Defying Germaniztion in 1901 Polish boy writes 'German girls are ugly'

How can you prove that he was enraged by the attempted Germanization? Maybe he was just pissed off because he was rejected by a German girl? The title of this thread is totally misleading.

How can you prove that he wasn't?

It is my guess. But humans usually attack that side of the enemy which caused us pain. His obsessive writing about women at that tender age and in the most Catholic environment ever couldn't have just appeared like that.


Depends on shallowness and your intentions. If you are interested on just looking - then yes, Polish gals are amazing. But if you are interested in living with her, having kids or all together, then I think the situation drastically changes :)

Comparing Polish and German girls (read post #63, by the way) is defying Germanization?


ROTFL! Are you sure I'm German?

There's your answer Nathan. Kids are shallow and look at looks alone most of the time. Here in Philly we have Russian bars and clubs where Russians, Ukrainians, Poles hang out together I've heard at least a couple times from Polish girls when they said they're Polish a guy he answered with amazement 'Ahh Polachka' so they must have found them to their liking.

Are you an expert ? Is that your diagnosis? Nay, you are writing obsessively about heroes from UPA(mostly BS), family of yours?


You were implying .

That's your interpretation, Iron, and I assure you you are wrong.

I always thought that is what adults are after. Plastic operations are done well after 14.


Yes, it is my diagnosis, in a way. He suffered a blow on a love field and made that single step which separated love from hatred.

Your diagnosis foolishly dismisses his patriotic feelings as a Pole in German occupied Poland.

Except he wasn't living in occupied Poland - which is a term exclusively used to refer to the 1939-1945 period.

In fact, it's rather insulting to compare the brutal occupation of 1939-1945 to the relatively harmonious annexation of 1795-1919.

Neither you, nor I know about him and his feelings. There is nothing 100% in this world. I didn't say he hadn't felt some patriotic thoughts or cared about his country. But the way he expressed himself, IMHO, showed what hurt him the most at that time.

Seriously, Des, read post #63 and then explain to me why a simple comparison of Polish and German girls by a 14 year old teenager amounts to "defying Germanization".

You are wrong....


This phrase should be always used instead 'the Polish occupation'.

I suggested that it would be foolish to assume that his patriotic feelings as a Pole in German ruled Poland did not color his opinions regarding German girls. I never said the boy's disdain for German girls' looks and his belief in their inability to love constituted defiance of Germanization. The defiance of Germanization that this thread's title refers to is the refusal of Polish youth, in his school, to pray in German.

They are wrong - occupation and annexation are two totally different things.

If you want to split hairs, it would be more appropriate to use the Germanic "anschluss" - the country was initially occupied by military forces, then formally annexed into Prussia. But in English, as the territory was part of Prussia and Poland's claims recognised by no-one - you simply cannot use the term "occupation".


Why? It wasn't occupied.

It might not be what Poles want to hear, but facts are facts.

The defiant Poles in the territory considered it occupied and rejected the legitimacy of its annexation, but it seems that in the Polonophobic poster's mind these folk were "no-one".

In terms of international law and recognition (and according to the usual definition of sovereignty) - they were nothing but a minority living within Prussia. Nothing more, and the land certainly wasn't occupied.

As for "defiant" - I don't call a vast amount of collaboration with them "defiant".

Certainly, they rejected the annexation and considered it occupied - but that was in their mind, not in the world's mind.

(by the way : accusing someone of polonophobia when they quote facts is the domain of the right wing racist in Poland, Des - perhaps you might want to finally admit your LPR-love)

This thread is about Poles defying Germanization.


So you think that the world has a collective "mind" whose judgement regarding the status of Poland supercedes that of the Polish people, and that is why you are both delusional and Polonophobic.


I am neither right wing nor racist. I do not feel affection for any contemporary Polish political party, nor do I vote in Polish elections. This thread is about events that occurred in the school system of German occupied Poland in 1901 and my mother's grandparents were enrolled in that school system.

I think you have problems with the idea of sovereignty. Not a surprise, seeing as your own country has frequently abused it.


Yeah, yeah. The term "Polonophobia" is used exclusively by right wing racists in Poland - what makes you different?


Don't have citizenship, huh?

I am different because I am not a right-wing racist, nor am I in Poland. I also doubt your assertion that the term "Polonophobia" is used exclusively by right wing racists in contemporary Poland. You should also be aware that you are taking this thread off-topic by making this assertion about the use of the term "Polonophobia" in contemporary Poland which is 110 years removed from the time being discussed. If you don't believe Poland existed in 1901 shouldn't you on principle refuse to post upon this thread which is after all in the "History of Poland" section of this forum?

Germany is a great nation because of all the Polish blood in its veins.

Yet you still use the "Polonophobia" label?

I mean - anyone with an ounce of sense would seek to disassociate themselves from those LPR types - yet you seem quite happy to come under their umbrella.


The use of the term has been around for decades - and yes, it was used by right wing racists then, too.


Why? Polish history includes the history of the people - unless you believe that the Polans somehow magically changed into Polish people overnight.

No one is putting me under their umbrella but you, an irrational poster who wont stay on topic and who engages in all sorts of fallacious nonsense such as falsely asserting only right wing racists use the term Polonophobia and I must thus be guilty of being a right wing racist. If you could show the posts wherein I have been right wing, or racist, you would have a point, but you cannot because I haven't made any such posts and so you try this idiotic guilt by association approach which, moreover, has nothing to do with this thread's topic. Neither this thread, nor this forum, is a place for cheap personally directed attacks of this sort, but it seems it is you that does not have an ounce of sense and so you continue to make them like a damn fool.

If there was at least one country that didn't recognize the partitions of Poland and protested against them, would it mean that Poland indeed was under occupation?


What I meant was the use of the term "Polish occupation" in the following cases: "Polish occupation of", "lands under Polish occupation".


What is collaboration in such circumstances? Working in Prussian bakery to feed one's family?


For the record, the terms: "Prussian Poland", "Austrian Poland", "Russian Poland" were in use when Poland wasn't formally on the map of Europe, e.g. "Higher education in Russian, Austrian, and Prussian Poland (1896)", published by U.S. Government Printing Office; The encyclopædia of geography (1837) See more here.

There was indeed one very large country that didn't recognized the partitions of Poland and it was called the Ottoman Empire.

Poland was occupied full stop.

A piece of paper doesn’t make it right.

Every territory that at some point of time was independent or belonged to a different country, but is now a part of another nation, is occupied? So East Prussia, Silesia and Pomerania are actually German (or maybe Neanderthal, depending on how far you want to go back) territories which are occupied by Poland and Russia at the moment? Oppressors, all of them... :)

Or why is Poland different once again?

No one asked permission it was quite rude really.
Terrible people thought they would never leave.

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You edited that to make a silly statement even sillier.

Yeah, sorry for the late edit.

I made it even sillier to show how silly your statement "Poland was occupied full stop" really was.

if you don't know I will no help you, better tell us what is your problem?