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Warning for posters who have been changing the names of famous Polish politicians, celebrities, etc.


Lenka Activity: 2 / 1,071
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9 Aug 2013  #1

Lately we have had a large number of posts in which posters have been changing the names of commonly known Polish people. At first it might have been funny but it has gone too far. The changing of names has mainly been used to wind up one's adversaries and that usually leads to off-topic arguments. Moreover it's misleading to any newcomers that want to get to know Polish politics and all of a sudden see 'Duck', 'Jabberwocky' etc. I think we are all capable of discussing different matters without such cheap shots. So I want to say that after discussing it with other moderators that we have decided that posts containing such remarks will be binned and if those posters continue with that practise it will end in a suspension.

pawian Activity: 127 / 6,582
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9 Aug 2013  #2

It doesn`t concern me so do as you wish..... :):):)
delphiandomine Activity: 56 / 15,108
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9 Aug 2013  #3

I think that's an excellent move Lenka :)

It works both ways of course, but it's a step in the right direction.

(...does it mean that my favourite "Dear Leader" is also banned?)
Harry Activity: 67 / 12,898
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9 Aug 2013  #4

does it mean that my favourite "Dear Leader" is also banned?

Good question. I was wondering about something rather similar myself.
delphiandomine Activity: 56 / 15,108
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9 Aug 2013  #5

I think - in the spirit of the rules (if not the exact letter) - we should agree not to use it and others. It's a small price to pay for not having to read any more nonsense about "Jabberwocky", "Shifty Don" and all the rest of it.
OP Lenka Activity: 2 / 1,071
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9 Aug 2013  #6

Hmm, I will think about it but I think it would be better if you just called ppl by their names.
Harry Activity: 67 / 12,898
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9 Aug 2013  #7

Even when their own supporters don't?

BTW, am I correct in thinking that this new policy also applies to 'comical' mis-spelling of people's names?
OP Lenka Activity: 2 / 1,071
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9 Aug 2013  #8

Absolutely yes :)
ShawnH Activity: 8 / 1,508
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10 Aug 2013  #9

BTW, am I correct in thinking that this new policy also applies to 'comical' mis-spelling of people's names?

Absolutely yes :)

Darn, I guess I will never try to spell Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz without doing a spell check ever again.
Polonius3 Activity: 984 / 11,550
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18 Aug 2013  #10

Merged: Name changing (using nicknames for political figures in discussions)?

Just to get this straight once and for all, using nicknames for poltical figures and public persons in general is unacceptable. Also changing PF forum nicks is banned. What about those who for convenience write P3 or Delph for short? Is that also out of bounds and the entire nick must be written out letter-perfect?
Polson Activity: 6 / 1,818
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18 Aug 2013  #11

I guess if it's not used to defame, denigrate, it's fine. Well, the mods probably know better.
OP Lenka Activity: 2 / 1,071
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18 Aug 2013  #12

The names of posters may be shortened in my opinion (maybe because I often shorten them myself) but in a way that does not inflame and things like that. As far as I'm concerned I will just judge it when I see it but I wouldn't say that as a rule you can't do it.
Ziemowit Activity: 7 / 2,267
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18 Aug 2013  #13

Some of the rules of the PF are very bizzare to say the least. I can see no reason whatsoever for not allowing nicknames of public figures. Either Gronkowiec or Duckboy should be allowed since people from the headlines are entitled to edure more than is an individual private person, and this is so in every country with courts in every country admitting that in verdicts. On the other hand, changing a PF member's nick to defame them should really be banned. Another story is calling someone names. Which is acceptable and which is not?

The strange thing about applying a forum rule which I remember was when someone replied to someone's post by citing a rather short Latin proverb or saying. This post was then deleted on the grounds that only English was allowed as a means of communication. That was so utterly stupid that I am impressed by such an action to this very day. It simply meant that a mod is taking all the people on the forum for dumb idiots who, even if they are not able to understand a proverb in Latin - these proverbs being the common European cultural heritage - cannot quickly check the meaning of the proverb on the internet. Rather than recognizing that a certain cultural code is being aptly used in communication, the mod decides that the proverb uses the wrong language of communication because it is not in English!!! The obvious conclusion is that it is not always good to apply the forum rules literally.
delphiandomine Activity: 56 / 15,108
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18 Aug 2013  #14

The problem is that the use of nicknames such as "Jabberwocky" instantly lowered the tone of conversation and almost immediately provoked trouble. When you look at previous threads, you can see that they quickly descended into something like -

"Jabberwocky and Shifty Don are in cahoots!"
"Like Father Maybach and Duckboy?"

etc etc. As Lenka said in the thread about the subject, it was becoming confusing for people to read - and it was being used to bait and provoke other posters. Then you had a certain poster making up names for famous people - so it was getting completely out of hand. I suspect that were people able to self-moderate their posts (using nicknames when appropriate) - then there wouldn't be a problem.
Harry Activity: 67 / 12,898
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2 Mar 2016  #15

Just a suggestion, but how about this rather successful rule is extended to cover all names? Not only those of people but also organisations, parties, groups, publications, everything. I'd certainly support extending this rule and would be happy to abide by an extended version of it if that was to be introduced.
Polonius3 Activity: 984 / 11,550
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2 Mar 2016  #16

Like Father Maybach and Duckboy

Do you really believe the PF's most obnoxious poster will willingly give up all his Duckboy, PiSlam, Mr Maybach, PiSed-up and similar sick garbage? Even if he says he will, who can believe the PF's No. 1 inveterate liar?
delphiandomine Activity: 56 / 15,108
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2 Mar 2016  #17

Just a suggestion, but how about this rather successful rule is extended to cover all names?

An excellent idea. I'd certainly like to see the end of the blatantly racist terms such as "Kosher Gazette".
Harry Activity: 67 / 12,898
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2 Mar 2016  #18

Duckboy, PiSlam, Mr Maybach, PiSed-up

I haven't posted two of those ever and I haven't posted the other two since being told not to. Nobody has to believe anybody else, people who don't observe the new extended rule will simply be banned.

I'd certainly like to see the end of the blatantly racist terms such as "Kosher Gazette".

This proposal would end that, if it is accepted and enforced.
johnny reb Activity: 11 / 1,823
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2 Mar 2016  #19

Oh lord, now we are going to get banned for using nicks........seriously.
What about us here who are Politicall InCorrect ?
I have been called a racist, homophobe, bigot, red neck, xenophobe, yank and guess what, not a drip of blood.
But those are o.k. because they are Politically Correct to insult me.
Sticks and stones break my bones but names don't hurt me.
The only thing that seems to be getting hurt is the libtards feelings and like I said, "I would rather live in a land of "hurt feelings then enslaved by Political Correctness".

Freedom of speech and expression trumps Political Correctness. :-)
gregy741 Activity: 3 / 726
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2 Mar 2016  #20

Bolek is legit
delphiandomine Activity: 56 / 15,108
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2 Mar 2016  #21

Not legit in the slightest, given that it was ruled in the Polish courts that it wasn't.

If you want to claim otherwise, go ahead and sue the person you think is Bolek.
johnny reb Activity: 11 / 1,823
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3 Mar 2016  #22

The American Bolek is dead.
I remember his father though.
His name was 'Cowkeeper'.
Is that the same Bolek as the Polish one ?
Polonius3 Activity: 984 / 11,550
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3 Mar 2016  #23

"Kosher Gazette

What is racist about it? It is simply a colourful descriptive. No-one gets offended but everyone know who is being referred to. Is scotch drinker or pasta eater racist?

I once proposed the mods create a catalogue of banned terms then we wouldn't have things like PiSed-up and PiSlamic state. But no-one saw fit to act on it. This also pertained to euphemistic spellings such as sh*t, shyte, sh1t, fcuk, friggin, fecking, f*uck and the like.
Harry Activity: 67 / 12,898
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3 Mar 2016  #24

we wouldn't have things like PiSed-up and PiSlamic state.

PiSed-up is already banned. Pislamic State would most probably be covered by the expanded rule too; although it names the structure created by PIS and does not actually rename PIS, I'd be happy to see it as being covered by the expanded ban if that helps the rule be expanded.

What is racist about it?

You are using it as a derogatory term based on the ethnicity of the editor, therefore it is racist.

Is that the same Bolek as the Polish one ?

So, clearly the use of a changed name instead of the real name of a Polish politician is causing confusion. It's hard to see why the mods allow 'Bolek' to be used, given that it clearly breaches even the existing unexpanded rule.
mafketis Activity: 16 / 3,833
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3 Mar 2016  #25

What is racist about it?

So you have no problem with renaming PiS Piwo and Salceson? It's just a colorful description of peasant fare....
Ziemowit Activity: 7 / 2,267
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3 Mar 2016  #26

It's hard to see why the mods allow 'Bolek' to be used, given that it clearly breaches even the existing unexpanded rule.

Why? Everyone in Poland either think that Wałęsa is Bolek or think otherwise. That means that everyone, including Wałęsa himself, associate him to Bolek in one way or another. When Wałęsa says: "I am not Bolek", he is also referring to himself as Bolek. So you are wrong saying that calling Wałęsa Bolek breaks any rule on the PF.

no problem with renaming PiS Piwo and Salceson?

Oh, I like itI Never heard it before, but I do like it. Reading the PF is not always a waste of time ...
Harry Activity: 67 / 12,898
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3 Mar 2016  #27

When Wałęsa says: "I am not Bolek", he is also referring to himself as Bolek.

Interesting logic. So if you were to say "I'm not Donald Trump", by your logic you'd be referring to yourself as Donald Trump.

Anyway, is there any chance of any comment from a mod about this proposal? I see that a certain poster has started talking about "GW" instead of 'Kosher Gazette', so has a quiet word been had before bans are handed out to others for posting what has been accepted for years from other posters?
Polonius3 Activity: 984 / 11,550
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3 Mar 2016  #28

before bans are handed out

Bans should be handed out first and foremost to the incorrigble loudmouth and glarehead and his PiSlamic State. Let it go on record that, after the issue appeared to have been cleared up, it was he who first reverted to such cock-eyed distortions, thereby inviting others to follow suit. Unless he enjoys some privileged position on PF and can get away with murder.
Dougpol1 Activity: 19 / 1,529
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3 Mar 2016  #29

This is all bollocks. What about the Drumphfinator for Donald Drumph in America?

I will just refer to Kaczynski in future as "That xenophobic clown."
Harry Activity: 67 / 12,898
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3 Mar 2016  #30

This is all bollocks.

Actually the rule has worked quite well. I firmly believe extending it would help greatly too.

I will just refer to Kaczynski in future as "That xenophobic clown."

Why can't you just call him "that Kaczynski" (or perhaps "that Kaczynski (who in my opinion is a xenophobic clown)")?




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