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Why Is Lipsk nad Biebrzą Called "Lisko Orliscko"?


Looker - | 1,022
2 Mar 2015  #2
I couldn't find any source where it states that the Lipsk nad Biebrzą is/was called "Lisko Orliscko". Just couple of genealogy pages with your info. I checked also Lisko Orlisko, Lipsko Orlisko (Orliscko doesn't sound Polish) with same result. Google practically knows nothing, sorry.
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 569
2 Mar 2015  #3
My granduncle (of blessed memory) told me that Lipsko was called "Lisko Orliscko":

When I e-mailed Lipsko, they told me the following:

Z pisma wynika że chodzi o Lipsko nad Biebrzą w okolicach Suwałk .Tam też jest Urząd Gminy i tam proszę kierować swoje zapytania. Z poważaniem Tomasz Kosno

With Google Translate, it's:

The letter shows that it is a Lipsko on the Biebrza in the vicinity of Suwalki. There also is the council and there please direct your inquiries. Sincerely, Thomas Kosno

jon357 63 | 14,124
2 Mar 2015  #4
Instead of "a Lipsko on the Biebrza" it should just read "Lipsko nad Biebrza" (the name of the town). The name your relative gave it could just be an old (and possibly forgotten) description "the eagles' Lipsko". Think of the Hoosier State, the Garden of England, etc.
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 569
2 Mar 2015  #5
He got the name from Great-Granddad or someone else. Great-Granddad was born in Cumań, his mother in Bossę, and his father in Lipsk.
jon357 63 | 14,124
3 Mar 2015  #6
Probably a very old name then, or even a nickname/description (the fact that it rhymes suggests it could be).

Though names (especially official ones) often changed in PL over the years.
ShortHairThug - | 1,103
3 Mar 2015  #7
Read about the history of Lesko alias Olesco known as Lisko prior to 1926 Yiddish Linsk a town in south-eastern Poland, seems that you have your towns confused.
jon357 63 | 14,124
3 Mar 2015  #8
So it looks like she could be talking about 2 different places maybe. That or a story could have become grabled in the passing on.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,509
3 Mar 2015  #9
Any knowledge or ideas?

My idea is that the core name is ORLISKO. It could be a small settlement, not even a village, that was situated near LIPSKO. Hence its local name could possibly be LIPSKIE ORLISKO. If indexed with a map, you should look for it under the letter "O" - ORLISKO LIPSKIE. But it could have been a strictly local name, not even known on the maps.

Another idea is that LIPSK was nick-named for unknown reasons as LISKO ORLISKO by some locals.
jon357 63 | 14,124
3 Mar 2015  #10
Another idea is that LIPSK was nick-named for unknown reasons as LISKO ORLISKO by some locals.

I mentioned that one and it's very possible. The fact of rhyming makes it more likely.
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 569
3 Mar 2015  #11
Another idea is that LIPSK was nick-named for unknown reasons as LISKO ORLISKO by some locals.

Hmmm. Also, if "a story could have become grabled [sic.] in the passing on," then it gives me more evidence, shall we say (Incidentally, I still have that "Like father like son" e-mail from Granduncle Tony about Dad, Pop-Pop, and Great-Granddad. I just wish that I had the ko'ach [strength] to release it.).
jon357 63 | 14,124
4 Mar 2015  #12
I wouldn't call it evidence for anything (except perhaps circumstantial evidence) since oral history is notoriously faulty not least because in each re telling the context is different.
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 569
4 Mar 2015  #13
That would get into that whole long discussion again.
jon357 63 | 14,124
4 Mar 2015  #14
It's a complicated one, however the Lisko Orlisko thing is intriguing. It does sound more like a description.
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 569
4 Mar 2015  #15
I did follow up, incidentally, though I never got a reply.
jon357 63 | 14,124
4 Mar 2015  #16
Maybe the person just didn't know - that name could sadly be long forgotten. A shame, because it's and interesting story and that sort of rhyming nickname is something that I can easily imagine a speaker of Polish (especially from the east of the country) saying even now.
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 569
6 Mar 2015  #17
Could it be the name of the farm perchance? I just thought about that. The farm was in Lipsk nad Biebrzą.
jon357 63 | 14,124
6 Mar 2015  #18
Very unlikely, unless it was a large country estate in which case something would probably come up on google. It really does look more like an old nickname (the rhyming suggests that too - I can imagine hearing that in PL even now). It could of course be a nickname for the farm, but that's much less likely.

Of course there could be the x factor - it could be something entirely different. The question is, what?
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 569
6 Mar 2015  #19
True. I didn't find anything on Google.
jon357 63 | 14,124
7 Mar 2015  #20
Just an idea, but that name could either refer unofficially to a hamlet outside a village or town (a bit like unincorporated townships un the US) or could even be (you'll like this I suspect) the Jewish name for a place (that did sometimes happen in PL). That or somewhere that has been long bulldozed during post-war reconstruction and has something else there now.
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 569
7 Mar 2015  #21
True. That would not surprise me if it were a post-War or (sadly) even a Soviet Jewish name (The horror for Jews in the USSR was beyond comprehension.).
jon357 63 | 14,124
7 Mar 2015  #22
I suspect it's more likely to be much older. There were very few of that community who survived in PL sadly and those afterwards tended not to be in smaller places.
OP Nickidewbear 23 | 569
18 Jul 2015  #23
Merged: Could Lisko Orlisco Actually Be Liškiava?

It is "Liszków" in Polish. Maybe it's "Lishkov Orlitsko"?

Merged: Could "Lisko Orlisko" AsLipsk's Nicknamew Have Been Related To Lesk In Olecko?

Of course, incidentally, I can't ask Granduncle Tony (until the Resurrection, anyway).


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