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The Gustloff - one of the worst maritime disasters that seemed to never have happened


Nathan 18 | 1,349
11 Mar 2010 #61
Good point, Harry.
skysoulmate 14 | 1,294
11 Mar 2010 #62
As for rapes in Poland it wasnt that bad, women had to be watched of course and avoid larger groups but rule of a thumb was that russian troops got a bullet for raping non-German locals in Poland.

What the he'll are you talking about? Would you stop with your Russian a@@kissing? What you said is total nonsense and the Russian soldiers had free reins on sex crimes - you find a lady - she's yours - was the mantra of the Russian commanders and thus the Russian thugs so called soldiers.

The problem is two-fold, one Germans really let loose in Russia and two, Russians are a partly asian culture given that their very foundations come from Mongols, they as a nation and society do not follow the same civilisational standards as central or western Europe.

Nonsensical rasist garbage. Soldiers mimic the leadership - bring on thug politbureau commanders and you get thug soldiers. This was not an occational rape or murder - this was a systematic and widely condoned by the superiors mass war crime.
hague1cameron - | 85
12 Mar 2010 #63
f a thumb was that russian troops got a bullet for raping non-German locals in Poland.

when did you hear that? i doubt it very much.

I read an account by Radek Sikorski about his Grandma (I think) almost being raped together with some other German woman in his book Full Circle, and there wasn’t much they could do about it, besides hiding and being surrounded by a lots of Polish men.
Sokrates 8 | 3,345
13 Mar 2010 #64
when did you hear that? i doubt it very much.

That was in a general order and it was enforced.

I read an account by Radek Sikorski about his Grandma (I think) almost being raped together with some other German woman in his book Full Circle, and there wasn’t much they could do about it, besides hiding and being surrounded by a lots of Polish men.

Sikorski is among the PO politicians associated with German christian-democratic circles as well as with American-Jewish circles, he has every reason to produce biased accounts.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,740
13 Mar 2010 #65
I'm not sure about that too Sokrates...

individual.utoronto.ca/jarekg/Ravensbruck/LastDays.html

...(30 April), the Russian army arrived. Rather than being liberators, they put the French women through a more hellish ordeal than what they had experienced in the camp. The women were raped repeatedly by Russian troops, to the point where some of them were too weakened to continue their journey.

That's more like the common narrative of that time...
skysoulmate 14 | 1,294
20 Mar 2010 #66
Sikorski is among the PO politicians associated with German christian-democratic circles as well as with American-Jewish circles, he has every reason to produce biased accounts.

Of course, why didn't we all think of that earlier?

You create a nonsensical "fact" of the Russian soldiers' holiness and the aura of innocence that hovered above their heads yet when you run out of arguments - somehow there's a Jew conspiracy there somewhere.


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