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If your ancestors were in the "Wehrmacht"...


THE HITMAN
28 Feb 2010 #91
how are your history grades????

Very good. And not only in one country, each country has its own versions.

Online games don't count, Hitty ;)

patronizer.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,423
28 Feb 2010 #92
Well, I would never call all these 'ski's in the Wehrmacht "traitors"!

I would never judge my ancestors before I didn't walk a week in their shoes...who am I to dare this!
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544
28 Feb 2010 #93
Poles weren't asked to join the Wehrmacht, only Germans.

Technically you are right. However it still leaves a lot of place for interpretation of the word German. Here where I live there are a lot of Vogels, Szulc's, Heagenbart's, Neuman's, Sperling's, etc and none of them actually can speak German. It's the same as it was during WWII. If you had a German name, you were asked to sign volkliste. Not signing it could mean future deportation to the Generalgouvernement für die besetzten polnischen Gebiete or a trip deep into the Reich to work as a slave labourer. It was a risk many would not take. Of course this doesn't mean that every wehrmacht soldier from Poznań or Nowy Tomyśl was actually drafted against their will. There were many that once captured by the allies told those stories just to save their own skin.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,423
28 Feb 2010 #94
However it still leaves a lot of place for interpretation of the word German.

Well, that's exactly the reason why such blunt judgements as from Hitty are so wrong!
Everything between our peoples was so mixed and so messed up....most of us have probably ancestors from both sides anyhow...
Bzibzioh
28 Feb 2010 #95
If you had a German name, you were asked to sign volkliste. Not signing it could mean future deportation to the Generalgouvernement für die besetzten polnischen Gebiete or a trip deep into the Reich to work as a slave labourer. It was a risk many would not take.

Sounds very familiar to me. My grandpa was ask "nicely" to join so he went into hiding with my father for the rest of the occupation. Grandpa's brother though was sent to forced labour to Germany and was never heard of again.

Everything between our peoples was so mixed and so messed up....most of us have probably ancestors from both sides anyhow..

Wanna hug Bratwurtski? :)
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,423
28 Feb 2010 #96
Sounds very familiar to me.

You are German too???

My....so many Germans in Poland....:)
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544
28 Feb 2010 #97
Everything between our peoples was so mixed and so messed up....most of us have probably ancestors from both sides anyhow...

Yeah, your family were die Polen, and mine were Bambry. :))
beelzebub - | 444
28 Feb 2010 #98
I am amused at people who weren't even alive in WWII hating other people who weren't alive in WWII because they are from the "enemy" side. Morons.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,423
28 Feb 2010 #99
Yeah, your family were die Polen, and mine were Bambry. :))

Bamberg? Ja???

Wanna hug Bratwurtski? :)

Please! *goes into hug position*
THE HITMAN
28 Feb 2010 #100
Grandpa's brother though was sent to forced labour to Germany and was never heard of again.

My uncle went down this road too, but luckily managed to escape making his way to Yugoslavia, from where he eventually joined General Anders.
wildrover 98 | 4,451
28 Feb 2010 #101
None of us who live today in a free world have the right to judge what somebody did in order to survive...I am old enough to have been in a situation where my life was in the hands of people who cared not a bit for it , and trust me , you do not worry too much about what is right and wrong , or how people will judge you in future years...You do whatever it takes to stay alive...The human intinct to survive is very strong , and can easily overide all other thoughts... Its easy to sit in your safe home saying you would rather die than do some of the terrible things that people did in the war , but untill you find yourself in such a situation...they are just words...
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544
28 Feb 2010 #102
Bamberg? Ja???

Well actually I am not sure. It's from my father's side of the family. They could have been from all over the reich, it's just that every descendant of German setlers that moved to Wielkopolska in the 18 century were being called Bambry.
THE HITMAN
1 Mar 2010 #103
People who have not lived through war have no business commenting.

so which war did you live through ?

Still haven,t answered my question.
Matowy - | 295
1 Mar 2010 #104
He never said he lived through a war. You, however, did. Which war did YOU live through?
THE HITMAN
1 Mar 2010 #105
People who have not lived through war have no business commenting.

So why is he commenting. His statement, not mine.

Yes, I did say I lived through a war, what business is it of yours which one.
Want a bun Trunky ?
wildrover 98 | 4,451
1 Mar 2010 #106
was it the cold war....or the cod war...?
Matowy - | 295
1 Mar 2010 #107
Yes, I did say I lived through a war, what business is it of yours which one.

You mistake my intentions. I have no interest in knowing which war you "lived" through. I already know that you have lived through no wars. I only ask because I want to see which war you picked to pretend you participated in. After that, I and others could drill you with one or two questions about that war (which you would fail to answer) and thus laugh at your attempt to big yourself up through lying.

But hey, all that's not necessary. It's enough to know that you are simply some lying, insecure teenage brat. I only asked because I wanted to satisfy my own perverted needs for the humiliation of others through their own fault. I love me some karma :)
THE HITMAN
1 Mar 2010 #108
I love me some karma

Read your childish post carefully my friend and be careful what you wish for.

Karma ? You certainly deserve it.
Matowy - | 295
1 Mar 2010 #109
Attack of the one-liners again? Yawn.
THE HITMAN
1 Mar 2010 #110
Slight contradiction ^^^^^^^

Looks like your friend beelzebub got the hump with you too. lol

Wind up merchant, go and play with someone else.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
1 Mar 2010 #111
For me - yes (have no idea and, frankly, don't care where others apply mediocrity to, paintings?).

I have seen you express political views here on PF. It would follow then that you consider yourself mediocre.

Sell-outs for something perceived as "superior" and shuffling aside one's roots and folks are by me mediocre personalities, talking about which wastes my time.

Which roots did Mickiewicz shuffle aside?
beelzebub - | 444
1 Mar 2010 #112
Looks like your friend beelzebub got the hump with you too. lol

It is annoying when non native English speakers try to use rare colloquialisms to sound clever. Usually they end up just muddying their point and looking foolish. But you would be used to looking foolish.
Nathan 18 | 1,363
1 Mar 2010 #113
I have seen you express political views here on PF. It would follow then that you consider yourself mediocre.

I re-read your question and I see why we misunderstood each other. I meant to say that there are political views which I consider mediocre and as a consequence a person who supports them. Having an opinion, a political one, has nothing wrong with it.

Which roots did Mickiewicz shuffle aside?

There is an article, which might explain the reasons I consider him a mediocre personality, though it has nothing to do with his literary works.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
1 Mar 2010 #114
I re-read your question and I see why we misunderstood each other. I meant to say that there are political views which I consider mediocre and as a consequence a person who supports them.

I wrote nothing about his political views or whether I supported them.
We've been talking about a poet, weren't we?

There is an article, which might explain the reasons I consider him a mediocre personality, though it has nothing to do with his literary works.

Indeed. Nada.
porzeczka - | 102
1 Mar 2010 #115
Mickiewicz was 'Lithuanian' in the same way Piłsudski was (Józef also called himself a Lithuanian). It were 'Lithuanians' like them who wanted Wilno to be part of Poland after WW1.

Here is an interesting article written by an American Lithuanian:
lituanus.org/1977/77_1_01.htm

In the course of this relationship, the cultural impact of the union was such that the educated elite of the more primitive partner abandoned its native language and became culturally subsumed into the donor society, in some way enriching the donor's culture as well.
By the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries few educated Lithuanians saw any contradiction in being Polish and Lithuanian simultaneously.

Looks like polish chauvinism ;)
Anyway, Mickiewicz probably had ruthenian/belarussian roots.
THE HITMAN
1 Mar 2010 #116
Stop avoiding the question.

People who have not lived through war have no business commenting.

Still haven,t answered my question.

Usually they end up just muddying their point and looking foolish.

You,ve just answered your own. Well done.

You contradict yourself too much !!!
OP Morsczi_Purtk 1 | 25
1 Mar 2010 #117
Morsczi_Purtk:
The vast majority of Kashubs, Poles etc. from the annexed territory did defently not collaborate with the Germans voluntarily, they were forced. Period.

Bull, whose generalizing now.

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksdeutsche

Ehr... I was talking about Kashubs and Poles and you are appear with a link that is about Volksdeutsche, about ethnic Germans. The ethnic Germans / Volksdeutsche that lived on the former German territory, wich was in this time Polish, did collaborate with the Germans. No doubts about that. They were caterozied as "DVL 2". But we aren't talking about these people, well I'm certainly not. We are talking about the people that were DVL 3.

After the war the communist lied, that the people that signed the DVL 3 were "Volksdeutsche" and collaborated with the Germans and couldn't wait to crawl as deep as they could into the Germans ass. What a crap...

Well, obviously you've belived in these lies, instead of informing yourself properly.

I know very well what I,m talking about.

We see how "very well" you know what you are talking about.

Mòrsczi Púrtk
THE HITMAN
1 Mar 2010 #118
^^^ Morsczi_Purtk ^^^

It all leads to the same issue. Volksdeutsche were conscripted into the wehrmacht. Are you in denial ?
German blood, German connections, whatever....... German.

And who informed you ?

The vast majority of Kashubs, Poles etc. from the annexed territory did defently not collaborate with the Germans voluntarily, they were forced. Period.

This is just YOUR opinion. Period.
Nathan 18 | 1,363
1 Mar 2010 #119
We've been talking about a poet, weren't we?

Wow, Darius. I do not criticize his literary achievements.

This is post #96. So no, I was talking about his political view, not poetry, even though I did say that it was a bit too soapy. Pardon my audacity ;)

In the course of this relationship, the cultural impact of the union was such that the educated elite of the more primitive partner abandoned its native language and became culturally subsumed into the donor society, in some way enriching the donor's culture as well.

Exactly what I meant, thank, Poki ;) Such an "elite" is a bunch of mediocre mfs.

Looks like polish chauvinism ;)

Looks like? ;)
OP Morsczi_Purtk 1 | 25
1 Mar 2010 #120
Morsczi_Purtk:
This is just YOUR opinion. Period.

Wrong again! If you would have informed yourself properly, you would have known that. But what can I expect from you, Hitmännchen (except of "stressing" 90 year old "traitors")?

Volksdeutsche were conscripted into the wehrmacht

No really? Didn't knew that...
The point is, that the Volksdeutsche went voluntarily to the Wehrmacht and became voluntarily citizen of the "Reich". The "DVL 3 men" were forced to do so, what means, that they were not traitors.

And who informed you ?

Many of people that been trough this, tons of German documents etc. etc.

Mòrsczi Púrtk


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