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The Polish Blame Culture!


OP Amathyst 19 | 2,702
25 Apr 2010 #31
nope, I heard yanks argueing with brits about who won the war and who helped who and who lost more people plenty of times.

Different argument...Besides...The Yanks have different time scales for WWII, they take it from Pearl Harbor..Dont get me wrong, we couldnt have dont it without you lot..we needed the money and the help and it was much appreciated - but you had your own agenda, but it was to our advantage..I suppose thats how war is for Yanks..
frd 7 | 1,399
25 Apr 2010 #32
Why would i when i already have the answer?

sorry I wasn't aiming at you just a general though.
Chicago Pollock 7 | 504
25 Apr 2010 #33
In all seriousness though, what do you think about what I said regarding Teheran? Surely you've come across the implications of this conference in your readings? Do you reckon HMG should have told Poland?

England isn't responsible for Tehran. Nobody wanted to extend WWII and take on the Russians over Poland. England and the US are democracies and wars cannot be extended indefinitely. The English 8th Army almost mutinied in 1943 over the invasion of Normandy they were that sick of War.

How is it that Poland defeated the Bolsheviks in 1920 and twenty years later lose to the Germans in 6 weeks with a million man army? POLAND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR POLAND.
OP Amathyst 19 | 2,702
25 Apr 2010 #34
England isn't responsible for Tehran. Nobody wanted to extend WWII and take on the Russians over Poland. England and the US are democracies and wars cannot be extended indefinitely

Thank you. Can you also go on to explain that England finally re-paid its WWII debt to the US a couple of years ago?

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4757181.stm
Ozi Dan 26 | 569
25 Apr 2010 #35
Personally, I would have preferred to have formed an alliance with Russian, Stallin liked Churchill and admired the British forces, therefore there would have been no need for Yalta. And I wouldnt have had to listen to your whining!

Nice one. It's comments like that that tell me these issues will never be resolved and the Poms will keep whining and never accept that they stabbed an ally in the back. So I guess that means the hundreds of thousands of Poles who flocked to the British colours wouldn't have been there to assist your country in WW2. Perhaps the Battle of Britain would have turned out differently, and you'd be speaking in German, and I wouldn't have to listen to your 'whining'? Think about that scenario - finding coal would have been the least of a Pom's troubles.

England isn't responsible for Tehran.

I know it wasn't. But England did not tell Poland about the deal struck there, that being Stalin would effectively have carte blanche vis a vis his territorial aspirations on Poland. Nor did England raise any relevant protest to that fait accompli. The 'backstab' lies not only in that instance, but also in the fact that HMG used Polish forces thereafter when HMG knew that Poland would effectively cease to exist after WW2. Poland was not given opportunity to consider its involvement. Appeasement and 'amicable' relations between SU and GB were forged at Poland's expense. It's really that simple.
OP Amathyst 19 | 2,702
25 Apr 2010 #36
Poms will keep whining

Just that comment there makes me stop reading because it shows you are an ignorant ill educated moron.

I have 3 generations of family in Aus - the 2nd and 3rd born there and non of them would use the word "pom" - I guess you are a bit of an ignorant lout who still considers it okay to use the term "pom".
Chicago Pollock 7 | 504
25 Apr 2010 #37
Appeasement and 'amicable' relations between SU and GB were forged at Poland's expense. It's really that simple.

England was disappointed that "Poland fell silent" after '39 invasion. People were counting on you guys. Were's the fight? Didn't Putin allude to that point earlier this year? Who really back stabbed Poland? I have some theories. Good title for another thread.
OP Amathyst 19 | 2,702
25 Apr 2010 #38
Were's the fight? Didn't Putin allude to that point earlier this year? Who really back stabbed Poland? I have some theories. Good title for another thread.

Care to elaborate? I didnt catch Putin's conversation.
Ozi Dan 26 | 569
25 Apr 2010 #39
Just that comment there makes me stop reading because it shows you are an ignorant ill educated moron.

That's curious, given that I wrote a lot more relevant stuff before I made that comment and you chose not to respond. What your comment tells me is that you have no response, and instead choose to make a personal attack against me. It's your prerogative, but bear in mind that it doesn't fool me.

England was disappointed that "Poland fell silent" after '39 invasion.

That's an excellent reason to stab Poland in the back, isn't it. I'll assume you're totally unfamiliar with Poland's contribution post '39 as a comment like that suggests same, or alternatively you're just making it to inflame? Which one mate?

I have some theories.

Share them then, rather than obfuscating. I put my proposition forward re Teheran and you've given no tangible response, except to intemperately say that Poland collapsed after '39 and made no further contribution to the fight, which is an insult to the memory of those Poles who perished under allied colours.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
25 Apr 2010 #40
Well they did model themselves on the fascists and held similar views, and later on excelled at killing women and children.

What are you on about?
OP Amathyst 19 | 2,702
25 Apr 2010 #41
By the way the debt including interst we paid off was £225bn- by this reckoning we owe Poles fek all!

obfuscating

If you're confused then maybe it's time to go to bed? Rather than trying to use complexed words in an argument you are hardly likely to win.

which is an insult to the memory of those Poles who perished under allied colours.

Dito - when some c*nt on here tells me that Britain sold them down the river and didnt give a $hit......I rather like the blunt approach in these conversations..rather than using words with 4 or more sybilles, its not that Im not articulate, I just dont see the point in pontificating..
Ozi Dan 26 | 569
25 Apr 2010 #42
Dito - when some c*nt on here tells me that Britain sold them down the river and didnt give a $hit......I rather like the blunt approach in these conversations..rather than using words with 4 or more sybilles, its not that Im not articulate, I just dont see the point in pontificating..

Fair enough. I had hoped to engage you in a reasonable and respectful discussion, but if you think it's acceptable to swear at someone on an internet forum then that's you're prerogative. Forgive me however if I don't return the expletives or correct you on your spelling errors or gammatical misconceptions, but I'm not cut from the same cloth as you.

Have a good evening ma'm - hopefully I've at least given you some food for thought.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
25 Apr 2010 #43
so when will all the blame culture end?

Blame for what?

When do countries actually start to be accountable for their own mistakes?

Could you please name a few polish mistakes that Poland blaims on someone else?

Or will the they continue to say "Yalta"

So its about British treason, a british person bytches about those pesky foreigners bearing a grudge against the british treason:)

Sorry but we have a point and remembering how f*cked up the West is is ceirtanly worth it, if just not to make a mistake by throwing our lot with the Brits in the future so i'm a big fan of the "blame culture".

by this reckoning we owe Poles fek all!

Nobody on these forums ever said or implied you owe us anything, the sentiment is just that you're a pile of unreliable focks who're a completely worthless political partner, you still are by the way given how the West acted when Kaczyński bit the dust.
Chicago Pollock 7 | 504
25 Apr 2010 #44
Share them then, rather than obfuscating. I put my proposition forward re Teheran and you've given no tangible response, except to intemperately say that Poland collapsed after '39 and made no further contribution to the fight, which is an insult to the memory of those Poles who perished under allied colours.

The Western Powers didn't back stab Poland. They weren't going to take on Russia over Poland. Your military and political leadership capitulated in the '39 invasion. They had to? How else could they be surprised and unprepared?

If they (Allies) would have taken on the Russians in '45 what would the Poles have done? Huh? About 10 million were dead, a bunch more in gulags, Country was flattened. You're being unreasonable. Poland left itself wide open in WWII.
OP Amathyst 19 | 2,702
25 Apr 2010 #45
Nice one. It's comments like that that tell me these issues will never be resolved and the Poms will keep whining

That's curious, given that I wrote a lot more relevant stuff before I made that comment

Both were your opening comments...Sweetie, read your posts again.

obfuscating

LOL..did you get this off the back of a cornflake packet today?
bolek 6 | 330
25 Apr 2010 #46
Its been over 60 years since the war ended and its been 20 years in Poland since communism came to an abrupt end...so when will all the blame culture end? When do countries actually start to be accountable for their own mistakes? Or their own misgivings? Or will the they continue to say "Yalta"

Reluctantly on this Sunday with blue skies and warm fresh air I take pen to paper and just say that we need to remember, firstly there is still some unfinished business to attend to and secondly we remember to ensure that these events do not repeat themselves, I thought you were a lot smarter Amathyst, I now have my doubts!
Ozi Dan 26 | 569
25 Apr 2010 #47
They weren't going to take on Russia over Poland.

I've never suggested they should have, and this would indeed have been folly, not to mention the millions of allied lives that would have been lost. To be clear, my argument has nothing to do with the Allies taking on the SU, but rather what GB failed to do during WW2 when the die had not yet been cast.

What do you think about Anders request in May/June 45 to release Polish soldiers to fight on back to Poland being met with indignation and refusal from HMG? I think that answers

If they (Allies) would have taken on the Russians in '45 what would the Poles have done? Huh?

Sokrates 8 | 3,346
25 Apr 2010 #48
The Western Powers didn't back stab Poland. They weren't going to take on Russia over Poland.

No you cretin, they decided to not attack Germany at Abbeville, that was against the spirit and the letter of all agreements and thats called treason.

As for the logic that UK couldnt do anything, UK had a massive fleet and 100~k modern troops that it could land anywhere from Calais to Constanta.

No one is unreasonable in that allies should have taken on Russia, but they could have say so openly to Poles and help us preserve our national integrity abroad, instead they abandoned Poland and all Poles, even the ones who defended Britain.

Even today there's fruits of this, the 1939 Polish-German war was one of the more savagely fought campaigns of WW2 while the western history attempts to sell it as a minor action, the West not only betrayed Poles but continues to belittle their role today to shove their own immoral acts under the carpet along with all of Poland, sorry for not being good little Poles and keeping quiet about it.
OP Amathyst 19 | 2,702
25 Apr 2010 #49
Blame for what?

Look at this thread and how Britain is still blamed for Polands problems..how we sold YOU up the river!

Could you please name a few polish mistakes that Poland blaims on someone else?

Again - read the thread, aparently Britain is to blame no other Eurpean country..just Britain.

So its about British treason, a british person bytches about those pesky foreigners bearing a grudge against the british treason:)

Its not Treason, (look at the definition)...its just whinning, ungrateful and miserable.

Sorry but we have a point and remembering how f*cked up the West is is ceirtanly worth it,

Did stop 100s of 1,000s coming here did though?
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
25 Apr 2010 #50
treason.

I suggest you look up the word.

Some mad ****** on this thread.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
25 Apr 2010 #51
Look at this thread and how Britain is still blamed for Polands problems..how we sold YOU up the river!

Well you did sell us up the river and we like to remember such stuff, do you get pointed at by Poles in UK? Do you get treated worse because of it? Did someone demand money from you on the basis of being British?

Again - read the thread, aparently Britain is to blame no other Eurpean country..just Britain.

Of course not, Poland was the great loser of WW2, sold and betrayed by France, UK and USA and ravaged by Germany and Russia, you can't expect us to forget all that and as far as i know it doesnt influence our personal relations in UK or our work efficiency, we're also unlikely to go genocidal on anyone because of it so whats the issue here?

its just whinning, ungrateful and miserable.

Sorry to sh*t on your carpet just make sure your kids dont do the same to Poland when you become a caliphate.

The fact is it annoys people that a poor country that they just found even exists has pretentions, it cramps their style, no one likes the poor, especially the poor that demand moral recognition.

Did stop 100s of 1,000s coming here did though?

Pecunia non olet :) No one said we hate UK, and we love your money.
Chicago Pollock 7 | 504
25 Apr 2010 #52
Sokrates, in other posts about this subject I've read where you've mentioned that Poland military leadership didn't coordinate it's units, that they didn't conduct wargames, etc. Why is that? How could Poland be so competent against Bolsheviks and so incompetent against Germany 20 years later? There is a reason for their incompetence. These are the questions that Poles should be asking.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
25 Apr 2010 #53
These are the questions that Poles should be asking.

There's a difference, our leaders mistakes or lack of thereof wouldnt change anything except buying us 5-6 more weeks , doing the right thing at the right time by France and UK would have ended the war there and then.
Marek11111 9 | 816
25 Apr 2010 #54
Amathyst
Its been over 60 years since the war ended and its been 20 years in Poland since communism came to an abrupt end...so when will all the blame culture end? When do countries actually start to be accountable for their own mistakes? Or their own misgivings? Or will the they continue to say "Yalta"

how dare you talk like this, it's you leaders condemn Poland and millions of people to occupation and slavery and murder for generation while you and you leaders make excuses for betrayal of Poland but that was OK as Britain wanted to keep their colonies so why not stab a friend in back who came to defend your freedom in most crucial hour.

you should be ashamed, you should try to do make amendments for action of your country leaders.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
25 Apr 2010 #55
When do countries actually start to be accountable for their own mistakes?

Good question.
When will England be finally held accountable for helping Hitler to get power and then to conduct the war at the cost of tens of millions of people?

Btw. has the Bank of England returned all the proceeds of war crimes yet?
plk123 8 | 4,149
25 Apr 2010 #56
We started 'em.

no "we" didn't.. where the hell do you come up with this stuff?

They were in no condition in 1939 to militarily challenge Germany (remember Dunkirk?). You weren't back stabbed.

then they shouldn't have made any agreements with poland.. back stabbed, unfortunately YES.

Hitler was ranting for 10 years before 1939. How could Poland military be unprepared for 1939 invasion???? Or surprised as they claim.

who is claiming that PL was surprised? nobody in PL was, i can assure of that.. what PL was shocked about was that an "ally" wouldn't step up to their CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION! see link in post #27

we were the only country that stood by

got that right.. just stood by and watched PL get pommeled. nice and oh so helpful.

Im pretty dissapointed they dont see what we lost as a result of entering the war

GB surely didn't enter the war on PL's behalf or anyone else's for that matter.. GB entered for revenge and maybe at Yank's arm yanking.. not to save France or anything either.. let's not kid ourselves here. and another thing, if not for the yanks and the poles and others, you'd also be speaking german. :D

How is it that Poland defeated the Bolsheviks in 1920 and twenty years later lose to the Germans in 6 weeks with a million man army?

are you kidding me? wow.. no idea, eh? thus, there is really no sense even talking with you.. jeez.

POLAND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR POLAND.

i surely agree with that though (except that tiny little 1939 obligation i mentioned earlier) and wish PL would stick with that motto these days.

Nice one. It's comments like that that tell me these issues will never be resolved and the Poms will keep whining and never accept that they stabbed an ally in the back. So I guess that means the hundreds of thousands of Poles who flocked to the British colours wouldn't have been there to assist your country in WW2. Perhaps the Battle of Britain would have turned out differently, and you'd be speaking in German, and I wouldn't have to listen to your 'whining'?

lol

Appeasement and 'amicable' relations between SU and GB were forged at Poland's expense. It's really that simple.

how come you get it and most don't??

I have 3 generations of family in Aus

you had that many criminals in your bloodlines? lol

I have some theories.

you're an idiot at this point.. so whatever..

England was disappointed that "Poland fell silent" after '39 invasion.

why do you that was?? those blokers didn't lift a finger to help PL like they agreed to do.. *******..

Which one mate?

he's no mate, he's an idiot pollock.. eff him man.

you've given no tangible response,

see above.. ****** time.

Rather than trying to use complexed words

here:
obfuscate: to be evasivelol

Ozi Dan:
which is an insult to the memory of those Poles who perished under allied colours.

Dito - when some c*nt on here tells me that Britain sold them down the river and didnt give a $hit.

right on.. you guys gave poland colours.. woohoo.. whatever..

you're a pile of unreliable focks

lol.. tru, tru.. :D :D

You're being unreasonable. Poland left itself wide open in WWII.

let me repeat it.. you're a dolt.. go fly off a bridge or something.. you make just about 0 sense.. dum bass..

we sold YOU up the river!

that's right you did.. PL should blame itse;f for trusting the brits in the first place.. big lesson as a few of us have alluded to.. we shall remember.. you can call it whining but i'll call it "not forgetting".. eh? because what's done is done.. can't go back..

aparently Britain is to blame no other Eurpean country..just Britain.

nope.. France too but that just hasn't come up until now.. (ok Sok mentioned it a few post up from this)

How could Poland be so competent against Bolsheviks and so incompetent against Germany 20 years later?

look it up dummy.. look it up..

doing the right thing at the right time by France and UK would have ended the war there and then.

they are gonna hate that one Sok.. :D

Good question.
When will England be finally held accountable for helping Hitler to get power and then to conduct the war at the cost of tens of millions of people?
Btw. has the Bank of England returned all the proceeds of war crimes yet?

better get your plastic on as " Gallagher" will be unleashed for that one too.. :D :D :D
anton888 - | 82
25 Apr 2010 #57
I am reading this thread, I am not sure if Poles have a blame culture, for sure not more than Jews, but maybe, because,

As the name suggest, is world war, so it not only happened in Eurpe. China, Singapore, Hong Kong and more Asian countires were occupied by Japanese, in a non-systemic but extremely brutal way. If you talk to these people, they rarely mentioned it, only once in a while when Japanese tried to cover it up by changing history test book, then they all go out to protest for few days, and then nothing is mentioned again. If you ask those people why their conturies in their position now, they will telll you what they had done after the war (war is not mentioned, only the year). I never heard of something like "if there is no war, we will be MUCH .....ger'. Of course in 2010, yu will not heard of these countires, their citizens saying who and who did not help, and what will happen if any other country did what they SHOULD do. What should other do? Is war time, you are lucky if we can manage to feed all you people. There were 10s of millions of Chinese were killed, today they have 1,2 billion people, so that famous saying in EU "if there was now war, Poland will has 80 million people seems strange".

I do not know if Polish has blame culture, but look forward can only do good.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
25 Apr 2010 #58
"pom"

What is wrong with the term Pom?

What are you on about?

Learn your history
Marek11111 9 | 816
25 Apr 2010 #59
Or will the they continue to say "Yalta"

how dare you talk like this, it's you leaders condemn Poland and millions of people to occupation and slavery and murder for generation while you and you leaders make excuses for betrayal of Poland but that was OK as Britain wanted to keep their colonies so why not stab a friend in back who came to defend your freedom in most crucial hour.

you should be ashamed, you should try to do make amendments for action of your country leaders.
Mr Grunwald 29 | 1,961
25 Apr 2010 #60
I do not know if Polish has blame culture, but look forward can only do good.

Oh we are looking forward! Do we plan on conquering Europe or take revenge on our "allies"? No...

There re no political interest in moaning about what happened and claim anything for it.

Why is that? How could Poland be so competent against Bolsheviks and so incompetent against Germany 20 years later?

That's because Piłsudski knew about the messages the Soviets got in the 20's and they knew where they would move
While in 1939 anyhow they knew where the Germans were moving but with such limited capacities to do anything there couldn't be done anything at all! Especially at the point when Soviets entered Poland on the 17th! The French totally gave up after that

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