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What nation do Poles feel closer to?


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14 Mar 2011  #31
The reason why Hungary or any other non-neighbour of Poland is more popular than Germany or any other neighbour is that they are in a "safe distance" and had never posed or pose a threat.

You should read up on the Austro-Hungarian Compromise of 1867.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,767
14 Mar 2011  #32
And that helped Poland during the partitions how?
And in WWII? And during the communist time???
MediaWatch 10 | 945
15 Mar 2011  #33
The reason why Hungary or any other non-neighbour of Poland is more popular than Germany or any other neighbour is that they are in a "safe distance" and had never posed or pose a threat.

Its kind of like the good relationship between Serbia and Russia?

BB, what country does Germany feel closest to? France, Austria?
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,767
15 Mar 2011  #34
Its kind of like the good relationship between Serbia and Russia?

Yeah...kind of. If they would had bordered Russia for some centuries they would be quite anxious as most other close neighbours still are...

BB, what country does Germany feel closest to? France, Austria?

It's regional different....the Rhine region more french (there is a huge historical overlap with for example Alsace/Lorraine but there is also the Saarland which voted to stay with Germany and not with France), Bavarians more to Austria (they are more or less the same anyhow), the north western region more to the English and the eastern region...hmmm...dunno...;)

Well the baltic coast feels near the other coast countries and Scandinavia I think...
chichimera 1 | 186
15 Mar 2011  #35
Hungarians.

I've got Hungarian friends and find them very close to Poles in everything... except the language. I've tried to learn a bit of it, but oh boy, the language is scary.
Torq 26 | 2,371
15 Mar 2011  #36
Hungary - The Rest of the World 8:0 :)

Des Essientes, Marynka11, 1jola, PennBoy, MediaWatch, Polonius3, chichimera and my humble self
stated the obvious, really :)
NomadatNet 1 | 457
15 Mar 2011  #37
Geographically and linguistically, to Slavic countries (most of neighbours are Slavs, aren't they?)

Religiously and economically, to Germany.

Historically, to Hungary (first kingdoms are relatives of Hungary, aren't they.)

Militarily, to US-UK (also to Russia.)

Work effortly, to China. (Poles are hard workers in Europe.)

Beauty making effortly, to Greece (seems there are many Aphrodites in Poland.)

Conceptually, to Turk. (Pole and Turk are concepts rather than races. That's, mixture of everythings from race to religion to etc.)

Don't be closer to Serbs, they can teach only one good thing, basketball.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,767
15 Mar 2011  #38
Work effortly, to China.

Really???

Conceptually, to Turk.

Interesting...
NomadatNet 1 | 457
15 Mar 2011  #39
Really. Poles I know of are working like Chinese people on day life. In that sense, Poles differ from other Europeans who are mostly lazy people who are after quick easy money. However, Poles differ in night life. Chinese are more family dependent people at nights.

Conceptually, yes, Pole is a concept just like Turk is. Pole is a newer concept while Turk is an older concept.
OP southern 75 | 7,096
15 Mar 2011  #40
Turk is an unfortunate concept.
Crow 137 | 7,632
15 Mar 2011  #41
Polish-Turkish relationship thru image >>>
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,767
15 Mar 2011  #42
Poles differ from other Europeans who are mostly lazy people who are after quick easy money.

Really!
Zman
15 Mar 2011  #43
I seem to be utterly lazy and am after quick money and I am as polish as can be! :-)
MediaWatch 10 | 945
15 Mar 2011  #44
and the eastern region...hmmm...dunno...;)

LOL

So the cat got your tongue on that one??

And what about...... the eastern region of Germany?? eh??

You're funny BB. ;)
chichimera 1 | 186
15 Mar 2011  #45
NomadatNet: Work effortly, to China.

Really???

Not really. Poles expect a bit bigger salary for their hard work and also are very much concerned with their rights as employees.

Religiously and economically, to Germany.

Really???

Des Essientes, Marynka11, 1jola, PennBoy, MediaWatch, Polonius3, chichimera and my humble self
stated the obvious, really :)

On 23 March I'm going to paint myself red, white and green and go drinking and saber-fighting
Mr Grunwald 19 | 1,542
16 Mar 2011  #46
Interesting...

While nowadays Germans can take theirself back to Germania or the Holy Roman Empire, Poles&Poland came to being when a bunch of tribes got together. What we have today doesn't have too much in common with the tribes back then. While Germans have no problem in seeign themselves as "Germanians" in those times. Poles like to think of themselves more like Polish knights, uprisers or freedom fighters.

The concept of Poland is more of an idea then based on facts. There were regions that weren't too clturally similar that united together. While German people were united, then went to their own principality's and kingdoms and after a while united into Germany.

If we follow the idea about the concept about Poland and Poles we "could" say Ukrainians could be Poles or Slovaks could be Poles for that matter IF they wanted. BUT they clearly do not want that :=)

Also the "relax" rules to what reqires to be a Pole made many Lithuanians,Ruthinians, Germans, Tatars, Jews and even some Russians into nowadays Poles! in the gene pool Poland is a mixed bunch but if you count by soul&spirit. Their one ;)

One of the reason Catholicism is important in Poland

Really!

Greed, status and pride in one big mix ;)

Religiously and economically, to Germany.

Religiously?! The borders of Germany that were bordering Poland was allways protestant per say! Religiously Poland is more connected to Lithuania!
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,767
24 Mar 2011  #47
Hungary - The Rest of the World 8:0 :)

More about Hungary:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A1l_Schmitt

In addition to his native Hungarian, Pál Schmitt speaks German, French and English[2] His family name Schmitt is German for smith, indicating a German family background.

Heh:)
Torq 26 | 2,371
24 Mar 2011  #48
Pál Schmitt

President Pál Schmitt, together with Polish president Bronisław Komorowski, was celebrating
the Polish-Hungarian Friendship Day during his official visit to Poland. The presidents unveiled
a commemorative plaque in Warsaw to honour the Hungarian help for Poland during Polish-Soviet
war.

The inscription on the plaque, in Polish and Hungarian, says:

"In tribute to Hungarian nation, that showed friendship and help to Rzeczpospolita in
the mortal danger it faced during the bolshevik aggression. In the decisive moment of the
struggle on 12th August 1920, the transport of 22 million rifle rounds, from Manfred Weiss
factory in Budapest, arrived in Skierniewice.

Overall, from 1919 to 1921 the government of the Kingdom of Hungary supported Poland with
nearly 100 million rifle rounds, enormous amounts of artillery ammo, equipment and war materials.

Grateful nation of Poland."

Some of you may not be aware of the fact that Hungarians offered military help for Poland,
to repel the Soviet invasion, but the government of Czechoslovakia didn't allow Hungarian
divisions to be transported through their territory.

Glory to our Hungarian brothers and let the Eternal Friendship between Poland and Hungary flourish forever!



Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,767
24 Mar 2011  #49
Glory to our Hungarian brothers and let the Eternal Friendship between Poland and Hungary flourish forever!

You could have mentioned Germany which gave such great pal to Hungary to be friend with Poland! *pouts and feels left out*
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
24 Mar 2011  #50
but the government of Czechoslovakia didn't allow Hungarian
divisions to be transported through their territory.

err.....fukcing cocksuckers
nott 3 | 594
24 Mar 2011  #51
Torq

Torq, but they must've done something bad to Poles or Poland? Everybody did. Except Slovaks. And Serbs. And Bulgarians. But except of them, everybody. This is a serious question, you're an expert, so what was bad between Poles and Hungarians? Must've been something.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
24 Mar 2011  #52
so what was bad between Poles and Hungarians? Must've been something.

They shot Pan Wolodyjowski but he recovered.
nott 3 | 594
24 Mar 2011  #53
Did they? Bastards... but this wasn't true, I know. Be serious.
Torq 26 | 2,371
24 Mar 2011  #54
Except Slovaks.

Erm... one of the first things that Slovakia did, after becoming an independent country, was to invade
Poland alongside Hitler.

And Serbs. And Bulgarians.

They're OK, but they were always too pro-Russian to be considered true friends of Poland.

you're an expert

No, I'm not.

Must've been something.

I'm not aware of anything bad that Hungarians did to Poles or Poland, whilst I know of many
good things that they did, so I will keep rooting for the Eternal Polish-Hungarian Friendship :)
OP southern 75 | 7,096
24 Mar 2011  #55
Personally as a Greek I feel very close to Serbs.I would say that Slavs are the good neighbours while Albos and Turks are the sh1tty neighbours.
nott 3 | 594
24 Mar 2011  #56
Erm... one of the first things that Slovakia did, after becoming an independent country, was to invade Poland alongside Hitler.

Eh, a Slovak invasion. They just popped in for a drink.

You are worse than Harry, Torq. Another myth busted just like that.

I'm not aware of anything bad that Hungarians did to Poles or Poland

This is not a healthy situation. Maybe we should partition Slovakia and just wait for a couple of years.

Really nothing? Wait a minute, what about that king after Kazimierz Wielki? He disrespected us. He didn't even show up here, did he?

Ah, and Austro-Hungary. They partitioned us.
Torq 26 | 2,371
24 Mar 2011  #57
He didn't even show up here, did he?

He did show up for the coronation :)

Ah, and Austro-Hungary. They partitioned us.

Seeing as the last partition of Poland took place in 1795 and Austro-Hungary - the union
between the crowns of the Austrian Empire and the Kingdom of Hungary, was created as a result
of the Austro-Hungarian Compromise of 1867, it would have been quite difficult for Austro-Hungary
to partition us :)
grandson - | 5
24 Mar 2011  #58
I like Chechs. They are very nice.
nott 3 | 594
24 Mar 2011  #59
He did show up for the coronation :)

Oh, and the Slovaks showed up for invasion. I don't hold it against him. So this is sorted? The Hungarian king disrespected the whole Polish nation. Tick. :)

partition of Poland took place in 1795 and Austro-Hungary - (...) 1867,

They opportunistically exploited the fruits of the Austrian lowly and cowardly crime of murdering a... oh, the proud and ancient state of Poland. Innit.

Seriously, BratBoy has a point about us not having common border, mostly. But lack of reasons to hate each other is hardly a working foundation for friendship. Not in private life, not between nations. We do not love the Swiss, do we, although we do not hate nor despise them. Thus only your suggestion of similar mentalities bears some resemblance to valid explanation. But what would those common national features be then? I know it's difficult. I mean, I think so.

I don't mind three screen rants nor links to academical analyses nor whatever that might shed more light. Come to thing of it, it is a really interesting phenomenon.

Like, they sent us ammo in 1920, as you say. From what I know nobody else did, but the French tried, and the Brits tried, only the transports were held up by rebelling German workers, another reason to hate the Krauts. And I do not consider Marshall Foch a contribution. But that's about it. And we sent them Bem before, so they just paid back.

We do not love Finns, Estonians, Norwegians, although we do respect them, I believe. Similar distance.

So? They drink wine, not strong spirits. They can't speak intelligibly. They sing better under influence. They showed us how to make goulash, but they laugh at Polish-made goulash. They put paprika in everything...
Torq 26 | 2,371
24 Mar 2011  #60
Well, I can see that you are genuinely interested in the subject, Nott. Read Marian Zdziechowski's
"Węgry i dookoła Węgier" and "Węgierski łącznik" by Paweł Cebula and Grzegorz Górny - it should

shed some light on your doubts and finally make you realize that, at the end of the day, lengyel magyar
– két jó barát együtt harcol s issza borát! :)


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