - straight from an israeli source

But yes poland ought to follow israels ultra nationalist militant conservative line to the tee. Israel for Israelis, Poland for Poles. And anytime someone talks sh1t about poland being xenophobic and refusing migrants gay marraoge etc we can simply say well were following the jewish israeli line, in part to protect our polish jewish residents. Then no one will criticise poland lest they be called antisemitic. Its perfect!
Lyzko 17 | 4,443    
15 Feb 2018  #202

Granted folks, the Jewish religion is in deep #### at the moment, and has been for some time, particularly here in the States, going on at the very least seventy-five or so years!! Sadly, we've morphed from "The People of the Book" into "The People of the Book(ie)", and it was all by design, I assure you:-)
G (undercover)    
15 Feb 2018  #203

We are the best Jews, of course.

If you were a Jew, instead of teaching English, you would be working at Wall Street, or at least in Hollywood.
Lyzko 17 | 4,443    
15 Feb 2018  #204

More anti-Semitic prejudice!

Fact: Most Wall St. insiders, even Hollywood moguls these days, are gentiles:-) What's your point exactly?
Dirk diggler 6 | 2,657    
15 Feb 2018  #205

Wall St., somewhat... its more the Federal Reserve, Treasury Department, Goldman Sachs and the banking/finance industry that's dominated by Jews. The traders and brokers that work there its a good mix - lot of Indians and Asians now...

Hollywood - TOTALLY!

And it's not anti-Semitic to say that... if the Jews like Joe Stein can boast in LA Times Dec 19 2008 article titled 'Is Hollywood Run By Jews - You Bet' then so can society acknowledge an LA Times article's title and the content in it...
Lyzko 17 | 4,443    
16 Feb 2018  #206

I don't know Joe Stein, however, for every Barney Baruch, Julius Rosenwald, along with the other folks you've mentioned, there are twice to three times as many Carnegies, Rockefellers, Vanderbilts, and Mellons.
Dirk diggler 6 | 2,657    
16 Feb 2018  #207

Not in Hollywood, the Treasury department, the Fed, and the top ranks of the banking industry.... those are all dominated by Jews.
cms 9 | 1,301    
16 Feb 2018  #208

Again that is prejudice

The Fed board has 3 members and 4 vacancies. I dont think any of the 3 are Jewish and its up to the Senate to affirm the other 4.

Banks are private businesses so they can appoint who they want but i would be surprised if more than a third of the top 50 bank bosses are Jewish.

There are many in finance for sure - but one reason is that New York has a high jewish population and finance is the biggest industry there so where are educated Jews likely to work ? There are also plenty of other nationalities over-represented in US banks including Indians, Greeks, Chinese - its a very competitive business so they will pick the most educated prople they can find.
G (undercover)    
16 Feb 2018  #209

its a very competitive business so they will pick the most educated prople

Let me guess, you have never worked in banking ?
Dirk diggler 6 | 2,657    
16 Feb 2018  #210

Except even haaretz, a jewish source points out the disproportionate number of jews in the fed. And now a 5th zionist will be chairman... and this time a socialist zionist at that

haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-are-zionists-taking-over-the-fed-1.5305438

Except chinese indians greeks etc arent overrepresented in the fed treasury (which is mainly ex goldman employees) or leadership positions in media or finance. If they werent overrepresented theyd account for 1% of treasury fed goldman etc top positions. That is clearly not the case...

Another scary thing is the ridiculous amount of dual us israeli citizens who hold offices in congress senate etc. 99% of the timr their loyalties are to israel and jews, not the us




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