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Polish-Moroccan mutual relations


Torq
18 Apr 2010 #1
I mentioned that in another thread but ONCE AGAIN I would like to express
my respect to the honour and bravery of the Moroccan delegation who flew their
small Falcon 50 at low attitude, below the dust cloud and landed, yesterday
at 5pm in Kraków.


Moroccan Falcon 50:

They put to shame many of the delegations who used the dust cloud as a convenient
excuse not to attend the funeral of late Polish president Lech Kaczyński.

It has to, and I mean HAS TO be taken into account by Polish politicians and businessmen.
I'd like to see more co-operation between Poland and Morocco in the future and more
Polish companies investing there and strenthening the ties between our countries.

As for me - I already know where I will go for my next holidays.

LONG LIVE POLISH-MOROCCAN FRIENDSHIP AND CO-OPERATION!
krakowiak
18 Apr 2010 #2
I've made a backpack&tent trip in Maroc two years ago in april. We were 3, me a Czech and an German friend. There were still only few toutist around and the local people are really friendly, especially in the rural areas.
OP Torq
18 Apr 2010 #3
Sounds like fun! Thanks for the information, Krakowiak. In which language did you
communicate with the locals? I speak French but I'm afraid my kowledge of Berber
and Arabic is quite basic.

I'm going there for sure - I have to see the country that produces such brave
and honourable people.

Did anyone read a good book about Morocco - it's people and history?

I'd be grateful for the recommendation.

Thanks again to our Moroccan friends! Brave, honourable people!
Seanus 15 | 19,706
18 Apr 2010 #4
Scotland loves Morocco! Why? Well, Rabat of course ;) ;)

I'm off to Casablanca :)
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
18 Apr 2010 #5
Well, Rabat of course

I'm afraid not everybody will understand that joke, Seanus ;)

They put to shame many of the delegations who used the dust cloud as a convenient
excuse not to attend the funeral of late Polish president Lech Kaczyński.

It has to, and I mean HAS TO be taken into account by Polish politicians and businessmen.
I'd like to see more co-operation between Poland and Morocco in the future and more
Polish companies investing there and strenthening the ties between our countries.

Oh come on Torq, pls.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
OP Torq
18 Apr 2010 #6
Scotland loves Morocco!

Poland loves Morocco too!

I'm afraid not everybody will understand that joke, Seanus ;)

Poles will :)
Pepeczki - | 32
18 Apr 2010 #7
Yeah, Moroccans are very friendly. Especially if you're European. They will try to use you as a vehicle to emigrate.

I would love to see Poland strenghtening ties with Morocco. After all, Poland is the only country that hasn¡t been culturally enriched by them.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
18 Apr 2010 #8
Poles will :)

I am not sure about that either.

Poland loves Morocco too!

What's with the "brotherly love" thing and all? I know you're a bit emotional currently, but hey, the heat of the moment will die down sooner than you think and then what? Are Moroccans again just some filthy, lazy, Islamic North Africans?

>^..^<

M-G (just saying that this should be a lasting feeling, not just because sth terrible has happened)
OP Torq
18 Apr 2010 #9
Are Moroccans again just some filthy, lazy, Islamic North Africans?

No, they're honourable, brave and kind-hearted people forever! They are an asset
to the humanity and their religion. Long live Morocco! Long live Polish-Moroccan
friendship!
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
18 Apr 2010 #10
I am afraid that many of your fellow countrymen will not share that view once the heat has died down.

>^..^<

M-G (friendship between PL and MA is good, but it won't last, I'm pretty sure of that)
Pepeczki - | 32
18 Apr 2010 #11
No, they're honourable, brave and kind-hearted people forever! They are an asset
to the humanity and their religion.

LOOOOOL

Seldom never have I read something so naive and silly.
OP Torq
18 Apr 2010 #12
Seldom or never?
OP Torq
18 Apr 2010 #14
Interesting :) Oh, well - I guess that precision is often always lacking in our posts.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
18 Apr 2010 #15
Well, I know a couple of teachers who lived in Poland, then went on to work in Casablanca. They enjoyed their stay initially but found unstable elements and suspicion amongst some people there. You get that everywhere but it is of a specific type.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
18 Apr 2010 #16
In fairness now, Morocco, Russia and Ukraine are all in a different direction to the ash.

dsgfdfxgvzdcf
OP Torq
18 Apr 2010 #17
I don't know, Sean - the photo you posted is from 15th April.
Moroccan delegation flew in yesterday and the press wrote
that they flew on a low attitude specifically to avoid the ash.
convex 20 | 3,978
18 Apr 2010 #18
See Torq, and this is something that you support? This is exactly the stupid risk taking that leads people to die in aviation. I'm guessing you'd be in the "pilot was a coward" camp had he diverted and missed the Katyn ceremony.
OP Torq
18 Apr 2010 #19
See Torq, and this is something that you support? This is exactly the stupid risk taking that leads people to die in aviation.

There was no ash below 5000 metres - so they flew on that altitude. Where's risk in that?

I'm guessing you'd be in the "pilot was a coward" camp had he diverted and missed the Katyn ceremony.

You're guessing wrongly.
convex 20 | 3,978
18 Apr 2010 #20
There was no ash below 5000 metres - so they flew on that altitude. Where's risk in that?

What happens if you hit IMC, you can't get on top of it... What happens if you do hit ash? It does eventually come down.

You're guessing wrongly.

So you would have been in the "at least the pilot was safe" camp?
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
18 Apr 2010 #21
Okay, well then look at the map of Europe, there's Iceland and Morocco.
convex 20 | 3,978
18 Apr 2010 #22
And on a side note, do you think the King would have flown?
OP Torq
18 Apr 2010 #23
So you would have been in the "at least the pilot was safe" camp?

Yes, I would have been in the "at least the pilot was safe" camp, because fog on the
ground and lack of proper instruments on the airfield is much less safer than some cloud
of ash which was for most of the time yesterday on the altitude of 10-12 kilometres
(upper limit) 6.1 kilometre (lower limit), so flying on the altitude of 5 kilometres was
completely safe.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
18 Apr 2010 #24
I have a question, when Wałensa dies will there be so much media and world attention?

I think there'll be world attention but I am not sure if Poland will feel the same.

I suppose it also depends on how he dies, in his bed of old age or in a plane going to Russia to commemorate a massacre.
convex 20 | 3,978
18 Apr 2010 #25
For some reason in Germany the restriction is 10,000 ft....
OP Torq
18 Apr 2010 #26
Okay, well then look at the map of Europe, there's Iceland and Morocco.

Wow! Thanks for the map, Sean.

I can see France on that map - they didn't make it. I can also see Netherlands,
they made it (as opposed to Belgium who couldn't because of the ash).
We can learn many interesting things just by looking on the map. Azerbadijan
made it, but Denmark couldn't make such a dangerous trip - yeah, we should
just look on the map :)

And on a side note, do you think the King would have flown?

Are you saying the King was just trying to get rid of the Prime Minister in such way? :)
Wroclaw 44 | 5,385
18 Apr 2010 #27
Is it possible to see volcanic ash ? I've just been talking to someone in the Netherlands who said they have clear skies. We have clear sky here too.

The weather map does not measure up with the reality of what i and others can see.

just an observation.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,443
18 Apr 2010 #28
some countries are willing to take more risk then others and I would never blame other countries for not flying into Poland if they were afraid that that in any way would increase the risk of the crash.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
18 Apr 2010 #29
Wow! Thanks for the map, Sean.

I thought you might like it :)

Is it possible to see volcanic ash ?

Clear skies south of Krakow.
OP Torq
18 Apr 2010 #30
The Map

I can also see Austria on the map - they didn't make it.
And there is Hungary on the map - they made it.

Thanks again for posting that map, Sean - educating indeed :)

I would never blame other countries for not flying into Poland if they were afraid

Who's blaming them? I'm just saying they have no balls and/or don't give a toss about relations with Poland ;)


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