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"Poland's Concentration Camp" ??


z_darius 14 | 3,968
14 May 2008 #91
Why so much drama, publicity and expense.
Just do what you gotta do in private. Please!
Lukasz 49 | 1,746
14 May 2008 #92
So for the record your position is that every single Pole who worked in concentration camps from 1945 to 1956 was only doing so because she/he would have been shot for refusing.

you have my links with INTERVIEWS with Jews (threre are their names you can contact them) when they talk about some Jews who participated in what happened in communist Poland (not only in Soviet union) why you stick to your version.

You admited fact that there was Jewish Police in German occupied Poland who collaborted with Germans (to survive) Why don't you talk about Jewish nation as about villains.

that is the problem, there was no Poles who operated nazi German death camps in 1939-1944

After the war communists created their camps ... and the fact is that some Polish citizens with Jewish origin were operating them (not only Jews). This camps were political camps. For people who didn't agree with new system or for some POWs. And you have data you have names you are in Poland you have address of Jewish newspapers in Warsaw you have translators ... and you still talk the same.

During WWII 6mln people were killed in Poland 3 mln Jews and 3mln Catholics.

Ask Jews for word "sorry" for Jewish police in Poland. it is the same as you come here and talk about Poles who did ... and you want us to be sorry.

WW Deaths

how many Jews lived in Poland before the WWII ? 3 mln ? what about the rest ?
Easy_Terran 3 | 312
14 May 2008 #93
British kids are visiting the camp

It's not about the Brits. The article was titled 'Student to visit Polish concentration camps'. It was removed after bunch of people sent emails to the editor-in-chief, however in search results, it still read POLISH CC.

That's the point.
Harry
14 May 2008 #94
you have my links with INTERVIEWS with Jews (threre are their names you can contact them) when they talk about some Jews who participated in what happened in communist Poland (not only in Soviet union) why you stick to your version.

What are you babbling about. I have never denied that Jews took part in the crimes of the Communist era. So did Poles. Funny how it tends to be the Jews who get extradition attempted, eh?

You admited fact that there was Jewish Police in German occupied Poland who collaborted with Germans (to survive) Why don't you talk about Jewish nation as about villains.

Point out when I talk about the Polish nation as villans. I call the Poles who committed crimes villans, not all Poles. I've already pointed out that there are more Poles in the Righteous Among Nations than any other nationality.

that is the problem, there was no Poles who operated nazi German death camps in 1939-1944

At least in part because the Nazis wouldn't let them. You want to swap stories about how certain elements of the Polish resistance organised hunting missions to kill and/or capture Jews hiding in the forests?

After the war communists created their camps ... and the fact is that some Polish citizens with Jewish origin were opearting them (not only Jews). This camps were political camps. For people who didn't agree with new system or for some POWs.

And of course the Volksdeutsch, Poland's very bit of ethnic cleansing.

Durring WWII 6mln people were killed in Poland 3 mln Jews and 3mln Catholics.

Even the picture you yourself post shows that to be a lie. Have a real close look at the wikipedia page you took it from. Notice the bit about a million more Poles fighting for the Nazis than dying in the war from German action.

Ask Jews for word "sorry" for Jewsih police in Poland. it is the same as you come here and talk about Poles who did ... and you want us to be sorry.

'Sorry' would be too much to ask for. I'd settle for Poles not painting themselves as 100% pure innocent victims who were betrayed by the entire world.
Lukasz 49 | 1,746
14 May 2008 #95
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Żegota

During the war, Żegota was the only underground organization that was run jointly by Jews and Polish non-Jews from a wide range of political movements. Politically, the organization was formed by Polish and Jewish underground political parties.

'Sorry' would be too much to ask for. I'd settle for Poles not painting themselves as 100% pure innocent victims who were betrayed by the entire world.

how Poland look when we compare it to France ? or Hungary ? or other German occupied countries. anit semits were everywhere but it seems that Jews had some reasons when settled in Poland. and organisation Zegota shows that they were right.

I consider Poland as the most pure innocent nation durring WWII.

after WWII times were very hard and as you know hundrets thousends Polish citizens were killed. Small amout of Jews were killed as well but it is tinny minority when we compare it to catholic victims of commie regime. As I said before go to Jews in Warszawa and as them about reality after WWII before you start to talk silly things here.

And it is fact that after WWII some people had reason to find why Poles were sold for Soviets.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
14 May 2008 #96
Harry, the Poles have been trying to clean up their Communist rubbish...isn't that what some of the criticism of the Kascysnkis was about?...now what we need is to do the same in the US, as the 'neo-con' clique are children of former Trotyskyites, who are sometimes called 'red diaper babies'.
Harry
14 May 2008 #97
Small amout of Jews were killed as well but it is tinny minority when we compare it to catholic victims of commie regime.

That would be the Polish communist regime, correct?

As I said before go to Jews in Warszawa and as them about reality after WWII before you start to talk silly things here.

Seeing as how there were only 20 Jews alive in Warsaw after the Nazis left, they might not be the best people to ask.
Lukasz 49 | 1,746
14 May 2008 #98
Kaczysnki is not anti-semit

prezydent.pl/x.download?id=17526044

Some Jews were commies not all ... I wanted to show some facts related to topic we discusse here.
"Poland's Concentration Camp"???

That would be the Polish communist regime, correct?

It was Moscov puppet regime supported by Russian soldiers and some Polish commies (both with Jewish and native Polish origin) this regime was introduced by brutal force with help of Soviet army, there was no chances to be free. Look what happened in Czechoslovakia or Hungary ...

Seeing as how there were only 20 Jews alive in Warsaw after the Nazis left, they might not be the best people to ask.

I gave you links and names. you know where to look for informations.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
14 May 2008 #99
Funny how it tends to be the Jews who get extradition attempted, eh?

Maybe because per-capita there were dozens times more of them among commies then Poles... ? Maybe because they don't leave alone any case of collaboration with nazis ignoring their own huge involvement and support for no less genocidal system ?
celinski 31 | 1,258
14 May 2008 #100
'Sorry' would be too much to ask for. I'd settle for Poles not painting themselves as 100% pure innocent victims who were betrayed by the entire world.

Poland was attacked by three sides from "Nazi's", and in the east by "Soviet's". In the end Polish lost their country. What more needs to be said. Poland thought they had allies that would help but didn't. Yet Polish still fought to help them.

Polish women imprisoned under Stalin remember horrors of torture, separation from children

The women had survived a brutal six-year occupation by Nazi Germany, only to suffer under the new occupiers, dragged from their homes and families and subjected to brutal investigations on charges of spying for the West or with scheming to overthrow the new communist government.

The women were among 250,000 people arrested in Poland under early communism before Stalin died in 1953; some 23,000 were killed or died in prisons. Of those arrested, about 5,000 were women. The arrests were part of Stalin's effort to subdue Poland by terrorizing society and killing off the cultural and political elite.

newser.com/article/1A1-D8TUNOR00.html

I guess you feel the victory parade that "Stalin" excluded Polish military from was a ploy to make everyone think we were best friends. I can give you alot of artical showing what life was like even after the end of the war. Poland was no longer free to speak out or they were killed.
plk123 8 | 4,148
14 May 2008 #102
harry, why are you being such a wanker? really man.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893
15 May 2008 #103
It's not about the Brits

You brought the Brits into this, I was merely explaining the situation.

The article was titled 'Student to visit Polish concentration camps'.

The camps happened to be in Poland and exterminated 1,000,000's of Polish people so I dont actually see anything wrong with the title, what do you propose they be called

"German Concentration Camps Based in Poland which Exterminated, Polish Jews, Czechs, , Hungarians, Gypsis, French Jews, Ductch Jews, German Jews and members of the Polish Resistence Movement and any other persons who happened not to fit into Hitlers grand scheme"

BTW It's not just about Poland, there were plenty of Camps.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510
15 May 2008 #104
'Sorry' would be too much to ask for. I'd settle for Poles not painting themselves as 100% pure innocent victims who were betrayed by the entire world.

wishful thinking
z_darius 14 | 3,968
15 May 2008 #105
Seeing as how there were only 20 Jews alive in Warsaw after the Nazis left, they might not be the best people to ask.

Strange.
According to your propaganda sources Poles should have killed them.
Easy_Terran 3 | 312
15 May 2008 #106
happened to be in Poland

There was no Poland when the camps were built.

what do you propose

I don't have to propose ANYTHING. There is an official name for the camps, one that should be used. Your little sarkasm isn't funny at all.

"Following Polish request, UNESCO agrees to officially change name of WWII death camp to 'Auschwitz-Birkenau. German Nazi Concentration and Extermination Camp' to stress that Poland had no role in camp"

BTW It's not just about Poland, there were plenty of Camps.

Show me any other camp that is called this-nation's concentration camp with a stubborness of a maniac, as all former-Nazi camps on the soil of today Poland are called that way.
Lukasz 49 | 1,746
15 May 2008 #107
At least in part because the Nazis wouldn't let them. You want to swap stories about how certain elements of the Polish resistance organised hunting missions to kill and/or capture Jews hiding in the forests?

yes it is story like with Poland being German ally durring WWII

Even the picture you yourself post shows that to be a lie. Have a real close look at the wikipedia page you took it from. Notice the bit about a million more Poles fighting for the Nazis than dying in the war from German action.

as to native Germans living in Poland ... they are not considered Polish in this stats and in this link you can read about that they are added to German casulties.

the lowest estimation is 2,440,000 Polish catholic civilians killed and 3 mln Polish Jews and Polish 160 000 soldiers. In different articles we have 3 mln catholics killed in our country.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

Of course it ia about casulties in years 1939-1945 ... what about 1945-1954 ?

as to 12 jews in Warsaw. They print Jewish newspapers for Catholics ?

it is joke.
celinski 31 | 1,258
15 May 2008 #108
what do you propose they be called

Thats simple, Nazi/Soviet Concentration Camp in Nazi/Soviet Occupied Poland. Think of it this way, You own property and rent it out. The next think you know the media plastering on the front page of the paper, "Shelley Runs Wh*** House". All you did was rent it out. This is what Polish are trying to say. It's misleading to say it was a Polish Concentration Camp just as it would be for a rental you owned.
Harry
15 May 2008 #109
So you basically are taking the word of the Communist-era government when you claim that the lowest figure is 2.8 million. Nice to see you staying true to your faith. It's just a pity for you that communism ended when it did, you would have done well under that system.

It's misleading to say it was a Polish Concentration Camp

What you are still refusing to recognise Carol is that Poles ran concentration camps in Poland under the orders of the government of Poland both during and after WWII.
Easy_Terran 3 | 312
15 May 2008 #110
capture Jews hiding in the forests

Are you refering to murderous bands, like Bielskis, the Polish underground was trying to capture?
Lukasz 49 | 1,746
15 May 2008 #111
What you are still refusing to recognise Carol is that Poles ran concentration camps in Poland under the orders of the government of Poland both during and after WWII.

you are insane. You know why UNESCO changed name of this camps.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_death_camp

Concerns about the use of the term led the Polish government to request that UNESCO change the official name of Auschwitz from "Auschwitz Concentration Camp" to "former Nazi German concentration camp Auschwitz-Birkenau."[2] to make it clear that the concentration camp was operated by Germans, not Poles. On 28 June 2007 at its meeting in Christchurch, New Zealand, the World Heritage Committtee of UNESCO changed the name of the camp to "Auschwitz Birkenau. German Nazi Concentration and Extermination Camp (1940-1945)."[3][4] Previously, some media, including Der Spiegel in Germany, had called the camp "Polish".

you know that and you repeat you BS ! after talking about no Polish vicitms later about 1 mln polish vicitms fortunatly you started to talk about 2 mln catholic vicitms ... LOL

Harry do you think that Jews are wrong ? or UNESCO ?

after WWII Poles were killed in camps with much different character. and it was reslut of being sold for RUSSIANS.

Russian soldiers were imposing by brutal force new system in Poland. and yes some people used opportunity and joned them. What is interesting a lot of non-christians decided to join commies.

as to being liar read this link

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
celinski 31 | 1,258
15 May 2008 #112
Where are your numbers?

It's just a pity for you that communism ended when it did, you would have done well under that system.

Lukas would do great on the inside helping to plot Poland's taking back of their country, Great idea's there Harry.

What you are still refusing to recognise Carol

Yes as a matter of fact I am. Maybe if it was you, ok that could buy. Harry is that why you are so angry, did you run the camp?
Lukasz 49 | 1,746
15 May 2008 #113
ss

look at this photo. Jewish Police in nazi occupied Poland and German soldier.

Do you think that Jews are repsonsible for Holocaust ?

Jewish Nazi collaborators ... of course I provoke you.

as you admited Jews feared more their own police than Germans

Jews were not 100% pure and innocent

once again some pictures with Jewish nazi collaborators

pol

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Ghetto_Police

The Polish-Jewish historian and the Warsaw Ghetto archivist Emanuel Ringelblum described the cruelty of the ghetto police as "at times greater than that of the Germans, the Ukrainians and the Latvians."

fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/gallery/11548.htm

The Ordenienst, or Jewish police in Westerbork, were universally detested by camp inmates for their cruelty and role in collaborating with the Nazis.

of course it is all history

Harry think once again before you start to talk BS.
Crnogorac 3 | 111
15 May 2008 #114
150 000 Jews in Hitler's Army
just-another-inside-job.blogspot.com/2007/04/150-000-jews-in-hitlers-army.html

This bit of history was hidden from us.
Harry
16 May 2008 #115
I'm not talking about the death camps which were run during the war. I'm talking about the concentration camps which were run before and after the war: the Polish camps.

Again you are simply lying. I said no such thing

I think that you are wrong because free Poland ran its very own concentration camp before the war. You can not blame Nazis or the Soviets for that; it was a 100% Polish product.

Nice of you to make sure you get the traditional anti-semitic comment in there. Don't want to miss a chance to kick the Jews, do you?

That is the link I quoted from. Dipsh!t

Yes that's right, I've said that Jews are not pure and innocent. You however still claim that Poland is pure and innocent.

Where are your numbers?

Er, in my previous post on this very page. But they are not my numbers.

Nice try Carol but you just make yourself look even more of a fukwit when you deny that Poland ran pre and post war concentration camps. Google Bereza Kartuska and read about Poland's very own concentration camp.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
16 May 2008 #116
Don’t want to miss a chance to kick the Jews, do you?

Don't want to miss a chance to kick the Jews, do you?

Harry, the world is not about Jews and yes, there is antisemitism. Always have and always will. That anti -ism is applicable to many other nations, except that they don't whine as much as Jews do, and certainly did not make an industry out of the whining.

If you really feel Poland was so bad for the Jewish people throughout the last millennium, and if you feel there is still so much antisemitism there then what's stopping you? Can be a job. Or is is a lawsuit to get a property or two "back"? Pack your toys and get the fvck out. I'm sure they need brave soldiers in Israel. There are still plenty of Palestinian women and kids to kill or dosplace.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893
16 May 2008 #117
There was no Poland when the camps were built.

Really? what was it called, silly old me, there was I was thinking that Poland was "occupied" does that mean that there was no France or Holland?

deathcamps.info

enjoy :)
celinski 31 | 1,258
16 May 2008 #118
Most of us know that "Hitler" was attacking Poland.

"Adolf Hitler personally ordered the mass extermination"

A Gulag and Holocaust Memoir of Janina Sulkowska-Gladun

Auschwitz-Birkenau was located nearby the provincial Polish town of Oshwiecim in Galacia, and was established by order of Heinrich Himmler on 27 April 1940. Private diaries of Goebbels and Himmler unearthed from the secret Soviet archives show that Adolf Hitler personally ordered the mass extermination of the Jews - as Goebbels wrote "With regards to the Jewish question, the Fuhrer decided to make a clean sweep ..."

deathcamps.info/new_page_1.htm

Are you saying that Polish wanted to kill the Jewish and set up the camps for this purpose?
Harry
16 May 2008 #119
Yes and Hitler also personally ordered the construction of the pre-war Polish concentration camp. Er, no, it was actually Stalin who personally ordered the construction of the pre-war Polish concentration camp. Isn't that right Carol?

If you really feel Poland was so bad for the Jewish people throughout the last millennium, and if you feel there is still so much antisemitism there then what's stopping you? Can be a job.

Or it could just be that I'm not Jewish and like living in Poland. Ever considered that possibility?

Nice to see that you don't think Jews should get their pre-war property back. Do you also think that the Polish guy whose father's palace was demolished to make way for the US embassy in Warsaw shouldn't get any compensation?
Lukasz 49 | 1,746
16 May 2008 #120
Really? what was it called, silly old me, there was I was thinking that Poland was "occupied" does that mean that there was no France or Holland?

if you talk about gegraphy there will be always place like Poland. the same as Chechnya. The problem is that Poles were not runing this camps. as to your link it is nteresting that Auschwitz was build to kill Poles later it stared to kill Jews.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Ghetto_Police

Members of the Judendienstordnung did not have official uniforms (having just an armband) and were not allowed to carry guns. They were used by the Germans primarily for securing the deportation of other Jews to the concentration camps.

The Jewish Order Service was also active in some of the Nazi concentration camps.

The Polish-Jewish historian and the Warsaw Ghetto archivist Emanuel Ringelblum described the cruelty of the ghetto police as "at times greater than that of the Germans, the Ukrainians and the Latvians."

Jewish concentration camps ? Of course not, but using harrys logic ;)

Yes and Hitler also personally ordered the construction of the pre-war Polish concentration camp. Er, no, it was actually Stalin who personally ordered the construction of the pre-war Polish concentration camp.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bereza_Kartuska_detention_camp

"Place of Isolation at Bereza Kartuska") was a Polish prison for political prisoners that was operated in 1934-39 at Bereza Kartuska in the former Polesie Voivodeship (today in Belarus, near the city of Brest).

Some 16,000 persons passed through Bereza Kartuska over the period of its operation. These included members of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), Polish Communist Party (KPP) and National Radical Camp (ONR)

prison for nazis and commies.

Over the five years of the prison's operation, the total number of associated deaths is variously given as between 17 and 20

IT WAS PRISON for people who invaded Poland Nazis and Commies. Yes pre war Poland was strongly anti Nazi and anti Commie. Beautiful free Poland. :)

I am proud of it.


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