Thinking of working or investing in Poland (Think AGAIN!) Experience and attitude of British toward Poland.

Lodzland,

I have never bothered writing on this forum before now.

I am British born to polish parents, I my father thought for Britain in the polish 2nd corps under the british 8th army, my parents owed their lives and freedom to Britain, but also were very sad to be exiled in Britain after the war.

I am loyal to both Poland and England, I am sure that maybe you kind of felt this way when you met your polish wife, visited and had a chance to see the wonder and charm of Poland, as I saw it when I visited.

I moved to Poland a year or so with my British wife, we like the freedom and lifestyle, a bit like Britain in the late 60's , kids can walk to school alone, you can leave the house open (I live in a village in Silesia).

I knew when I came here I would not be able to find any work (I spent 30 years in IT ended up head of IT for a global engineering company) I had travelled the world, and have not found the peace and tranquillity I have here in Poland.

I am truly sorry things have not worked out for you at the moment, but I can see why, I grew up in a polish family, and I understand how things work differently in Poland and how this could catch someone out moving in, but these things happen (I was given the task to help set up a distribution hub in China oh and romania, what an expensive nightmare) but these things happen.

Please ignore the negative comments here, think about your wife and child, you are right to go back to the UK,

I am sure you can get your career going again and make a tidy bit of cash, I did I am retired 53. That's what IT can do!! And as you see I cant spell or string a sentence together either.

BUT please don't forget Poland, It's a great place to retire buy a house and live in holy peace as they say in Poland, for your child's sake please do not take the negatives you have experienced to much to heart your child or yourself may one or day wish to be back in Poland.

oh a final note for anyone who wishes to be a troll.

Having a polish first name and surname lining in England at times gave me disadvantages a follows:-

my father got regular Nazi salutes from kids in the street ( as immigrants you kind of start off in the worst part of town)
I struggled at times to get job interviews (One said they were surprised to see that I was white 1979)
I have been called a white N*****
I have been told that my mother was a polish Wxxxx and that I came from a achoholic race (Yes I can't spell don't care don't need to anymore ) ..... and many beatings in the playground to boot.

Non of the above ever stopped me getting on, I have no complaints , the bully's and idiots ended up in prison or on the dole, one bully once worked for me, he ended up ok in the end

Go home make some dosh and maybe come back someday.

BTW

Noted how the forum thread gets changed and get edited and some post removed to discredit.

Clearly freedom of information is some thing what is ONLY A EDIT AWAY to push your own agenda here on this website

busted

Come now play all inocent

Loving this thread. I could do with a laugh :)

Yours,

..........Nottingham Forest supporter :(

That bollox you wrote at the end there

"Experience and attitude of British toward Poland."

Is of your own making, Its neither mine or my opinion and clearly a baiting to stir RACIAL HATE

Confess, who was it

dolnoslask, I am glad to see there are sensible moral people on this forum, well done for sharing.


I recall you asking for information on PF about your investment in Lodz.

Firstly the initial developers of your project where Australian NOT Polish.If you did not do your own due diligence before investing then more fool you.

I would like to add I also find it offensive people on this forum are question your Brutishness, many are forgetting their children are second generation immigrants in the UK, their wives are first generation immigrants in the UK. If you are a child of first generation immigrants born in the UK, why should that undermine your brutishness- you have a British passport - Your British?

Of course the people questioning your Brutishness may be passive racists.

From reading your posts I can see how you got yourself juiced in Poland, you bought the dream you could/should have done more research. Take this experience as a lesson in life, move on and become a winner. In order to make money, you have to know how to loose money.

Poland is not a country for trusting people like yourself, you have to be life smart and have the capacity to pull the trigger. If Poles believe you can be rolled, you will be rolled time and time again. Take from this experience the positive you are a trustworthy person, this playground is not for you your not willing to dig deep enough to survive.

Good luck for the future, I hope 2015 will be your year.

So is the EDITOR who wrote "Experience and attitude of British toward Poland." going to come forward
I can see your attempt yet again to derail and bait people into something what was a warning to other Brits.
This sort of EDITING to discredit is another nail in your coffin.

I made it clear before, I have no problem with Poland or its people, I have problems with CRIME and crazy people and things I still need to adjust too.

Your clearly hiding now that your busted! I said before this is the impression I get in Poland, that I am a blank canvas as to the culture, and ways and that its my minds way of reasoning with my new surroundings and that as a canvas I also have the ability to correct and change my view of what I experienced and impressions I got.

No but your narcissistic EGO has lead you to indulgent in poor practices. None of you even offed a solution other than to attack. Except dolnoslask

He is spot on! 100%

Bye, never again.

Thanks Drinksout, if you really need to know, the notary got my wife to sign while I was outside the room attending to the baby.

Since then its been a onslaught to flees money. The latest the community looking to get cash to do what the developer is meant to do.

I put them all back in their place. Not one penny and I did it with a smile on my face and knowing how too.

Would it have mattered if I was in the room or not, I don't know, these guy's were pro's
I rather focus on getting back on track and our life's back to normal. Its not all about the money.
Could have left a long time ago, but not giving up without a fight and wife and child.

Out of here. Bye

quote by LodzLand:


So you didn't come to Poland physically but are trapped here mentally ?
quote by rozumiemnic:


That is the best explaination I have read yet.
My guess would be if the truth be known is: you came from Australia because you were transparent to Australian women and developed an inferiority complex even though you had some cash to flash.

So after hearing the stories of desperation of young Polish girls you came to Poland to be a huge hit.
You then proceeded to get a Polish girl pregnant and pi$$ed your inheritance away trying to keep your image up as a high tech IT guy.

Once reality set, as you said, "my hands are tied - I am trapped".
The quick fix for your pretentious image came to an abrupt hault when the money ran out.
You don't want to go back home broke with an image of failure because of your bad choices.
So now you are playing your last straw called the 'blame game'. It's Polands fault as you stated.
Best you lower your standards of your pseudo image and take any job you can get to support your family the best you can.
Game Over !

I fking hope those questions are not on the UK residency test, cos even i don't have a friggen clue on 75% and anyone who does needs a damn good slap.


Really don't like it when people accuse others of that, define failure....OK he's moaning a bit and made some bad decisions but 'failure'...please.. Put yourself in his shoes.


LOL

Its tough Lodzland, you'll be alright mate. Try to look at the positives and make some firm decisions, its not easy in Poland..... no way....is it. If 'what' some 4 million Poles can't make it what chance do foreigners have, unless they are:

1: Incredibly savvy
2: Wealthy
3: Have connections
4: Lucky

I know lots of educated Poles over here in the UK doing well, who couldn't make it in Poland.

Your posts attract negativity because of the content, you've been unreasonable and heavily biased.

When i went to Poland in December 2005 i was a 29 year old cocky, business confident, arrogant little prick. I sometimes shudder at my mind set from back then. I was so sure that i would make millions in Poland that i had absolutely no regard for failure (in a monetary sense) at all. For the first three months it was casinos, beering it up at fancy restaurants and basically doing what ever the hell i wanted, when ever i wanted with some business in between. I remember having wads of thousands of PLN in cash at the place we were renting and playing poker with them as to whether we would go out that night or not with my wife.

In times of boom economies this is easy to do, i had a network of UK agencies waiting to sell Polish property back in the UK.......it was so easy, meet client at the airport show them some property, give them the sales spiel, get them to sign on the dotted line and hey presto another few thousand Zloty, we also used to arrange mortgages, property management and got a kick back on that too. Fast forward to after 2008 and the picture wasn't rosey. A UK FX financial company went into administration with a substantial amount of my money in their system and this is when alarm bells started to ring and i knew that our situation was unatainable and that we would have to leave. Shortly after that my wife became pregnant with our first child.

Theres no benefit system in Poland, no net for people who cannot support themselves, so we had to leave. I wouldn't allow my wife to work (no disrespect to you) as she didn't want to and i am a firm believer that a mother should be at home with the child - especially in its infancy.

Unable to sell the main property that we had bought in Poland we simply left, this was in April 2010. We had to rebuild our lives in the UK and manage some tough times. It wasn't a problem for me as i come from a working class background and had no problem with the yes sir no sir mentality, even if i despised it. But in reality all servitude is like that anyway, no matter where you maybe on the social ladder.

I'm intrigued by this thread in terms of its ability to connect on a level that we can all associate with.

Its amusing how many people on here are so successful in monetary terms by their own definitions. Take Harry for example, i guarantee he has some sh1tty job but makes out like he earns around 200,000 PL / year and johnny reb he's rich too, and Wulkan well he's a Rolls Royce engineer didn't you know....on £50k a year. I suspect the reality is somewhat different. Its only the internet guys, lets just be honest with each other shall we? Lets not let society dictate our lives and say the things which we think will make others envious.

We're all on the same planet, we all need to be happy, or none of us will be......eventually.

Finally, a few people making a constructive contribution to what had become a bunch of nasty schoolboys in the playground. You obviously all get some kind of huge kick out of knocking someone whilst they are down.

Lodzboy, you need to take a step back, stop responding to these people. You are obviously in a bad place and this kind of interaction is not helping you.

Ps in response to questions about Captain Mainwaring, you really are showing your age.

I Think that Poland is a great country to invest.

Stable, with a highly educated population, good commerce ties and without stupid politicians that don't respect private property.

For me, Poland is today what South Korea was at the 80's.

I surely will invest there in the end of 2016 after save money enough to that.

It is, and it will be.

One of the things about Poland is that not only do you get back what you put in, but it provides a reality check. If you come here thinking 'I'm the best! I am a god amongst men! Those Polish savages will bow down before my might', Poland will most certainly bite you in the arse and bite you hard. You have to look a little further than the obvious, do some thinking and some research. The OP is a good example of that: he thinks that teaching English is beneath him, so he refused to do it. What he hasn't considered is that just working from 7.30 to 9.00 every morning will not only pull in 2,000zl per month (which is the amount he sends his wife out to earn working an eight-hour day) but it also means he is out meeting useful people and has the entire day from 9 o'clock onwards to do whatever else he wants to do. Also, what he isn't doing is staying in the pub late drinking every night: there's nothing like needing to be up at quarter past six to get you home by no later than ten and home sober too.


If the OP wants to, he can earn 4,000zl per month and be free to do whatever else he wants from 9 to 5. Or he can sit at home and complain. It's up to him. What he needs to really do is more research.

I have 30 years IT experience, but I have zero faith in my ability to get an IT job in Poland. On top of all the skills required, a deep understanding of the culture, business process and language is needed. Thats hard enough to achieve in your home country.

I wouldnt employ the OP in the UK because of his poor command of English and bad development attitude. So its not surprising he couldnt get a job in one of Polands unemployment blackspots.

Harry
I agree with the OP about not wanting the stain of a menial job, such as teaching English, on his CV. Employers think, 'whats wrong with this guy if he cant get a relevant job?' Spending time unemployed, studying to improve your skillset is better.

Is that what you thought about your teachers at school?

There is plenty IT jobs in £ódź. It's really surprising that he couldn't get any. I know that IT isn't just a programming, but for programmers there is currently 560 £ódź jobs adds less than 1 month old on this website:

pl.jobrapido.com/?w=programista&l=%C5%82%C3%B3d%C5%BA&r=auto&p=56

I came to Poland 3 years ago and am doing just fine, running a business which mainly subcontracts IT services to the Middle East and Asia pacific. I work from home and get the equivalent of a good UAE salary whilst living in Poland. Can't you look for a job with a UK/American or Australian company which offers flexibility as to where you work from? We have consultants all over the place and we really don't care where they work from as long as the job is done. C++ and C# coding can be done from anywhere!

My advice would be if you're depressed get help, Go and see a Psychiatrist and get prescribed something, Theres really no shame in it all. (Been there done that) It seems at the moment your mental state is getting the better of you. LinkedIn profile, do you have one? If not make one. Depending on the area of IT you specialise in speak to some recruitment agencies based in other countries and see if theres anything they can find you working remotely. Wikia in Poznan are always recruiting and they pay a US salary. A good life here is more than possible although it takes a bit of sorting out.

Keep your chin up it will get better!

On the contrary.

Employers more often than not appreciate the fact that someone was able to adjust to their circumstances and did what they had to do to earn a living, even if they had to cut down a bit.

It's beyond me how anyone can see something negative in the ability to adjust and be flexible.

In IT it would be hard to explain why somebody has worked as English teacher instead in the profession locally or online. Not with the current job market. All my colleges from university who don't work in IT are either very bad at it or don't want to work in front of computer. Now big companies open branches even in 100 000 people cities in order to find affordable workforce.

So it is better to say "I could not get a job" or "did not want to get a job for that money" instead of saying "unfortunately my circumstances (family commitments or whatever) did not allow me to work in IT whilst being in Poland so i decided to work as an English teacher to still be able to provide for me and my family"?

I do not work in the IT industry but to be honest, if any applicant would tell me that they worked, no matter what job, instead of just sitting on their bum, they would have my attention.

If somebody wants to continue career, then it's just choice between worse and bad.


Of course doing nothing is the worse option.

- MONITOR
That's funny, as millions of people here pay ZUS and that's the same thing