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Were these Polish people communists?


dominikus28 4 | 4
24 Feb 2010 #1
I don't know if I'm posting in the right place, sorry if I am.

I just wanted to know whether Iwo Cyprian Pogonowski, Jerzy Robert Nowak, Jędrzej Giertych, Roman Dmowski, Henryk Pająk or Ks. Rydzyk were sympathetic to the communist rulers of Poland. I understand that some people may think these people are antisemitic or whatever, but that is irrelevant. I am asking because as far as I understand it, these people were Catholic and the Communist government in Poland was anticatholic (or secular, they supported atheism) so that would be kind of hypocritical of them (am I using the right word here?).

Thanks
Trevek 26 | 1,702
24 Feb 2010 #2
My history might be a bit dodgy but Dmowski was dead before communism took over Poland.

Didn't Roman Giertych's father vote in favour of martial law under Jaruzelski?
1jola 14 | 1,879
24 Feb 2010 #3
The people you listed are or were anything but sympathetic to communism. It would be interesting where you came across such a ridiculous notion.

Maciej Girtych has come up with some bizzarre statements though and he was on the wrong side in the eighties. Tfu!
jonni 16 | 2,485
24 Feb 2010 #4
a ridiculous notion.

Ridiculous indeed. All anti-communist, on the far right of the political spectrum.
convex 20 | 3,978
24 Feb 2010 #5
They weren't pro-communist, they just accepted their situation and worked within it. They also weren't actively anti-communist like many of the forgotten heroes of that time.
jonni 16 | 2,485
24 Feb 2010 #6
They also weren't actively anti-communist like many of the forgotten heroes of that time.

Exactly. With a couple of exceptions they laid low while others spoke out and caught the flak.
OP dominikus28 4 | 4
25 Feb 2010 #7
It would be interesting where you came across such a ridiculous notion.

I just thought they may be communists because I had read that most of them either supported martial law in Poland or were in the Communist party in Poland
Bzibzioh
25 Feb 2010 #8
I had read that most of them either supported martial law in Poland

Roman Dmowski? I think you are confused.
jonni 16 | 2,485
25 Feb 2010 #9
Yes. He would have been about 120 at the time.
OP dominikus28 4 | 4
25 Feb 2010 #10
Roman Dmowski? I think you are confused.

No not Dmowski. Jędrzej Giertych apparently supported the introduction of martial law in Poland. Henryk Pająk was a member of the Communist party. Jerzy Robert Nowak was an informant of the Communist Secret Police. So I've read...

Bzibzioh
No not Dmowski. Jędrzej Giertych apparently supported the introduction of martial law in Poland. Henryk Pająk was a member of the Communist party. Jerzy Robert Nowak was an informant of the Communist Secret Police. So I've read...
Bzibzioh
27 Feb 2010 #11
No not Dmowski.

So why you mentioned him in your first post?
OP dominikus28 4 | 4
27 Feb 2010 #12
I mentioned him because I know that Jerzy Robert Nowak and Iwo Cyprian Pogonowski shared his views. I also know that Jerzy was a communist informant and Henryk Pajak was part of the communist party. So I wonder why someone who is a communist party member or informant would be against communism. I mentioned these people because their support each others views etc.
Varsovian 92 | 634
27 Feb 2010 #13
Jędrzej Giertych wasn't a Communist himself, but he was an opportunist and wanted to get on in life. It's no surprise that one grandson became a fascist and was actually quite a good education minister (that shows just how bad the others have been!!) and another a partner in a leading foreign accountancy firm in Poland. A grand-daughter was lusted after by a friend of mine - but she became a mother superior!
jonni 16 | 2,485
27 Feb 2010 #14
and was actually quite a good education minister

He wanted to reintroduce school uniforms which was the most sensible idea he had, but he'll always be remembered as the cretin who wanted to remove the Polish classic 'Ferdydurke', the only Polish novel of international repute, from the school curriculum.
Varsovian 92 | 634
27 Feb 2010 #15
I bet you have no present-day connection with secondary schooling, do you?
The required reading list is outrageously long.

The reading list was a cause celebre for luvvies ...
jonni 16 | 2,485
27 Feb 2010 #16
The required reading list is outrageously long

And so it should be. Shame the stuff he took out was among the best of it.

I bet you have no present-day connection with secondary schooling, do you?

Actually....

The reading list was a cause celebre for luvvies ...

The intelligentsia were rightly outraged.


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