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"Poland's Concentration Camp" ??


VaFunkoolo 6 | 654
27 May 2008 #241
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_death_camp

Amusingly ironic that despite "former Nazi German concentration camp Auschwitz-Birkenau" having abolutely nothing to do with Poland or the Polish in any possible way, its still refered to as 'Polish_death_camp' on the wiki link.

Youve got to laugh really
celinski 31 | 1,258
27 May 2008 #242
Youve got to laugh really

Wiki= ? Anyone can put things there and there are alot of incorrect information that need to be fixed.
VaFunkoolo 6 | 654
27 May 2008 #243
Well celinski, this is surely another cause for you to champion. Why not start a campaign to have the link name changed. The Polish government will surely be interested in this continued and high profile vilification of Poland and I suspect UNESCO might like to get involved too.
Harry
27 May 2008 #244
Firslly he claimed that Poland runed camps durring WWII now he changes his mind.

You pathetic liar. I claimed no such thing. I stated the fact that Poland ran concentration camps before and after WWII.
celinski 31 | 1,258
27 May 2008 #245
You pathetic liar. I claimed no such thing.

Now tell us how yu feel about Poland running the Auschwitz concentration camp until 1947 and one of the Auschwitz subcamps until 1956.

Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
27 May 2008 #246
So Poland bears no responsibilty for the pre-war concentration camp it ran? Yeah, right.

Rat, you mean the "camp" for commies ? We should be proud of It and you go make your stinking oy vey somewhere else.
Harry
27 May 2008 #247
Well done Carol. You've just proved that I stated that Poland ran concentration camps after WWII, in other words: exactly what I said I had stated. Nice work.

Rat, you mean the "camp" for commies ? We should be proud of It and you go make your stinking oy vey somewhere else.

Oh look! A racist sack of sh*t making racist comments! Who would have thought we would ever see that?
southern 75 | 7,096
27 May 2008 #248
Harry,the concentration camps in Poland before the WW2 were run by aliens.They used them to land UFOs and stuff.Now they build some camps for you.You have to run to catch them before it is too late.
Harry
27 May 2008 #249
That's about as truthful as the majority of the explanations given by some of the Polish (and psuedo-Polish) posters in this thread.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699
27 May 2008 #250
[quote=southern]Harry,the concentration camps in Poland before the WW2 were run by aliens.They used them to land UFOs and stuff.Now they build some camps for you.You have to run to catch them before it is too late.

lol southern..

ground control to major tom..
cyg 5 | 119
29 May 2008 #251
Has anyone here noticed that you're talking about two different things - concentration camps and death camps? German death camps were called concentration camps, but they bear little similarity to British, Polish or American camps of this type. The Brits invented the concentration camp during the Boer War, and I'm sure they weren't pleasant things, just as Bereza Kartuska wasn't, and you can argue about the rightfulness of what was being done there, but comparing them to Auschwitz or Buchenwald is a complete misunderstanding, IMHO.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
29 May 2008 #252
Has anyone here noticed that you're talking about two different things - concentration camps and death camps?

I tried to point to some it but the flier writing scribe won't pick the theme up. He's a catch phrases kind of fella. Not surprising for a scribe who lives off low grade pamphlets.
Harry
29 May 2008 #253
Hi Boss,

I've noticed that. But some of your countrymen don't seem to get the difference.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
29 May 2008 #254
But some of your countrymen don't seem to get the difference.

It's not just "some of your countrymen". Ask anybody in UK, US, EU or pretty much anywahere in the world what the word "concentration camp" stands for. The term has become a buzz word and, is more often than not, understood as a death camp where Jews where killed.

As a self styled scribe you should at least be open to understanding of the issue. Words are supposed to be your tools of the trade. If you can't use them then you should learn a lot more before speaking up. If you understand them then you are just a repulsive polonophobe filled with hatred to anything Polish.
cyg 5 | 119
29 May 2008 #255
Well, z_darius, in fact I know where Harry makes his living, and cheap pamphlets it ain't. And he hardly rates as a "polonophobe", either.

But having said that, Harry, you did use the term "concentration camp" for Bereza, which I myself would accept if it hadn't been for Auschwitz, Buchenwald and a few other places of this type along the way. Words take on new meanings, and old ones become outdated, as I think has happened in this case.

Bereza was a horrible place, and its creators should probably roast in hell for eternity, but it was no Mauthausen.
southern 75 | 7,096
29 May 2008 #256
I know where Harry makes his living

He is producing gas in Auschwitz?
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699
29 May 2008 #257
repulsive polonophobe filled with hatred to anything Polish.

I agree.. I think hes searching for things to troll around in here.

He is producing gas in Auschwitz?

harry must be the one responsible for global warming , not the cows !

It's not just "some of your countrymen". Ask anybody in UK, US, EU or pretty much anywahere in the world what the word "concentration camp" stands for.

yep, and I really cant find anything that even supports his statements.. probably
that is why he hasnt provided links. Nazi's created them.. and pre- war,
gypsies were held in them in 1933.. that was Nazi's doing the dirty work.

I seperate the two ( germans vs Nazi's ) because like all govts we dont all
agree with how they are run, so if someone was against the Nazi's ( which there
were) I wouldnt classify them in same catagory.. Nazi's were killing machines
and dont deserve to be called human.. Germans do.. those who did oppose.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
29 May 2008 #258
The smartest thing that has been said so far, by Pat19. I loathe people who have a hack at Germany for the actions of a loonie. Look at it, he wanted an Aryan race and he destroyed many people who were classically Aryan. If that isn't stupidity, I don't know what is
z_darius 14 | 3,968
29 May 2008 #259
Well, z_darius, in fact I know where Harry makes his living, and cheap pamphlets it ain't.

He conceded that he produces 3rd rate pamphlets (for 1st rate pay). You may not be unaware of what he does in his spare time. :)

And he hardly rates as a "polonophobe", either.

If he really knows how to make a good use of words (as per your suggestions) and yet he paints Poles and Poland with the very wide brush, as he does, then it all points to him being a chronic polonophobe. There is no analysis, no thought in his posts - just childish fight to set some catch phrases in readers' minds - Poland ran concentration camps!

It's a pity that an inflamatory creature like that lives in Poland, makes a living in Poland and, and that New Warsaw Express considers it appropriate to employ such hateful individuals.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
29 May 2008 #260
The only concentration camps run by Poles were for the intellectuals to ponder on the issues of the day
cyg 5 | 119
29 May 2008 #261
It's a pity that an inflamatory creature like that lives in Poland, makes a living in Poland and, and that New Warsaw Express considers it appropriate to employ such hateful individuals.

First off, as I'm sure he'll gladly point out, we don't employ him. We're glad to have him writing a column and an occasional article for us, but that's more of a hobby than a job.

As far as "polonophobia" (a horrid word - makes us sound diseased or something) - being Polish myself, and having known Harry for a number of years, I can definitely assure you that he is nothing of what you allege. If not succumbing to national myths and having an independent point of view means you're a polonophobe, then I'm one too. Harry and I have had our share of disagreements, and I've often thought he argues points that don't really need it, but I've never felt that he has any sort of bias against Poles or Poland.

The only concentration camps run by Poles were for the intellectuals to ponder on the issues of the day

Bereza Kartuska was a concentration camp. The point is that it wasn't a death camp.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
29 May 2008 #262
So, he's a man of facts, is he?

Man, u miss sarcasm beautifully. Try and think of the word concentration in a different way and u'll see.
southern 75 | 7,096
29 May 2008 #263
Almost every country in Europe run concentration camps at that time.The Spanish,the French in colonies,the English,The Soviets,the Balkan states,almost everyone.How many countries had fascist regimes before WW2?All of them run concentration camps where they kept their political opponents.

So that Poland had concentration camps as well is nothing of importance.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
29 May 2008 #264
If not succumbing to national myths and having an independent point of view means you're a polonophobe

Agreed on succumbing to national myths, but the kind of independent thought he displays here is not much different from that which makes some people write 2+2=5.

I've never felt that he has any sort of bias against Poles or Poland.

I can't argue with you you feel or not. I feel different about him.
Here he comes across as a anti-Polish hate monger to more people than just me.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699
29 May 2008 #265
The point is that it wasn't a death camp.

nope it wasnt.. it was a prison.. every country has these to sort out criminals
who sabatoge safety.. no comparison to concentration camps which hold a
huge number of people and were meant for slav labor and or to be put to death.

The nazi's knew what they were doing when they built them.
Harry
29 May 2008 #266
But having said that, Harry, you did use the term "concentration camp" for Bereza, which I myself would accept if it hadn't been for Auschwitz, Buchenwald and a few other places of this type along the way. Words take on new meanings, and old ones become outdated, as I think has happened in this case.

Auschwitz was an extermination camp, not a concentration camp. Mauthausen was designed for extermination through labour. Bereza was, according to the standards of the day and to respected institutions and individuals like the US library of congress and Norman Davies, a concentration camp.

it was a prison.. every country has these to sort out criminals
who sabatoge safety..

Prisons are for cirminals, quite right. But criminals have committed a crime and the inmates at Bereza had been found guilty of no crime at all.

If it was a prison, why isn't the official name "Bereza prison"? Why is it officially "Bereza seculsion camp"?
cyg 5 | 119
29 May 2008 #267
Man, u miss sarcasm beautifully. Try and think of the word concentration in a different way and u'll see.

Right, I see. :-)

nope it wasnt.. it was a prison.. every country has these to sort out criminals
who sabatoge safety..

Oh, come on, a prison is where you keep criminals who have been sentenced by a court. Bereza was more like a more brutal version of Guantanamo, where you got kidnapped to if you stepped on the wrong toes and where torture and humiliation was the order of the day. Now granted many countries had places like that at the time, but that doesn't make it right, and neither does the fact that some of the people kept there were genuinely dangerous.

Auschwitz was an extermination camp, not a concentration camp.

The point it was called a concentration camp and that's the name that's stuck with that kind of place afterwards. When most people see a swastika, they are likely to think "nazis" not "the Sun". Same with "concentration camp" - the term just doesn't have the same meaning it did in Bereza's time. Right now it would be more accurate to talk about a "penal camp" or some such.
Harry
29 May 2008 #268
He conceded that he produces 3rd rate pamphlets

More lies from our favourite anti-semite. At no time did I say that. I said that I may be a 3rd rate scribe in your opinion and you might think my stuff to be 4th rate (if you ever actually read any) but I assure you I get paid 1st rate cash for doing what I do.

See the difference? Or do you just not care about truth?
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699
29 May 2008 #269
If it was a prison, why isn't the official name "Bereza prison"? Why is it officially "Bereza seculsion camp"?

seclusion camp.. lol um no, but it held political prisoners.. regarless what
you think, prior to the war and after the war. there still lurked idiots who
could and would do harm to the everyday Normal people.

and what happened in them. well prob same as now. again you cant
compare them to this one Prison.. I am sure it was taken over during war
though and made into the ( concentration camp) as everything was when
the Nazis took over Poland.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bereza_Kartuska_Detention_Camp

harry, its only a click away..

( instructions on how to find links)

take mouse and to to top of address bar...

ahh well never mind,, you wont get it anyway.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
29 May 2008 #270
More lies from our favourite anti-semite.

You are making two mistakes here:

- calling me an antisemite, which is a libel
- calling me your "favourite" antisemite, which indicates you support antisemites.


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