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Poland and Polish Anti-Semitism, c. 1918-1939


OP Nickidewbear 23 | 584
26 Jun 2012 #31
You have to remember that Russia had a good chunk of Poland and its vicinities (e.g., Wołyń), so many Polish Żydowskiego were affected. Case in point, the unknown Chernetski known as "Antoni Jan Czarniecki" was affected. Will I ever know his birth name? Only G-d knows. All I know is that he was born in Cumań, Wołyń on the way to visit his Kiew Gubernia-residing cousin, Vilgelm Andrulevich, and resided in Lipsk nad Biebrzą until his parents converted during the pogroms.
p3undone 8 | 1,135
26 Jun 2012 #32
Nickidewbear,wasn't thinking,my bad,so long as it doesn't turn into a discussion about Russia proper.
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 584
26 Jun 2012 #33
You have to imagine that some Bolshevik had their Polish and Polish Vicinity counterparts in mind when they became Bolsheviks--Daŭhinava (Dolhinov) and Suwałki (Case in point, Lipsk nad Biebrzą) had plenty of their oppressed fellow countrymen, for example.
rybnik 18 | 1,461
26 Jun 2012 #34
Rarely did a Jew think it was necessary to learn Polish;

This, if true, is astounding. Why didn't the two groups mix? Maybe the Jewish side, like the conservative Jews in Lakewood, New Jersey, wanted to just be left alone.
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 584
26 Jun 2012 #35
What's funny (not in the "ha ha" way) is that my great-great-grandparents and great-granddad did learn and speak Polish--whether they spoke Yiddish, my granduncle Tony wouldn't know, and my granddad will (unless G-d wills otherwise) never tell me. But I did ask Granduncle Tony if he even ever heard words like "Żydowski". He said that he didn't. I guess that in assimilating, they had to learn not even say "Żydowski" or similar words.
rybnik 18 | 1,461
26 Jun 2012 #36
Hallo big guy ! What about an apology from you for your racist anti-Polish post ?

Don't hold your breath Ironside. (he really let it all out didn't he?)
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 584
26 Jun 2012 #37
rybnik

Ironside: Hallo big guy ! What about an apology from you for your racist anti-Polish post ?
Don't hold your breath Ironside. (he really let it all out didn't he?)

Anyway, though, it could've been judgment for Polinjah's Anti Semitism--share the same fate with the Żydowskiego, and you'll hopefully learn to never curse Israel again. Sharing such a fate did change Polish minds pretty quickly.
rybnik 18 | 1,461
26 Jun 2012 #38
so why didn't the two groups assimilate?
rybnik 18 | 1,461
26 Jun 2012 #40
Oh I get it. You yourself don't have a clue ;)
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 584
26 Jun 2012 #41
Nickidewbear: Deuteronomy 7:1-5 and Numbers 36.
Oh I get it. You yourself don't have a clue ;)

Believe me; I have a clue. My Andrulewicz-Chernetski great-great-grandmother married a Daniłowicz-Chernetski cousin.
rybnik 18 | 1,461
26 Jun 2012 #42
Believe me; I have a clue

Then what will it take for you to share? Shall I say the secret password? Offer you the answer to the security question?
p3undone 8 | 1,135
26 Jun 2012 #43
Rybnik,lol I have to admit I'm clueless in this discussion..
rybnik 18 | 1,461
26 Jun 2012 #44
lol i'm trying boss, i'm tryin' :)
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 584
26 Jun 2012 #45
Rybnik,lol I have to admit I'm clueless in this discussion.

He won't do the homework to figure out what Poles and Jews mostly intramarried. I gave him Deuteronomy 7:1-5 and Numbers 36.
p3undone 8 | 1,135
26 Jun 2012 #46
Nikidewbear,are you saying that they are forbidden to mix,based on scripture?
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 584
26 Jun 2012 #47
Yes; but if a Pole converts to Judaism or, in the case of Messianic Jews, Christianity; then he or she can marry a Jew. Remember that Rakhav the Caananite and Ruth the Moabite converted to Judaism.
p3undone 8 | 1,135
26 Jun 2012 #48
Nickidewbear,Thank you,I guess I had to do some of the homework for Rybnik lol.
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 584
26 Jun 2012 #49
Yeah; and that's part of why I know that my Jewish great-great-grandparents were not ethnic Poles or Polish Lithuanians. In fact, Great-Great-Grandma got very angry when Great-Granddad wanted to marry a Jew with a Kacwin-born, gentile Catholic dad--he married her, anyway.
rybnik 18 | 1,461
26 Jun 2012 #50
I guess I had to do some of the homework for Rybnik lol.

u da man! lol
p3undone 8 | 1,135
26 Jun 2012 #51
Nickidewbear,I can see that you've really done the research,this isn't just a hobby for you.I don't think Poland is as anti Semitic as some people seem to think.I'm not saying that it doesn't exist.
rybnik 18 | 1,461
26 Jun 2012 #52
I don't think Poland is as anti Semitic as some people seem to think.I'm not saying that it doesn't exist.

That's my take on it thus far but I'm not done...........off topic p3, during my 7 years I never, ever heard a word about anything prtaining to Jews. Not once on the TV, nor on the radio nor in the paper. I only became aware of it after I came home for good. I still don't know what to make of it (maybe I should take it to another thread?)
p3undone 8 | 1,135
26 Jun 2012 #53
Rybnik,I think you're right,we should take it to another thread.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
26 Jun 2012 #54
Grzeg, my great-great-grandparents were Anusim because of Anti Semitism.

They were... what ?
grubas 12 | 1,390
26 Jun 2012 #55
This, if true, is astounding. Why didn't the two groups mix?

Everything is explained here:

kpk-toronto.org/archives/Jewish_Attitudes_Feb2011.doc

Real eye opener,you will learn a lot about jews in Poland.

Don't hold your breath Ironside. (he really let it all out didn't he?)

I am not surprised at all,jews specially American and Israeli hate Poland and Poles with a great passion.
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
26 Jun 2012 #56
Real eye opener,you will learn a lot about jews in Poland.

The link is a great read. Thanks for sharing it. I followed it from the other thread but then it was closed so I never had a chance to say anything. I would really encourage everyone to read the essay. It is very well researched and based mostly on primary Jewish sources.
yehudi 1 | 433
26 Jun 2012 #57
Grzeg, my great-great-grandparents were Anusim because of Anti Semitism.

That's an odd use of the term "Anusim", which is the hebrew word for the "Conversos" of Spain – Jews who pretended to become Christians in order to avoid expulsion or death. Your inappropriate use of that term, and your repeated talk about "Jeszua" and salvation makes me wonder what exactly you are. You sound like a person with identity issues. If you're a Jew, be proud and drop the Jeszua stuff. If your a christian, that's your business, but don't pretend to speak on behalf of the jews.

jews specially American and Israeli hate Poland and Poles with a great passion.

I'm an israeli jew and I don't hate poland or poles. Just you. With a great passion.
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
26 Jun 2012 #58
I cannot tell you how emphatically and angrily my granddad denies being a Jew and claims to be a Polish Lithuanian who is related to the infamous Anti Semite Stefan Czarniecki

What proof (i.e. hard facts) do you have to support the claim that your family were ever Jewish? Just curious. Czarnecki is a typical Polish surname, so you can't go by that.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
26 Jun 2012 #59
Your inappropriate use of that term, and your repeated talk about "Jeszua" and salvation makes me wonder what exactly you are.

Might be one of those US mad rednecks dreaming to kick off armageddon, Protestant fundamentalists or something...
grubas 12 | 1,390
26 Jun 2012 #60
The link is a great read. Thanks for sharing it.

Isn't it?Here you can find a great deal of information regarding "pogroms" in 1918/19 Poland.

pawelpilarczyk.com/studjud/sj14kapi.pdf


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