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Christopher Colombowicz: America's discoverer Polish not Portuguese, claim historians


Stu 12 | 522
29 Nov 2010 #1
Well, if this is not a joke, than Poland has something to be proud of ... :D

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1333895/Christopher-Columbus-Polish-Portuguese-claim-historians.html

"An international team of distinguished professors have completed 20 years of painstaking research into (Christopher Columbus') beginnings.

The fresh evidence about Columbus' background is revealed in a new book by Manuel Rosa, an academic at Duke University in the United States.

He says the voyager was not from a family of humble Italian craftsmen as previously thought - but the son of Vladislav III, an exiled King of Poland".
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,988
29 Nov 2010 #2
"Columbuski"?

:)

But it was Leif Erickson who first discovered America and the Vikings had been the first settlers
there...I wish the media would more concentrate on that!!!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leif_Ericson
Softsong 5 | 495
29 Nov 2010 #3
Colombowicz :-)

The Vikings do get credit in school nowadays, but for years it was only Columbus.

It's a big New World though, they could split it into North and South discoveries and share the glory.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
29 Nov 2010 #4
So that adds to the list with Copernicus on it then :) :)
Barney 15 | 1,500
29 Nov 2010 #5
The Irish got there long before other Europeans. Saint Brendan
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan
Wroclaw 44 | 5,384
29 Nov 2010 #6
The fresh evidence about Columbus' background is revealed in a new book by Manuel Rosa

it's not fresh evidence. i was given a convincing theory about his understanding of language and sailing skills... twenty years ago. and of course the fact that he may have been Polish.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
29 Nov 2010 #7
Wasn't the Polish mariner Jan of Kolno the first to discover America?
shewolf 5 | 1,077
29 Nov 2010 #8
The Irish got there long before other Europeans. Saint Brendan

Isn't there a calendar written in stone in a cave somewhere in the U.S. that proves that the Irish or "Celts" were there long before the others?

I always thought Amerigo Vespucci is credited for having discovered America and that's where the name America came from.

And the Chinese are also thought to have discovered America.
Teffle 22 | 1,321
29 Nov 2010 #9
It was already there you know ; )
ShortHairThug - | 1,103
29 Nov 2010 #10
But it was Leif Erickson who first discovered America and the Vikings had been the first settlers
there...I wish the media would more concentrate on that!!!

Even there you will find Polish accent. I once read that there were two Poles that took part in that voyage Wyzdarwoda and Tyrker according to some old Icelandic Saga where they were mentioned, although some think that Tyrker himself might have been German from Bavaria. According to the Saga it was him that pointed out the vine plant with which he was very familiar and for which the new land was named. There also was an article in Journal de Genève in the 60’s where some lunatic claimed that Leif Eriksson himself was Polish borne in Kołobrzeg and he as his direct descendent has proof to back up his claim. Both of those were never explored any further so just file them under science fiction for now and treat it as an interesting bit of trivia.
zetigrek
29 Nov 2010 #11
Read this:

I have been told that the Poles are not to sharp, but to own up to having anything to do with America is really funny. Surgest you keep cavy and let someone else take the blame.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1333895/Christopher-Columbus-Polish- Portuguese-claim-historians.html

Now let someone tell me that there is no antipolish sentiment...

Colombowicz :-)

he also was polish:
Teffle 22 | 1,321
29 Nov 2010 #12
The daily mail are anti EVERYTHING that isn't white, British, aspiring-to-middle-class and conservative.

ALL immigrants and the unemployed are are particular target. The Irish come in for a fair bashing usually too - and this will only get worse in the current climate.

It's an absolute rag.

It's worse than The Sun. It's The Sun without breasts.

I actually wouldn't trust or associate with anyone who buys it as it says a lot about them.
zetigrek
29 Nov 2010 #13
The daily mail are anti EVERYTHING that isn't white, British, middle class and conservative.

but the guy is Aussie not british middle class (middle?! I would presume lower...)
Teffle 22 | 1,321
29 Nov 2010 #14
Yeah, but they picked up on the opinion because it suited them. Privately the DM probably hate this guy too ; )

middle?! I would presume lower

Kind of. Not really. I edited above for clarification : )
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699
29 Nov 2010 #15
Wasn't the Polish mariner Jan of Kolno the first to discover America?

wasnt his last name gorecki?
Barney 15 | 1,500
29 Nov 2010 #16
Isn't there a calendar written in stone in a cave somewhere in the U.S. that proves that the Irish or "Celts" were there long before the others?

I'm not sure about that but I remember either hearing or reading a report of Europeans, Including Irish speakers, encountering native Americans and one of the Natives spoke some words of Gaelic.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
29 Nov 2010 #17
By rights it should not be Columbowicz (which would have meant 'Kolumb's son') but Krzysztof Władysławowicz or, in older Polish, Władysławic.

My Spanish aint' that good so could anyone tell me if it would be Ladislarez (patterned on Spanish patroynmics such as Gonzalez, Perez, Sanchez, Fenandez et al), or does that hold only for indigenously Spanish Christian names? Władysław is Ladislao in Spanish.
Harry
29 Nov 2010 #18
one of the Natives spoke some words of Gaelic.

Don't we all when we've had enough sauce?
zetigrek
29 Nov 2010 #19
I don't give a flying f if Columb had any Polish roots. And yes I'm Polish (where are all those guys who complain on Poles being too much... polocentric?)
pgtx 30 | 3,156
29 Nov 2010 #20
when Krzysiek got there, Hamerica was already discovered... :)
Marek11111 9 | 816
29 Nov 2010 #21
lets blame Poles for genocide of American natives too maybe Hitler was a Pole too so we can blame for holocaust, wait a minute the concentration camps were in Poland so Poles were responsible.
Trevek 26 | 1,702
29 Nov 2010 #22
Come on, it's obvious why the Italian myth came out. If Columbus had arrived in US and said he was Polish he'd have been refused a visa.

maybe Hitler was a Pole too so we can blame for holocaust,

Well, there's a thread asking if Bavarians are Poles...
shewolf 5 | 1,077
29 Nov 2010 #23
My Spanish aint' that good so could anyone tell me if it would be Ladislarez (patterned on Spanish patroynmics such as Gonzalez, Perez, Sanchez, Fenandez et al), or does that hold only for indigenously Spanish Christian names? Władysław is Ladislao in Spanish.

This is just a guess but Władysławic would probably be translated to Ladeslavo because slavic is eslavo in Spanish. From there it might become Ladeslaves for "the son of" but I doubt those names exist. Ladislao is probably correct for both names or maybe even Ladislaos to make it plural.
zetigrek
29 Nov 2010 #24
Wszystko byłoby pięknie, gdyby nie fakt, że Kolumb urodził się... dziesięć lat po śmierci Warneńczyka.

deser.pl/deser/1,83453,8737849,_Kolumb_byl_Polakiem_____mowi_po rtugalski_naukowiec.html
Maybe 12 | 409
29 Nov 2010 #25
"Discovered America", this is always the language used. Discovered for who?
Surely the first people to discover America were the natives. Perhaps centuries before the Vikings, the Mayan and Aztec might have travelled from their lands and "Discovered" America.

The daily mail are anti EVERYTHING that isn't white, British, aspiring-to-middle-class and conservative.

Absolutely true 100%. The very scum of the earth.
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2,019
29 Nov 2010 #26
But it was Leif Erickson who first discovered America

THAT'S RIGHT!

and the Vikings had been the first settlers
there...I wish the media would more concentrate on that!!!

BB the avangard of truth!

when Krzysiek got there, Hamerica was already discovered... :)

Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,988
29 Nov 2010 #27
BB the avangard of truth!

Yeah...that's me! Vikings rules!
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2,019
29 Nov 2010 #28
Vikings rules!

Oh well I don't have THAT much over for Vikings...
I think history in Norwegian history books kind of focu too much on Viking era.

They should more focus on how the constitution was made in 1814 and how we got to be in a Union with Sweden...

But but... We dicsovered America! ;D

(Yet we did **** about it daaaamn)
shewolf 5 | 1,077
29 Nov 2010 #29
"Discovered America", this is always the language used. Discovered for who?
Surely the first people to discover America were the natives. Perhaps centuries before the Vikings, the Mayan and Aztec might have travelled from their lands and "Discovered" America.

Yes, the natives did travel from Asia to the Americas as we all know but the explorers were talking about discovering the land that no one else but the natives had found or inhabited. They probably figured the natives had always been there.
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2,019
29 Nov 2010 #30
They probably figured the natives had always been there.

Or better... Illegal immigration! That's why they were so hostile towards! It explains everything ;)


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