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SeanBM 35 | 5,808
18 Apr 2010 #31
I can also see Austria on the map - they didn't make it.
And there are Hungary on the map - they made it.

And France, Netherlands, Belgium, Austria, Denmark are all North or West of Poland.

Azerbaijan, Russia, Ukraine, Hungary, Morocco are all South or East of Poland.

Oh and look Iceland is in the North-West and the wind is blowing this way...

What do you think will happen when Wałensa dies? same again?
convex 20 | 3,978
18 Apr 2010 #32
Is it possible to see volcanic ash ? I've just been talking to someone in the Netherlands who said they have clear skies. We have clear sky here too.

Often not visible, especially from the ground.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,443
18 Apr 2010 #33
Who's blaming them?

you, indirectly.

I'm just saying they have no balls and/or don't give a toss about relations with Poland ;)

You don't know what went into a decision pro or against flying into Poland for the funeral. But you are welcome to make speculations, because this is what you are doing.

Vulcano ash spread to such a degree does not happen very often and if some governments decide against flying, I am really not surprised, because they are being extra careful.

Do you know how many airports have been closed, or how many flights have been cancelled? it was a total mess and I can only imagine how it would be, because I got stranded in London once because of the fog and it was a disaster, so I can imagine what happened with the ash. I looks like you have never had your flight cancelled.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
18 Apr 2010 #34
You don't know what went into a decision pro or against flying into Poland for the funeral. But you are welcome to make speculations, because this is what you are doing.
Vulcano ash spread to such a degree does not happen very often and if some governments decide against flying, I am really not surprised, because they are being extra careful.

Also, why should they come? why is he being buried in the Wawel?

I think Wałensa's death would warrent this response but not this, as tragic as it is.

Sorry but that is how I feel.
Crow 146 | 9,142
18 Apr 2010 #35
Polish-Moroccan mutual relations

i presume those relations are very good

Poles likes to go to Morocco as tourists from time to time and Moroccans likes to come to Poland from time to time. So, Moroccans come and then as all decent people go back to their homes to Morocco. Who wouldn`t love them
OP Torq
18 Apr 2010 #36
LOL

People, people... you're all like kids' toys - so easy to wind-up :)

And France, Netherlands, Belgium, Austria, Denmark are all North or West of Poland.

Netherlands made it, Belgium didn't - conclusion?

Austria is South of Poland and a big chunk of it is further East than Polish westernmost lands.
Hungary made it anyway.

You can travel from Denmark to Poland by ferry or drive in a car - take a look at the map.

In all fairness - some countries used the ash as an excuse and that's obvious.
I don't give a flying (pun intended) f**k though - just trying to wind yous
up a little bit ;)
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,443
18 Apr 2010 #37
Also, why should they come?

good point. The irony is that some maybe learning a lesson about taking even less risks when flying.

why is he being buried in the Wawel?

I don't know, I personally have no problem with that.

I think Wałensa's death would warrent this response but not this, as tragic as it is.

there is a possibility. I really don't know, since it is hard to predict the reaction of others really:).

Sorry but that is how I feel.

nothing to be sorry about. I still think that there was a tragedy, but the degree to hysteria, even tough not surprising, is quite .......I cannot even find a word to describe it.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
18 Apr 2010 #38
The irony is that some maybe learning a lesson about taking even less risks when flying.

Yep

I don't know, I personally have no problem with that.

I don't mind it, it isn't my country, I just think it's over the top.
Same as all world leaders are expected to risk themselves, even if the risk is minimal, to come to see the funeral of the president not the Taoiseach.

there is a possibility. I really don't know, since it is hard to predict the reaction of others really:).

I think it will definitely get the world's attention when he dies but I am unsure how Polish people will react.

I still think that there was a tragedy, but the degree to hysteria, even tough not surprising, is quite .......I cannot even find a word to describe it.

Agreed completely.

just trying to wind yous
up a little bit ;)

You rascal :)

Roll on Monday!!
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,443
18 Apr 2010 #39
People, people... you're all like kids' toys - so easy to wind-up :)

the only kid here is you.

In all fairness - some countries used the ash as an excuse and that's obvious.
I don't give a flying (pun intended) f**k though - just trying to wind yous
up a little bit ;)

OP Torq
18 Apr 2010 #40
You rascal :)

Talking about winding people up - Vatican didn't send his delegation.
Cardinal Sodano cancelled his trip - "because of the ash", naturally.

How about we send the cardinal a letter asking him what was he afraid of?
Surely, as a cardinal, he would go straight to Heaven if the plane crashed?
Such luck of trust in God's Providence shown by the Cardinal is truly appalling :)
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
18 Apr 2010 #41
Such luck of trust in God's Providence shown by the Cardinal is truly appalling :)

The nail head on the hit right :)
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,443
18 Apr 2010 #42
I just think it's over the top.

yep

Same as all world leaders are expected to risk themselves, even if the risk is minimal, to come to see the funeral of the president not the Taoiseach.

yep, I actually find this disrespectful to all the victims of the crash and their families to even talk about it, but that is my opinion. If one was really grieving the loss, as some clam, they would not have enough energy to pay attention to who was coming and who was not.

I think it will definitely get the world's attention when he dies but I am unsure how Polish people will react.

he is values more abroad then in his won country from what I understand.
OP Torq
18 Apr 2010 #43
If one was really grieving the loss, as some clam, they would not have enough energy to pay attention to who was coming and who was not.

Ouch!

*bullc**p, but vicious, spiteful and prickly - well done, aphro! :)*
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
18 Apr 2010 #44
Ouch!

The truth hurts, maybe not as much as jumping on a bike with no saddle but it hurts ;p
OP Torq
18 Apr 2010 #45
lol

Anyway - if someone from my close family died, I would be really grieving the loss,
but still I would pay attention which family members and friends appeared at the
funeral. It's obvious. However, I commend aphro for his lovely spitefulness :)
time means 5 | 1,310
18 Apr 2010 #46
Anyway

Thousands of people in Trafalger square watching the service live on a huge screen adorned with a big Polish flag. Various speakers including a Mr Milliband. Or we forgiven Torq?
richasis 1 | 420
18 Apr 2010 #47
They put to shame many of the delegations who used the dust cloud as a convenient
excuse not to attend the funeral of late Polish president Lech Kaczyński.

Absolutely Right, IMO. Why couldn't Air Force One simply fly Westward?
OP Torq
18 Apr 2010 #48
Or we forgiven Torq?

All right, all right - you're forgiven :)
time means 5 | 1,310
18 Apr 2010 #49
you're forgiven :)

Good man ;-)
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,443
18 Apr 2010 #50
*bullc**p, but vicious, spiteful and prickly - well done, aphro! :)*

The truth hurts, maybe not as much as jumping on a bike with no saddle but it hurts ;p

yep.
OP Torq
18 Apr 2010 #51
So - you wouldn't pay attention who came to the funeral of your family member?
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,443
18 Apr 2010 #52
me? NO. I lost my mother 4 years ago and I still don't remember who was at the funeral and who was not. Honest. I was too upset to see or care, but people grieve differently:).
richasis 1 | 420
18 Apr 2010 #53
Torq:
Such luck of trust in God's Providence shown by the Cardinal is truly appalling :)

The nail head on the hit right :)

Indeed...besides, probably took the Rabbis' cue...
guzzler 1 | 88
19 Apr 2010 #54
In the fullness of time it will be all blamed on the Ashkenazi's.
Abdel - | 1
22 Apr 2010 #55
i see now it's time for election a man or woman-"why not"-, who the nice Polonian deserve. passing this circumstance 's very important for you. and substutation will have the bigest responsability .However never dangerous if you do somthing of noblesse, that's a modest of things that we must done with a friend hurted country.I 'm talking about our prime minister even i don't agree with him about management of some policy files, but he get now a big square of my respect,... i not voting him next election:))

so i would thank you for all comment that, make me proud of this sign.

& Long life Polska
Abdelillah
simple Moroccan one :))
OP Torq
22 Apr 2010 #56
Hi, Abdel! Welcome to PolishForums. After the honourable and brave deed of your
prime minister, many people in Poland feel a lot of admiration and respect to your
country. Now, we know that we have friends in Morocco and Poles have good
memories. Nothing's forgotten! Long live Polish-Moroccan friendship!
skysoulmate 14 | 1,296
22 Apr 2010 #57
not to attend the funeral of late Polish president Lech Kaczyński.

With all due respect as an airline pilot I disagree with your contention.

First of all Morocco was not in the path of the ash (a previous post points it out, the ash coverage map which changes by the hour).

Second of all, would you still call it bravery if all three engines of the Falcon were to flame out and the front windshields became impossible to see through? [ash is like glass/diamond particles which sand-blast the windshields]

The reason airlines are as cautious as the are is because of previous incidents.

Here is a British 747 which lost all 4 engines and miraculously restarted one or two at a much lower altitude; they didn't think they were even close to the ash.

...

Yes, I'm glad they were able to attend. However, they didn't put anyone else "to shame" as their geographical location was in their favor. I am certain that had Morocco been located farther north they would not attend.

I wish the funeral had been delayed by a week or so. In my view that'd have been the smartest thing to do.

PS. Off the subject - I've only been to Morocco one and it seemed to be a very lovel country and the food and the hospitality was absolutely great.
convex 20 | 3,978
22 Apr 2010 #58
I wish the funeral had been delayed by a week or so. In my view that'd have been the smartest thing to do.

No reason to delay it for foreign delegations. The families needed to bury their dead.
skysoulmate 14 | 1,296
22 Apr 2010 #59
The families needed to bury their dead.

I see your point but after all this was a national tragedy, not just a family tragedy. Not sure what the proper thing to do would've been but flying through the ash wasn't one of them. Glad Morocco delegation didn't have to worry about that (location) and made it in.
convex 20 | 3,978
22 Apr 2010 #60
How about we send the cardinal a letter asking him what was he afraid of?

Like the Popemobile. Lots of faith there.

I see your point but after all this was a national tragedy, not just a family tragedy. Not sure what the proper thing to do would've been but flying through the ash wasn't one of them.

Of course, but first it was a family tragedy. Most reasonable people accept that some leaders couldn't make it due to circumstances beyond their control. And no one knew at the time whether the ash would clear up.


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