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TheOther 5 | 2,825    
1 Oct 2013  #1,051

Even generations of experts.

You forgot to mention: generations of COMMUNIST experts... ;)


ffg registered - | 13    
1 Oct 2013  #1,052

Someone has lost his temper.. A bit uncomfortable with all the facts and quotations?

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Allies: 360,000 dead or wounded

So when you said that "the French for example, who surrendered to the nazists without a fight", you were, in fact, lying. Thanks for admitting that.

You are right, I should have written that they surrendered after lost a battle, so they can keep their government. How typical that you don't adress your mistake about how many people were killed, but my unfortune use of words.

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It wasn't 'polish' blue police, as it was created and run by Germans in occupied Poland.

It was entirely Polish (apart from a few senior officers). It was a continuation of the interbellum Polish police and was recognised as both legitimate and lawful by the Polish government in exile. It was disbanded by the Polish provisional government. It was a Polish police force and it assisted with the Holocaust: deal with those facts.

It was created by Germans in occupied Poland, and run by Germans, as opposed to France, which kept their government and their police forces, for the price of collaboration. Which part of that you don't understand? Should we dumb it down for you even more?

I never said there weren't any Poles colaborating with the Germans, I said it was rare and on a smaller scale than in the other counries, because oft the hatered towards nazis. How dare you accuse me of being a liar, and not even respod to all historical sources I have presented (from JEWISH historians as well)

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You appear to forget that the UK declared war on Germany as a result of the German invasion of Poland and that the first British action against Germany started some 90 minutes after the declaration of war. Or you didn't forget about it and simply chose to lie by claiming that Britain did not take any action: which is it?

They could have as well declared a war on Madagascar, since they only declared it and didn't do much about it. But it's nice you admit that it wasn't a lie after all. But you're changigng your mind awfully fast for someone who believes himself so well educated in history.

As for checking facts, you'll want to read just a little more widely than just sanitized wikipedia if you want to learn more about Poland's history: for some reason Wikipedia has a habit of not telling the truth about those, it's almost as if there is a group of Polish and other CEE editors who are trying to deliberately re-write history via wikipedia.

Wikipedia is as good source of information as any other, as it gives us quotqtiuons from historical sources by many different historians. Unless you are big-headed self-declared homegrown 'historian' who doesn't care about historical sources, unless they treat Polish people as antisemitic murderers. Actually from what you just said, I believe that you consider that Poles are some sort of homicidal anisemitic monsters, with no white spots in their history, and if the historical sources say otherwise they are surely wrong, and the historians who write anything good about Poland are lying, or are polish themselves.

You have some sort of serious polish - phobia mister, and I advise you to contact the psychiatrist as soon as possible.

And don't offend the people who are trying to have some serious conversation with you, by calling them liars, even thogh they quoted a lot of historical sources and you didn't, this makes you look rude, cheap and fanatic little man
Marek11111 9 | 827    
1 Oct 2013  #1,053

Assisted the Nazis with the Holocaust.

Zionist assisted in Jewish Holocaust, then they lied of the scale of Holocaust.

ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html
Harry 67 | 12,862    
1 Oct 2013  #1,054

You are right, I should have written that they surrendered after lost a battle

You shouldn't have lied: telling lies never helps here.

France, which kept their government and their police forces, for the price of collaboration.

Poland wasn't given the opportunity to collaborate, Stalin saw to that.

Poles colaborating with the Germans, I said it was rare and on a smaller scale than in the other counries

Ooops, you seem to have either forgotten about the millions of Poles who decided that they were German after all and so signed up for the DVL, or you're just lying about them: which is it?

They could have as well declared a war on Madagascar, since they only declared it and didn't do much about it.

Yes, it's not as half a million Brits died in WWII, is it? Oh, sorry, I forgot that half a million British people did die in WWII, but you choose to lie about them and claim that Britain "didn't do much about it". Could you be much more contemptible?

Wikipedia is as good source of information as any other

ROFL!!!

You have some sort of serious polish - phobia mister, and I advise you to contact the psychiatrist as soon as possible.

As I've said many times before here, I very much like Poland and Poles: that's why I choose to live here surrounded by them; I'm also willing to bet that I've done far more than you have for Poland. I don't dislike you because you're Polish: I dislike you because you're a contemptible liar (as shown above) who brings shame on the name of Poland with his disgraceful posts.
TheOther 5 | 2,825    
1 Oct 2013  #1,055

They could have as well declared a war on Madagascar, since they only declared it and didn't do much about it.

Ever asked yourself what would've happened to Poland if the Brits hadn't declared war on Germany?
Marek11111 9 | 827    
1 Oct 2013  #1,056

the England made pact with Poland to push German aggression towards Poland so basically Poland got sacrifice for English empire as German industries ware dominating Europe markets and England was loosing the to Germans economically. your question is pointless as the ww2 was setup and planed. better question would be what would happen if Poland never trusted England and join Germany.

who brings shame on the name of Poland with his disgraceful posts.

I do not think that I think you hate Poland and Poles Harry that is why you lie about Poland and constantly smear it with lies.
legend 3 | 672    
1 Oct 2013  #1,057

Dont you guys get it?

Jews only suffer and are always innocent!

*sarcasm*
delphiandomine 57 | 15,090    
1 Oct 2013  #1,058

Dont you guys get it?

Yes, we get it. You're racist towards Jews because you spend your life on far-right wing forums.
Harry 67 | 12,862    
1 Oct 2013  #1,059

Jews only suffer and are always innocent!

The Polish Jews who played an active part in the Holocaust certainly weren't innocent, just as the Catholic Poles who played an active part in the Holocaust certainly weren't innocent. Fortunately the Polish Jews who played an active part in the Holocaust certainly almost all suffered, which is sadly not a thing which one can say about the Catholic Poles who played an active part in the Holocaust.
Barney 14 | 1,474    
1 Oct 2013  #1,060

Ever asked yourself what would've happened to Poland if the Brits hadn't declared war on Germany?

You could argue all day but probably It would have made no difference to the outcome. The Soviets would still have destroyed the vile German war machine and their genocidal aggression.

What if histories are just bollox.

Of course the generosity the Soviets showed towards the defeated German nation cannot be underestimated, by rights the whole of their German sectors in Germany and Austria should have become part of The USSR/Russia like Kaliningrad. Poland should have received more land as reparations from the German Empire, the Soviets were kind to label this land recovered territories instead of calling it booty.
TheOther 5 | 2,825    
1 Oct 2013  #1,061

It would have made no difference to the outcome. The Soviets would still have destroyed the vile German war machine and their genocidal aggression.

Of course it would have made all the difference. Without the UK at war the USA wouldn't have supported the Soviets with supplies, and without the American support the USSR would have lost.
delphiandomine 57 | 15,090    
1 Oct 2013  #1,062

and Austria

And Austria, Barney?

That would be like demanding that the Soviets also got their hands on the Sudetenland...
Barney 14 | 1,474    
1 Oct 2013  #1,063

The Other
You can argue all day about something that didn't happen remember You started the fantasy history.....

That would be like demanding that the Soviets also got their hands on the Sudetenland...

It's not demanding anything, the German empire was defeated and it was in the gift of the Soviets to do as they wished.
TheOther 5 | 2,825    
1 Oct 2013  #1,064

You started the fantasy history

Speaking about fantasy...

Poland should have received more land as reparations from the German Empire, the Soviets were kind to label this land recovered territories instead of calling it booty.

Poland can call herself lucky that she ended up with German territory at all. Stalin could as well have ignored everyone.
Barney 14 | 1,474    
1 Oct 2013  #1,065

But he didn't and in my opinion Germany got off lightly.
pierogi2000 4 | 230    
2 Oct 2013  #1,066

German punishment is long term & on going. They are being over run by immigrants, forever altering their culture and heritage. The native children are spoon fed self hate and guilt. This is much worse than any financial or territorial punishment.
legend 3 | 672    
2 Oct 2013  #1,067

Germans are also handing millions/billions of $ to Jewry so that Jewry can get a few extra shekels (as if they didnt have enough already).
Harry 67 | 12,862    
2 Oct 2013  #1,068

They are being over run by immigrants

I've said it before and I'll say it again: it's always hugely amusing to see immigrants whining about immigrants.
pierogi2000 4 | 230    
2 Oct 2013  #1,069

My parents
- Learned the language
- Didn't reproduce
- Never sat on welfare

This is simply not the norm with current immigrants to Germany. I'll also go a step further and say my parents didn't try and force their social norms onto their new home, which is currently on going in Germany
Irm2    
2 Oct 2013  #1,070

You forgot to mention: generations of COMMUNIST experts... ;)

I think that you should get over your obsession. You are talking here about your feeling and your emotional state. Otherwise you would be talking about specific. Experts are experts regardless of a system. I mean you as Pol-German Australian living in the USA have rather foggy idea about the issue. What do you know about Polish historiography and all? Not much.
TheOther 5 | 2,825    
2 Oct 2013  #1,071

German punishment is long term & on going. ...forever altering their culture and heritage

European migrants as well as immigrants from outside the EU are altering the character of the whole continent - not only Germany's.
Irm2    
2 Oct 2013  #1,072

Poland wasn't given the opportunity to collaborate, Stalin saw to that.

. What kind of nonsense is that?

Poland can call herself lucky that she ended up with German territory at all. Stalin could as well have ignored everyone.

If Stalin would play nice for a decade longer and treated better Poles. There would be no West Germany in all probability - that country was created as cordon and kinda cordon against Soviets.
TheOther 5 | 2,825    
2 Oct 2013  #1,073

There would be no West Germany in all probability

If the western allies would've been a little faster in their advance, Wroclaw would still be called Breslau.

Woulda, coulda - I'd say, let's be grateful for the current status quo. We could as well have ended in an all out nuclear war in the early 60's.
f stop 25 | 2,529    
2 Oct 2013  #1,074

I am polish and I don't hate jews.

then why do you feel compelled to resurrect this idiotic old thread?
Irm2    
2 Oct 2013  #1,075

If the western allies would've been a little faster in their advance, Wroclaw would still be called Breslau.

you seems to be living an illusion (maybe I should talk about capitalist experts or imperialism experts?)that it was Stalin decision Three powers acted in accord. Why Poles talk about betrayal?

Woulda, coulda - I'd say, let's be grateful for the current status quo

You started.
By the way stop going about things you have no idea about - ranting Communists communist. Lets talk specific.
Harry 67 | 12,862    
2 Oct 2013  #1,076

What kind of nonsense is that?

It is a factual statement based on the negotiations between Nazi German and the USSR. As I am sure you are aware, the secret protocol of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact left the future existence of an independent state somewhat open, precisely stating:

The question of whether the interests of both parties make desirable the maintenance of an independent Polish state and how such a state should be bounded can only be definitely determined in the course of further political developments.
In any event both governments will resolve this question by means of a friendly agreement.

avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/addsepro.asp

German Ambassador in Moscow Count von Schulenburg wrote a report to Hitler of a meeting he had on 25 September 1939 with Molotov and Stalin:

Stalin and Molotov asked me to come to the Kremlin at 8 p. m. today. Stalin stated the following: In the final settlement of the Polish question anything that in the future might create friction between Germany and the Soviet Union must be avoided. From this point of view, he considered it wrong to leave an independent Polish rump state. He proposed the following: From the territory to the east of the demarcation line, all the Province of Lublin and that portion of the Province of Warsaw which extends to the Bug should be added to our share. In return, we should waive our claim to Lithuania.

avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/ns082.asp

That future, i.e. one without an independent Poland, became reality with the German-Soviet Boundary and Friendship Treaty of 28 September 1939:

The Government of the German Reich and the Government of the U.S.S.R. consider it as exclusively their task, after the collapse of the former Polish state, to re-establish peace and order in these territories and to assure to the peoples living there a peaceful life in keeping with their national character. To this end, they have agreed upon the following:

ARTICLE I
The Government of the German Reich and the Government of the U.S.S.R. determine as the boundary of their respective national interests in the territory of the former Polish state the line marked on the attached map, which shall be described in more detail in a supplementary protocol.

avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/gsbound.asp

Poland was never given a chance to be a collaborationist state. Poland was never given that chance because Stalin did not wish there to be any 'rump state'.
TheOther 5 | 2,825    
2 Oct 2013  #1,077

By the way stop going about things you have no idea about

The expert has spoken... :)
What's your other nick, by the way?
Irm2    
2 Oct 2013  #1,078

The expert has spoken... :)

It is painfully obvious that you have no clue just feelings about issue. You always rant about communist this or that but the only thing you said that could pass for specific if someone would have been in generous mood - have been about restored territories - well as a matter of fact most of those territories belonged one day or other to the Polish Kingdom - so it were not lies. Justification for getting them could be at times a bit shaky but no so much I you would think. You of course do not know enough of the Polish lingo to read a bit so you have only hearsay and second hand relation to relay upon. I'm just surprised by your stubborn reliving of that one or other justification of Germany loosing some territories. Your father must have been hit hard by that - well at least Germans deserved it!

What's your other nick, by the way?

What other nick?
TheOther 5 | 2,825    
2 Oct 2013  #1,079

What other nick?

You tell me. It's pretty obvious that you are just a sock puppet of another member. My first thought was Des, but then ... he isn't such a pussy to use a guest account to play smartass.
Harry 67 | 12,862    
2 Oct 2013  #1,080

That is a lot o speculation and second guesses and you know it.

ROFL! Those are treaties between Nazi Germany and the USSR and a report by the Nazi ambassador to the USSR of a meeting he had with Stalin. Can you really not get more imaginative with your lies?!



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