The Grunwald Battle: Today is 600th anniversary of the greatest medieval battle.

No nerves for that, i just cant get my sh*t together to waste so much time.


Given that we have no documents in regards to exact losses or numbers of the belligerents involved (with the exception of the TO losses since they kept a payroll we use as reference) i can't see how wiki can reach any serious consensus.

We also know how many polish knights bought it since its reported by three knight generals who were responsible for such accounting but thats about it.


I'm not accusing or suspecting you of editing, you're no Nathan but the low losses are quite possible, now wounded, these might be high since the battle lasted for nearly 6 hours but dead were few.

Well...for that are the sources and references. ;)
I'm suspicious about every statement with the "citation needed" tag, I'm for scratching these statements for good...agreed! :)


Hey...I'm a German! ;)


Lagerfeld, Boss, Adi Dassler...you name them! ;)


I ought to think like you Sok. :)
But if you are really interested in some topic and you know that a wiki entry makes or
breaks opinions (if you want to or not)...it could be worth it!

I might try it but today my attitude is sorta influenced by this f*cking heat and next week its gonna be 35 celsjus!

So in case of some war you'd all be dressed as hell, again! ;))) Das ist sicher.

Erm...ever looked at our current Bundeswehr??? BERETS ffs !!!!

;)

Well, handsome as they might look in them, they still have guns, haha. Maybe that is supposed to look decieving for the enemy.
Berets are rather for special ops, helmets for regular troops I guess. How about a Teutonian helmet?

Considering the Teutonic Order was set up to crush the heathen and heretic Poles by the Pope and Roman Catholic Church,can I ask why Poland is so very proud to be Catholic?

This isnt a loaded question,just,well,England also had a Papal crusade launched against it which basicaly led to Rome being told where to shove its incense.

LOL

The Teutonic Order was formed at the end of the 12th century.
The Baptism of Poland took place in 966.


Poland never had a "Papal crusade launched against it".

Yes,it did matey,the teutons were the Roman churches crusaders in the East,thats fact,Ok,not specifically set up to invade Poland per se but afater their initial "triumphs" this is indead what they attempted. So,again,why the love of Rome from a country that was fooked over by Rome?

No, it didn't, buddy. Or maybe you could provide us a link to a historical source or Papal
document declaring Crusade against Poland in/after 12th century? :)


Not against Poles though, but against Prussians (still heathen at the time of setting up
the Order).

You're an idiot, in no way did the Pope officially or unoficially supported the war against Poland, care to provide any proof of your idiotic claims?

Maybe you meant the Prussians, because as far as Poles, the Popes ordered Teutons to give back conquered lands repeatedly so where's your crusade pal?

not only pope didnot support TO against Poland,but acctually Pope was on Polands side.
it was some dispute been resolved by pope on polish favor over gdansk seziure
even for the short period TO was excomunicated for taking part in gdansk massacre
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutonic_takeover_of_Danzig_(Gda%C5%84sk)

Now that is what I call good editing...showing ALL sides:


;)

What an international mess:

primary sources state it clear that massacred people were regarded in the law suit as polish,whenever Kashubians or not
it is possible that some Germanic settlers were living in Gdansk in 14 cent.

Hmmm...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gda%C5%84sk#History


in 1308:


Hmmmm....;)

It seems they weren't quite exact with the numbers back then...

Not neccesarily, as with all sieges the towns were flooded with the locals seeking shelter behind city walls, of course inflation of numbers is possible but unlikely since medieval chroniclers if they did inflate numbers went for hundreds of thousands or milions.


Actually it is certain, prior to the Gdańsk massacre they were a minority since Gdańsk was primarily polish/prussian (slavic prussian tribe not kingdon of Prussia Prussians) but they did make up a significant amount of the population, in XV they became a majority.

well there a lot of germanic people living in Poland in the medieval times,settlers or descend people from ostrogoths.
even on the tomb of boleslav the brave,the 1 polish king is written:
"Rex Gothorum et Polonarum"


of course number were extragrated for the pourpouse of winning suit,or anti TO propaganda
but thats nothing unusale

...or maybe a settlement with 2000 was a huge "Da Town" for chroniclers that time! ;)

Thats also possible, the point stands that TO nuked an entire city full or Prussians, Poles and Germans.

so we have a conclussion: bad geries- good polish :)

Bastards! *waves pagan fist at order*


*whacks gregy with a sword over polish head*

It is also important that few weeks after grunwald we had another encounter in battle of koronowo,which is not very well known....funny battle it was where polish and geries knights were taking brake together in dining table,to join battle once rested

Glorious Poland won that one as well-God saw injustice and punished boastfull geries

To f*ck with your head a bit since you're so stupid.

Jan from Kwidzyń - Teutonic Knight, priest - Pole.
Anselm - Bishop, Teutonic brother - Pole.

There's a lot more, the TO was predominantly german but there were quite a few Poles in it.

Also while TO were the equivalent to medieval Nazis they didnt kill people because someone was German or Polish, they killed people because someone was opposed to them, they killed thousands of Germans as well as Poles.


There were almost no german knights at the battle, the heavy cavalry was composed almost entirely of French, Burgundians and Italians, the battle was fought in a form of a huge joust where knights fought a series of duels which conversly is the only reason why Poles won.

not sure about numbers on the killed Germans but I can surely say they killed more Poles. Do not make it equal.


- oh, you shouldn't touch this tpic;))
And about Asian girls, that is completly off-topic [but someone can start a thread on it] unless somone tells me how many Asians [girls mainly] fought in the Grunwald battle:)))))


- WHAT?! where have you been looking? Plenty of them in Kraków.

Probably not but the point stands, they killed everyone who didnt fit their dream team including Germans.

- maybe so, but what is this point for, actually?

More than 100 000 spectators on this years Battle over Grunwald staging. I think it's a sound idea to make a new movie about it cause the last one is 50 years old now and not that impressive to be honest.

I will be glad to upload some pics from this year's battle recreation when I get back from vacation. The battle was huge this year and so was the organizational mess. Out of seventeen 'warriors' that went with me, only one was heat stroken.

Some pcs from two years ago is this link: https://polishforums.com/archives/2005-2009/history/battle-grunwald-36719/

Well, could you upload some of them? It'd be great...