Poland and Polish Anti-Semitism, c. 1918-1939

You have to remember that Russia had a good chunk of Poland and its vicinities (e.g., Wołyń), so many Polish Żydowskiego were affected. Case in point, the unknown Chernetski known as "Antoni Jan Czarniecki" was affected. Will I ever know his birth name? Only G-d knows. All I know is that he was born in Cumań, Wołyń on the way to visit his Kiew Gubernia-residing cousin, Vilgelm Andrulevich, and resided in Lipsk nad Biebrzą until his parents converted during the pogroms.

Nickidewbear,wasn't thinking,my bad,so long as it doesn't turn into a discussion about Russia proper.

You have to imagine that some Bolshevik had their Polish and Polish Vicinity counterparts in mind when they became Bolsheviks--Daŭhinava (Dolhinov) and Suwałki (Case in point, Lipsk nad Biebrzą) had plenty of their oppressed fellow countrymen, for example.

This, if true, is astounding. Why didn't the two groups mix? Maybe the Jewish side, like the conservative Jews in Lakewood, New Jersey, wanted to just be left alone.

What's funny (not in the "ha ha" way) is that my great-great-grandparents and great-granddad did learn and speak Polish--whether they spoke Yiddish, my granduncle Tony wouldn't know, and my granddad will (unless G-d wills otherwise) never tell me. But I did ask Granduncle Tony if he even ever heard words like "Żydowski". He said that he didn't. I guess that in assimilating, they had to learn not even say "Żydowski" or similar words.

Don't hold your breath Ironside. (he really let it all out didn't he?)

rybnik


Anyway, though, it could've been judgment for Polinjah's Anti Semitism--share the same fate with the Żydowskiego, and you'll hopefully learn to never curse Israel again. Sharing such a fate did change Polish minds pretty quickly.

so why didn't the two groups assimilate?

Deuteronomy 7:1-5 and Numbers 36.

Oh I get it. You yourself don't have a clue ;)

Believe me; I have a clue. My Andrulewicz-Chernetski great-great-grandmother married a Daniłowicz-Chernetski cousin.

Then what will it take for you to share? Shall I say the secret password? Offer you the answer to the security question?

Rybnik,lol I have to admit I'm clueless in this discussion..

lol i'm trying boss, i'm tryin' :)

He won't do the homework to figure out what Poles and Jews mostly intramarried. I gave him Deuteronomy 7:1-5 and Numbers 36.

Nikidewbear,are you saying that they are forbidden to mix,based on scripture?

Yes; but if a Pole converts to Judaism or, in the case of Messianic Jews, Christianity; then he or she can marry a Jew. Remember that Rakhav the Caananite and Ruth the Moabite converted to Judaism.

Nickidewbear,Thank you,I guess I had to do some of the homework for Rybnik lol.

Yeah; and that's part of why I know that my Jewish great-great-grandparents were not ethnic Poles or Polish Lithuanians. In fact, Great-Great-Grandma got very angry when Great-Granddad wanted to marry a Jew with a Kacwin-born, gentile Catholic dad--he married her, anyway.

u da man! lol

Nickidewbear,I can see that you've really done the research,this isn't just a hobby for you.I don't think Poland is as anti Semitic as some people seem to think.I'm not saying that it doesn't exist.

That's my take on it thus far but I'm not done...........off topic p3, during my 7 years I never, ever heard a word about anything prtaining to Jews. Not once on the TV, nor on the radio nor in the paper. I only became aware of it after I came home for good. I still don't know what to make of it (maybe I should take it to another thread?)

Rybnik,I think you're right,we should take it to another thread.

They were... what ?

Everything is explained here:

kpk-toronto.org/archives/Jewish_Attitudes_Feb2011.doc

Real eye opener,you will learn a lot about jews in Poland.


I am not surprised at all,jews specially American and Israeli hate Poland and Poles with a great passion.

The link is a great read. Thanks for sharing it. I followed it from the other thread but then it was closed so I never had a chance to say anything. I would really encourage everyone to read the essay. It is very well researched and based mostly on primary Jewish sources.

That's an odd use of the term "Anusim", which is the hebrew word for the "Conversos" of Spain – Jews who pretended to become Christians in order to avoid expulsion or death. Your inappropriate use of that term, and your repeated talk about "Jeszua" and salvation makes me wonder what exactly you are. You sound like a person with identity issues. If you're a Jew, be proud and drop the Jeszua stuff. If your a christian, that's your business, but don't pretend to speak on behalf of the jews.


I'm an israeli jew and I don't hate poland or poles. Just you. With a great passion.

What proof (i.e. hard facts) do you have to support the claim that your family were ever Jewish? Just curious. Czarnecki is a typical Polish surname, so you can't go by that.

Might be one of those US mad rednecks dreaming to kick off armageddon, Protestant fundamentalists or something...

Isn't it?Here you can find a great deal of information regarding "pogroms" in 1918/19 Poland.

pawelpilarczyk.com/studjud/sj14kapi.pdf