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Do polish people know that some of them fought a war against the United States?


roca 7 | 43
16 Nov 2011 #1
In the XIX century there were a lot of European immigrants moving to the United States. A high number of immigrants came from countries such as Ireland, Poland, Germany etc. They had several reasons to immigrate, for instance the Irish were escaping because of the British occupation of their homeland.

Once they arrived in the states (the land of the freedom -sarcasm-), they suffered discrimination for being Catholics and were persecuted. When the United States declared war against Mexico, they saw the injustice and refused to attack a catholic country and switched sites and formed the 'San Patrick battalion', a battalion which fought fiercely in most of the battles against the United States and caused a very high number of casualties to the US army.

There were several poles who were part of the San Patrick battalion. So do polish people are aware of this?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick's_Battalion
time means 5 | 1,310
16 Nov 2011 #2
‘San Patrick battalion’

Lets hope Uncle Sam wiped out this treasonous bunch.

And please the British have never occupied anywhere. We were only ever visiting.
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
16 Nov 2011 #3
the Irish were escaping because of the British occupation of their homeland.

They were escaping poverty. It was never 'occupied'. More Brits than Irish went to the US - were they escaping 'occupation' too?

switched sites

Traitors and ingrates.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
16 Nov 2011 #4
A high number of immigrants came from countries such as Ireland, Poland, Germany etc.

In the 19th century a few hundred Polish soldiers from the disbanded Polish Legions of the Napoleonic Wars joined the natives in Haiti and fought for Haiti's independence. The Legions fought very well for Napoleon and faithfully but fighting to subdue a conquered people in far off Haiti wasn't in their liking. So it's all on the circumstances you see.. the US was on the Iraqi side during the Iran-Iraq War a few years later against it. Poland went to Iraq and Afghanistan got mixed up in it's war so you shouldn't be highlighting this minor thing.
BBman - | 344
17 Nov 2011 #5
Hmmm i wonder if those Poles could be considered Polish-Americans?? I also wonder if these poles took their "busias" to mexico too....

I guess i will have to wait for delphi to come back.

*waits patiently*

We were only ever visiting.

The brits visited many parts of the globe. Pity they had to murder, exploit, and terrorize so many innocent people during their "visitations."
sascha 1 | 826
17 Nov 2011 #6
And please the British have never occupied anywhere. We were only ever visiting.

and thats a lie.....commenwealth is the biggest organized theft ever made from anglo hands.
Wedle 16 | 496
17 Nov 2011 #7
you shouldn't be highlighting this minor thing.

Just a minor thing, Poles and Russians were also on the side of the Vietcong/NLF that fought the United States and South Vietnamese governments during the Vietnam War (1959–1975).
Ozi Dan 26 | 569
17 Nov 2011 #8
It was never 'occupied'.

A rose by any other name.

More Brits than Irish went to the US - were they escaping 'occupation' too?

Inconsistent comparison.

Just a minor thing, Poles and Russians were also on the side of the Vietcong/NLF that fought the United States and South Vietnamese governments during the Vietnam War (1959–1975).

Communist Poles you mean?
EM_Wave 9 | 311
17 Nov 2011 #9
I for one am very glad that Britain is now multicultural and will continue to become more diverse.
legend 3 | 664
17 Nov 2011 #10
You are insane. Call it multiculty, diversity or what you please its genocide.

White people arent invading Africa or Asia. Poland, Britain fought for 1000 years to protect this **** from happening.
Now the idiot left liberals and communists want OPEN BORDERS COME ON IN NEGRO AND ASIAN.

A huge disgrace and a side effect of zionism.
time means 5 | 1,310
17 Nov 2011 #11
I for one am very glad that Britain is now multicultural and will continue to become more diverse

Most British aren't but we have been stuffed by our political masters and you sir are a dickhead!

The brits visited many parts of the globe. Pity they had to murder, exploit, and terrorize so many innocent people during their "visitations."

That was/is the way of the world. Most countries were at it, France, Spain, Holland,Germany the list goes on it's just that some were better at it than others.
Cardno85 31 | 976
17 Nov 2011 #12
and thats a lie.

I think it was a joke.
Teffle 22 | 1,321
17 Nov 2011 #13
It was never 'occupied'.

Eh? Of course it was ?!
time means 5 | 1,310
17 Nov 2011 #14
I think it was a joke

Yep it was.
boletus 30 | 1,366
17 Nov 2011 #15
Yes, and some of them also fought on the side of Confederacy during the Civil War - estimated 1000-1500 vs 4000-6000 Poles on the Union side. For comparison Czechs were fighting mostly on the North side (**). Garibaldi's Italians , like the Poles, fought on both sides.

jstor.org/pss/20147693
JSTOR: Polish American Studies, Vol. 22, No. 2 (Jul.-Dec., 1965), pp 99-106

page 99:

POLES AND THE CONFEDERACY
Sigmund H. Uminski*

In 1861 at the outbreak of the Civil War, the Poles in the United States were estimated at 30,000. The Germans, the Irish, the French and others surpassed them in numbers. The call to arms by both the North and the South brought out hardened volunteers, the majority of whom had fought in wars of liberation on the Continent. The Polish American historian, Mieczyslaw Haiman, breaks down this effort to 4,000 for the North, and 1,000 for the South. Recent research reveals that this estimate may be revised upwards perhaps by fifty percent. This, of course, still gives a bare handful of Polish participants compared to the Germans, Irish and French.

This is followed by a description of the first official casualty of the War of Succession that was yet to begin. The 18 years old Thaddeus Strawinski was on duty in the Columbia Artillery at Fort Moultrie, when an accidental discharge of firearms seriously wounded him. He died on Ianuary 26, 1861, and the Charleston Mercury carried in its obituary of Ianuary 28, Strawinski's last words: "Friends, Oh! how sorry I am you are to attack Fort Sumter without me."

(*)Mn Uminski, a former PAHA vicepresident and currently an associate~editor of Polish-American Studies, read this essay at the Twenty-first Annual Meeting of the Association, Dec. 29, 1964, at Washington, D. C.

(**) Josef Skvorecki, a Czech-Canadian author, in his novel "The Bride of Texas" describes a little known fact of history: the formation of militia by a motley band of Czech immigrants who fought under General Sherman on his famous march to these. The novel has few interesting Polish threads as well.
hythorn 3 | 580
17 Nov 2011 #16
and thats a lie.....commenwealth is the biggest organized theft ever made from anglo hands.

Yeah, but if the Brits had not seized huge areas of the world, then the French, Dutch, Spanish (somebody else would have)
the Germans were very busy colonising East Africa at the beginning of the last century

just imagine if Spain had colonised India? They would have tried to force the Indians to convert to Catholicism at gun point
like they did in South America

As a lot of Poles ended up in North America in the cities of the North, I would have thought that there would have been

more Poles fighting for the Union than for the South
sascha 1 | 826
17 Nov 2011 #17
the Germans were very busy colonising East Africa at the beginning of the last century

they had ONE fukkin colony and that without success...

Yeah, but if the Brits had not seized huge areas of the world, then the French, Dutch, Spanish (somebody else would have)

thats an argument? who comes first is allowed just to protect from others? sorry, but that will not pass. uk is one of the biggest aggressors in history with its conquering and commenwealth...

just imagine if Spain had colonised India? They would have tried to force the Indians to convert to Catholicism at gun point
like they did in South America

so again, better you then them? hey, pls better arguments...
hythorn 3 | 580
17 Nov 2011 #18
they had ONE fukkin colony and that without success...

not without trying though
they left it quite late before they started to go down the colonisation route

you cannot compare modern day political correctness and niceness with colonial expansion of
over 200 years ago Sasha

when the Europeans were carving up the rest of the world, slavery was still very much in practice
and children of four years of age were working in factories

I believe we are starting to drift off topic a tad
sascha 1 | 826
17 Nov 2011 #19
not without trying though
they left it quite late before they started to go down the colonisation route

they started late, unseccessful and at the end the local people kicked them out by throwing their primitve armor at german soldiers... ;)

when the Europeans were carving up the rest of the world, slavery was still very much in practice
and children of four years of age were working in factories

ok, lets put it like that, your colonies were a super super supermarket with lots to offer. you took it. ok, but you left also sth. education, admin etc. not a bad calculation at all ;)

I believe we are starting to drift off topic a tad

maybe ;)

Do polish people know that some of them fought a war against the United States?

i think most of the poles dont have that detailed knowledge. its nothing bad.
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
17 Nov 2011 #20
Just a minor thing, Poles and Russians were also on the side of the Vietcong/NLF that fought the United States and South Vietnamese governments during the Vietnam War (1959–1975).

That was not a free Poland. It was a few Polish Communists in power enforced by a Soviet Army making decisions for Poland. I guarantee u a free Poland wouldn't get involved in some Vietnam War on a side against America.
sascha 1 | 826
17 Nov 2011 #21
sorry pb, but it sounds so much like today when us asked to get polish soldiers for one of their unternehmen... ;)
EM_Wave 9 | 311
17 Nov 2011 #22
Most British aren't but we have been stuffed by our political masters and you sir are a dickhead!

I'm a dickhead because I support multiculturalism? Ok...

You obviously can't be taken seriously since you're trying to justify the atrocities committed by western European colonization. Let's not forget about the Atlantic slave trade which the Dutch and British played a huge role in.
time means 5 | 1,310
17 Nov 2011 #23
multiculturalism?

Shove it up your arse!

As for your second comment it happened and trying to judge the past with your rose coloured PC glasses on is quite ridiculous.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
17 Nov 2011 #24
You obviously can't be taken seriously since you're trying to justify the atrocities committed by western European colonization.

And you obviously cant be taken seriously as you ignore the fact that every corner of the world has produced its own attrocities.

they left it quite late before they started to go down the colonisation route

Not really,it took England/Britain hundreds of years before it started colonising anywhere(go on,someone say ireland and show how little you know....), it took the germans less than two decades after the formation of germany.

Im surprised any Poles fought for the South seeing as it had Jewish people in the government.
EM_Wave 9 | 311
17 Nov 2011 #25
I don't think the Native Americans ever came to Britain killing/raping Anglo-Saxons.
time means 5 | 1,310
17 Nov 2011 #26
[quote=EM_Wave]I don't think the Native Americans ever came to Britain killing/raping Anglo-Saxons.
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No but the Normans and Vikings did.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
17 Nov 2011 #27
I don't think the Native Americans ever came to Britain killing/raping Anglo-Saxons.

Well,d'uh, they were a stone aged sociaty untill the SPANISH got to them......incidently,those non anglo saxon french and Spanish sure tried enough times and even did a couple of times. Being crap at something doesnt get you a free pass so why should being good at something produce the opposite result?

No but the Normans and Vikings did.

Dont forget the Irish, they invaded mainland Britain dozens of times before things went the other way. Same as some Scots( Led by a half Polish pretender on one occasion (see,on topic still) )) some Irish like to play the perpetual victim(kinda like another nation we all know) and conveniently forget their nations did as much invading and raping and pillaging as any other.
time means 5 | 1,310
17 Nov 2011 #28
Dont forget the Irish, they invaded mainland Britain dozens of times

Indeed, St Patrick was a captured slave from Britain.
Barney 15 | 1,472
17 Nov 2011 #29
someone say ireland and show how little you know

Ireland.
Thats why subinfeudation was changed in England about 100 years after the invasion.

If you are talking about the crown Victoria only became an Empress cos she didnt want to be out ranked by her daughter.
Wedle 16 | 496
17 Nov 2011 #30
Communist Poles you mean?

Members of the Polish military I mean.

That was not a free Poland.

Pennyboy, trying to rewrite history again, let me reiterate ' Polish Military' when you are a soldier you do what you are told, or you desert and give up.


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