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Ironside 47 | 9,254    
11 Jan 2018  #1,201
Jews started to settle in Poland around the 13th century

Few Jews were in Poland much earlier. One of them even left awed description of Mieszko and his state, while looking for the first class slaves to import them to his Muslims boss.

Historically a serious Jewish settlement start about 1450, that would be 15th century.
Lyzko 18 | 5,309    
11 Jan 2018  #1,202
Easy Terran, since when were the Jews "perpetrators" of anything during the period of which we're talking other than of trying to survive against nearly insurmountable odds?

If you're not interested in honest discussion, I suggest you join your fellow travelers in the PiS or even the AfD. They'd enjoy your sort of chat. Heck, that bloke Hoecke, formerly of the AfD thinks that Berlin's Holocaust Center on Potsdamer Platz is already one too many and sees it solely as a Jewish monument to German shame.

I fear we've all become infected with them same simplistic non-logic.
Lyzko 18 | 5,309    
11 Jan 2018  #1,203
@Easy Terran, the salient question here is rather when were you RIGHT?

It's fine to challenge shibboleths a la Normal FInkelstein and his "Holocaust Industry" garbage, only let's keep the actual facts vs. the "fake" news a la Trump, in perspective, "pretty please"LOL
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,889    
11 Jan 2018  #1,204
since when were the Jews "perpetrators" of anything during the period of which we're talking other than of trying to survive against nearly insurmountable odds?

Like when they massacred thousands of innocent Persians and to this day celebrate the massacre via Purim?

The Jews were kicked out of over 100 different kingdoms, states, principalities, towns, etc. all over Europe. Poland was their last resort because everyone else got sick of their usury and banished them - including many Polish cities at one point or other. They begged Poland's king to take them, to which he obliged and passed laws banning forced baptism under punishment of death. But of course it's the 100 different European countries faults. The Jews and Poles lived together peacefully until after WW2 when they felt the Poles didn't do enough to protect them from the Nazi invasion and afterward sided with the Russians and imposed a climate of torture, extortion, repression, etc. via zydokomonu after WW2.

Berlin's Holocaust Center on Potsdamer Platz is already one too many

It is. The supposed 6 million have already been honored enough - they've gotten tons of money, books, memorials, their own freaken country as a result, not to mention have been bullying Palestians, committing massacres, bombing unis and hospitals, setting up illegal settlements, etc. ever since. There are more Holocaust claims for monetary compensation than there are victims and that's a fact. Poland, Russia, Germany, France, etc. have not had nearly the same reparations and treatment that the Jews had despite having the same or even far higher victim counts. Israel has had more UN resolutions against it than Cuba and North Korea combined for all the crimes they've committed in Lebanon, Palestine, etc. They've even murdered American sailors. When Obama gave Israel some $10 billion in a very typical response they were upset at their government because they felt they could've gotten more money from the Americans. Time to focus more on the 70+ million others who died during WW2.
kaprys 1 | 1,355    
11 Jan 2018  #1,205
Somebody likes to be a victim. ;)
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,717    
11 Jan 2018  #1,206
There are more Holocaust claims for monetary compensation than there are victims and that's a fact.

link? source?
or is you declaring 'that's a fact' supposed to be enough?
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,889    
11 Jan 2018  #1,207
Idc whether you believe me or not... the point is jews have received far more compensation, media attention, political consideration, etc. than any other group of victims of WW2 despite having the same if not far higher body counts. When's the last time Poles were given $500 mil in just 1 year alone (as in 2015) for their pain and suffering at the hands of Nazi's/soviets? Yet quite a few people on here seem to think Poland has no claim to WW2 reparations from Germany.

Here's one example of a Jew scamming millions of dollars in WW2 reparations - haaretz.com/jewish/news/ringleader-of-57-million-holocaust-survivor-fraud-found-guilty-1.523173
WielkiPolak 57 | 1,052    
11 Jan 2018  #1,208
If you're not interested in honest discussion, I suggest you join your fellow travelers in the PiS or even the AfD

Erm, you do know PiS has forever been considered quite pro-Jewish, or at least, Jew friendly. That's actually why some groups on the right don't trust them. Heck some of them have even gone as far as to believe J.Kaczynski himself is a Jew.
gregy741 3 | 1,122    
11 Jan 2018  #1,209
Erm, you do know PiS has forever been considered quite pro-Jewish, or at least, Jew friendly.

i think pis is one of most jew friendly party,apart from maybe those UD, Unia wolnosci people,who were like 50% jews.

J.Kaczynski himself is a Jew.

well..Lech kaczynskis wife was jewish.
Crnogorac3 1 | 330    
11 Jan 2018  #1,210
link? source?

foxnews.com/us/2014/05/12/massachusetts-woman-who-wrote-fraudulent-holocaust-memoir-ordered-to-pay-225m.amp.html
amp.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2008/02/crying_wolf.html

Unmasked "holocaust victim". One down, many more to go.
Crnogorac3 1 | 330    
11 Jan 2018  #1,211
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Is there no one to have a comment on this kind of typical fraud and false "testimony on the holocaust" and "Jewish suffering". It is a book that has earned millions, written by a Belgian who falsely presented herself as a Jewess (because it is obviously a guarantee of success and earnings) and which is completely invented.

From this example, it is remarkable to see what a business the "holocaust" has become. And what an extraordinary source of income for all sorts of fraudsters and charlatans.

I suggest that in this thread we try to gather more of such examples of proven false testimonies about the so-called "holocaust" and so at least to some people open their eyes on that question. Certainly there are other such or similar cases.
Lyzko 18 | 5,309    
11 Jan 2018  #1,212
DirkDiggler, I'd research a little more about King Darius and the Persians' attitude towards the Israelites before casting espursions on the latter as the reason we celebrate Purim.

@kaprys, no normal person opts for victimhood. First, it's bloody demeaning, secondly, it makes no sense. The Jews were dealt a low hand by virtue of their population density almost from the start. In trying to defend themselves against libel, the Jews were blamed for being victimized, constantly battling others in order to free themselves from the stigma of being subjugated!
kaprys 1 | 1,355    
11 Jan 2018  #1,213
@Lyzko
Oh, now that you have noticed me ... why were there so many Jews in Poland if, as you keep claiming, the country and the people were hostile towards them.

And let me guess ... you'll ignore my question because you'd have to admit Poland wasn't so hostile afer all.
Lyzko 18 | 5,309    
11 Jan 2018  #1,214
On the contrary, kaprys. For a long while, the Jews were to be sure "appreciated", yea, needed, by Poland as tradespeople, pawnbrokers, tax collector and the like.

The Jews remained in a country whose hostility towards them was simmering beneath the surface because they really had no place else to go. Sad but so.
kaprys 1 | 1,355    
11 Jan 2018  #1,215
So a country that owed Jews nothing accepted them. Even though they had been known for trading Slavic slaves.
No worries, if it hadn't been Jews, others would have been hired as tax collectors and so on. After all these jobs existed in countries that had expelled Jews.

Now since you are not able to say anything positive about Poland, I'll just take my terrible Polish self from here.
Thank you for letting me know everything about Jewish hatred towards Poles.
jon357 65 | 13,636    
11 Jan 2018  #1,216
they had been known for trading Slavic slaves.

Jewish hatred

Diidn't you say you weren't anti-semitic?
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,889    
11 Jan 2018  #1,217
DirkDiggler, I'd research a little more about King Darius and the Persians' attitude towards the Israelites before casting espursions on the latter as the reason we celebrate Purim.

I'm well aware of Purim - my gf came from an orthodox family.

King Darius wasn't in charge when the Jews massacred thousands of innocent civilians. It was likely Xerxes and he trusted Mordechai to be his right hand man. And yes, one particular individual in the Persian court wanted to do something about the all the jews that were suddenly coming into Persia. He and another person wanted to kill the jews but the conspirators were caught and executed - end of conspiracy. But that wasn't enough dead goys - they needed thousands of innocent civilians to truly make the event memorable.

Jon it's well known that Jews were involved in the slave trade both in Europe, Africa, ME, etc. Even in certain cities in South America slave auctions weren't held on the Sabbath as so many Jews participated in this trade. To an extent Israel still keeps people in prison and refuses to take in any refugees not to mention help out migrants from Africa. They capture Africans, put them in Holot prison to work for a few shekels, then give them a grand and a plane ticket back to Africa once they've decided the goy is no longer needed.
WielkiPolak 57 | 1,052    
11 Jan 2018  #1,218
@Jon, how is stating that Jewish people owned slaves antisemitism? They did. Or are you one of those nutjobs who believes even saying the word 'Jew' is antisemitic?
jon357 65 | 13,636    
12 Jan 2018  #1,219
how is stating that Jewish people owned slaves antisemitism?

So did anyone who could afford it (and some who couldn't) during the Middle Ages...
mafketis 16 | 6,295    
12 Jan 2018  #1,220
no normal person opts for victimhood. First, it's bloody demeaning, secondly, it makes no sense

Then why so many "true" holocaust stories turn out to be lies?

independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/why-would-any-writer-make-up-stories-about-the-holocaust-1803275.html

Jews were involved in the slave trade

Also in the US. There was no Christian cross on the Confederate flag so as not to offend Jewish confederate (slave holders).
Atch 16 | 2,643    
12 Jan 2018  #1,221
So did anyone who could afford it (and some who couldn't) during the Middle Ages...

Absolutely true. Slavery was practised in pretty much every culture you can name. It may have died out by the Middle Ages in many but it's in all our histories - even my beloved Ireland, though admittedly that was about 1,500 years ago!
kaprys 1 | 1,355    
12 Jan 2018  #1,222
@jon357
So now you're calling me antisemitic. Why are you calling me antisemitic?
1. Because I'm Polish
2. Because of two random quotes out of context.

And the right answer is .............. 1!

Well, so talking about Jewish hatred is wrong but talking about Polish antisemitism in almost every single post for two or three days is ok? If the previous makes me antisemitic, what does the latter say about you?

Mentioning a morally questionable fact about Jews is antisemitic, too ... apparently. Because everyone who could afford it owned slaves ... Wait a second ... the same applies to America before the abolition of slavery. So are you saying, slavery in America was ok. No? Why such double standards? Because slavery of Slavs is fine?

You haven't been able to say one positive thing about Polish-Jewish relations. The same applies to the other poster. I'm not surprised when it comes to him but I thought you were different. I was wrong. Just continue your Poland shaming with your friends. Luckily, whatever you say won't change who I am.
mafketis 16 | 6,295    
12 Jan 2018  #1,223
d. Or are you one of those nutjobs who believes even saying the word 'Jew' is antisemitic?

It's only anti-semitic when used as an adjective "Her doctor is a Jew" is okay (though not idiomatic) "Her doctor is Jewish" (normal way of speaking). "She has a Jew doctor." (speaker dislikes Jews or is Jewish and being ironic).
jon357 65 | 13,636    
12 Jan 2018  #1,224
So are you saying, slavery in America was ok

Who said that?

Don't single out Jewish people.
Lyzko 18 | 5,309    
12 Jan 2018  #1,225
Come on, quit whining kaprys! Haven't I sung praises to Polish cooking, Chopin, film etc. However, no culture is without her handicaps, and it's well known that the Catholic Church throughout Europe DID foster anti-Semitism, whether intentionally or not. Jewish blood-libel tales surely didn't do much to foster good relations between Jews and Christians, did it??

The US has many wonderful aspects, and yet our record with slavery and the Native Americans is not something of which I'm proud, even if I had nothing to do with it per se.

You see my point:-)
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,889    
12 Jan 2018  #1,226
Church throughout Europe DID foster anti-Semitism, whether intentionally or not

Mainly after the translation of the Talmud by a convert

blood-libel tales

Well there are many accounts and records (most probably exaggerated though) of Jews sacrificing Greeks, English children (Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln - who's body was found in a pit on a Jewish owner's land), a Russian child who has now been canonized, and numerous other accounts of Christian children suddenly being killed and then winding up in a river or some pit all strangely around the time of Passover.

However, the Talmud does state 'JEW WHO KILLS A CHRISTIAN COMMITS NO SIN, BUT OFFERS AN ACCEPTABLE SACRIFICE TO GOD
delphiandomine 87 | 16,885    
12 Jan 2018  #1,227
Indeed the Talmud does state

Nope, it doesn't.

judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/78201/on-killing-christians-in-judaism

Careful with what you quote online, especially when the source is a fanatical Lithuanian.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,889    
12 Jan 2018  #1,228
The Talmud states numerous times it is permissible to kill, rob, cheat, steal from goyim. It even cites a specific example stating it's permissible to remove a ladder from under a goy so that he falls. It is permissible to take goy's organs as well but not drink milk from a cow that was milked by a goy according to the Talmud, let alone sit at the same table. It also states that Jesus is boiling in hell in excrement for being a blasphemer.

The Talmud also cites that they are not to reveal any of the things within the Talmud under punishment of death. It also states that if goys found out what was in the Talmud they'd sure kill the Jews. Hence any Jewish source defending the Talmud is clearly biased.

on-killing-christians-in-judaism

From your own source - ."In Zohar, I, 38b and 39a: 'Jews must never cease to exterminate the goim; they must never leave them in peace and never submit to them'
kaprys 1 | 1,355    
12 Jan 2018  #1,229
@Lyzko
Well, let me put it this way: you have a problem with my religion. I don't have a problem with yours. And who's whining here all the time about the Catholic Church or antisemitism in Poland in most threads. I wonder how you'd put these in a thread about bigos ...

And you gotta be kidding to compare Polish treatment of Jews to American treatment of Native and African Americans - the Trail of Broken Treaties, lynches, postcards with lynching victims ...
delphiandomine 87 | 16,885    
12 Jan 2018  #1,230
The Talmud states numerous times it is permissible to kill goyim.

Actually, Talmud Sanhedrin 57a; "Taz" Y.D. 158:1 makes it clear that it's not.

It also states that Jesus is boiling in hell in excrement for being a blasphemer.

Don't.

halakhah.com/gittin/gittin_56.html
halakhah.com/gittin/gittin_57.html

End of 56, start of 57.

reddit/r/Judaism/comments/40smul/does_the_talmud_really_say_that_jesus_is_burning
explains it nicely.

Killing unbelievers is a pretty common theme in religious texts, though. The Old Testament is particularly bad for it, but there's plenty of comments in the New Testament too.


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