Think you're Polish (and live in the USA)?

1.No more dealing with the USCIS - Jury duty is more of a pain
2.You get to vote and can get elected - I don't care
3.you are eligible for certain government jobs and benefits.
( you can get a government job without US citizenship, although citizens will be given first preference.) already adressed
4.As a US citizen you can stay out of the country as long as you like - I have a family here. I should be back once a year.

5.will not be deported if committed certain crimes - I seriously thought about it. The only felony I can possibly get popped for is driving home after too many glasses of wine. And I inquired, without other crimes, you won't get deported for that.

6.more options to make a petition of a relative - I don't want to petition for anyone
7.you can get a US passport (which let you visit a lot of countries without visa) - I'd rather travel on Polish passport
8. if you live out of US, you can enter wherever you want - so can permanent resident
9.if you paid the SS and have the credits required to get it, you can get the money in any country - I'm pretty sure you can get it as long as you paid into it.


I have no problems getting the green card replacements. If you know somebody that had their citizen application lost, then we can talk.


that's very nice, but that is not my core value. I hope you don't imply that your core values are better than mine. I have no intention of getting involved in American politics. And I consider current US military as a not much more than a glorified welfare program. On dangerous sterroids.

so basically your saying, if poland went to war tomorrow for whatever reasons, you
are not committed to them in any shape or form of documentation and wouldnt defend
the country because you are free of citizenship, but you want to be able to continue to
stay and live like a squatter with no responsibilities.

yet you call out people who actually do the right thing by getting citizenships and
defend the country they live in?


well at least something amazes you


so you are not committed to poland, cause you have citizenships for other countries
and your a traitor for leaving and settling in poland which your not a citizen of to begin
with.

for a scot, oops a dull scot who has no citizenship or is committed you sure dont know
what country your arse is in cause you have none.

Patricja, you've bought into an idea that you have to be committed to fight for the country you were born it against any other country you were not born in, regardless of the reason. That kind of thinking should have gone out around the time of Nuremberg trials.

"There are two kinds of elections in the US. General and Primary. a general election is used to fill an elective office, like mayor or senator. A primary election is one used by political parties to determine a candidate for a specific office, like president. There are different types of primary elections: closed--which means only members of the party can vote in the party primary: open--any voter can vote in any party primary: blanket--a form of open primary in which the voter marks a ballot that lists the candidates for nomination of all the parties, and you help select Democratic candidate for one office and Republican candidate for another office. There are several presidential primaries. A delegate selection only primary in which the voter selects delegates to the national convention. A delegate selection primary in which delegates indicate their choice for candidate but are not bound by their first choice. Binding presidential preference in which the delegate in bound to vote for the candidate they have indicated they support.

Read more: wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_different_types_of_elections#ixzz1B4mlsRf3

Maybe you are the one who's bought into the idea of your citizenship being all about your rights but no obligations whatsoever? Sort of like friends with benefits?

The only thing that matters to you seems to be "what's in it for me!?". "As long as I get my bennies but don't have to feel obligated to do anything in return I'm all game!" "Oh, and I checked already and I should be ok to keep driving after "a few glasses of wine"... "

I didn't imply anything about my values being more important than yours. I simply explained why I personally didn't think you should pursue the citizenship, I explained it and then I butted out of the discussion. Then of course you accused me of living on welfare (I am in the military and you explained very clearly your views on the US military) and of being a war criminal (I got your Nuremberg reference).

Yeah, great discussion indeed...

Im making an example, I know that fighting for something you have to believe in that
reason in order to make that committment, but what harry is saying and what he is doing
is completely off what he is even arguing about.

hes making all these huge complaints about polish americans, but yet he wont commit
to this polish patriotism hes all of the sudden been born with.. lol lmao.

he says oh, you shouldnt leave poland in their time of need, but hey by the way,, my name
is harry and I dont even want to be a citizen of the very country I am so adamantly defending cause I have a pointless cause.. lol

Alot of Americans , Polish, black, hispanic, jew, etc etc didnt go to war during veitnam
so its not like people just say hey, our govt is right so we have to ,, no, theres alot
of resistence within this country as well.. but the difference is, they didnt hide who they
were or what country they came from and didnt deny citizenship, they still aknowledge
what country they originated, no matter how far back. and no one makes a big stink
about it,, thats the beauty of being American, cause no one here will deny you that.

Harry is Jealous, he talks about it enough to come to that conclusion.

@f stop

You asked "again, so what are the advantages?" so I answered, I don't care about your personal preferences.


True. The future will show who's right and who's wrong. At present, it's nothing else but all kinds of different opinions based on personal preferences.

Good citizenship matters. Jury duty puts the responsibility of deciding legal issues within the general population instead of leaving it to a judicial elite.


Yes his core values are better than yours. Once again voting and jury duty are our responsibilities as citizens of this country or any country for that matter.


Than you're Polish and not American and you should move to Poland and contribute to Polish Society. There's more to life than "show me the money".

yes, ours not hers (thank God).


absolutely

There's more to America than "show me the money"

---- But the days of America's superpower status seem to be numbered. Maybe it'll be better for the world if America loses the status? Some good staff seems to be coming from America, but also huge masses of evil things.

Ever thought about going to and staying for good in Poland, Penn Boy?

another conspiracy theory follower, lol

Now you see yourself PennBoy what I was talking about.

No I actually wouldn't know my place in Poland since i've been here since i was almost in diapers

you may lol all you want but this is no conspiracy theory. It is mainstream media. America is in decline. China, which just a few decades ago could hardly feed her citizens, is now the leading creditor to the US.

Only the blind can't see that the US is bleeding badly, and I'm not saying this with glee. After all, living in Canada, I appreciated the US being the largest buyer of Canadian goods and services.

economicshelp.org/essays/problems-chinese-economic-growth.html

so much about the highly praised on PF China


we'll talk about it in couple of years.


only blind can't see that Europe is bleeding badly

theglobalist.com/storyid.aspx?StoryId=8490

The truth is that almost the whole world is hurting at the moment.

Why does China do that? China has so many poor people why doesn't the government take care of them before financing American debt. It's sad when you see the standard of living and the baby taxes while the government spends excess money financing us.

You should consider what is really going on here at the moment. A country like China who treats its citizens like crap is spending tax dollars buying up American debt instead of taking care of all the ailing poor chinese or letting them have a couple more kids per family without having to pay that huge tax for the birth certificates.

The Chinese economy is heavily driven by exports of a range of goods... this is one of the reasons it has such high foreign currency reserves. This has also impacted a bit on its GDP growth which was about 12% in 2007 and the world bank is forecasting 6.5% growth this year.

and now:

Top Countries China Exports To:

* United States = $162.9 (+30%)
* Hong Kong = $124.5 (+23%)
* Japan = $84 (+14%)
* South Korea = $35.1 (+26%)
* Germany = $32.5 (+37%)
* Netherlands = $25.9 (+40%)
* United Kingdom = $19 (+27%)
* Singapore = $16.6 (+31%)
* Taiwan = $16.6 (+22%)
* Russia = $13.2 (+45%)

China's economy is very vulnerable, whether you like it or not.

Comparing China:America looks something like this....

youtube.com/watch?v=v5LxagKJ1PA

Well, you just mentioned mainstream media, hardly a neutral point of view. It's no secret that the "mainstream media" is very biased, usually leftist and often anti-American. Not in the sense of hating America but in the sense of blaming every evil on earth on America, George Soros mentality you know.

Having said that, I do not disagree with your premise. I think America's influence will decrease, partly due to China's rise and partly by default. American citizens are getting tired of being vilified by other nation's governments, allies and enemies alike. It's easy to gang up on the big, fat guy in the room. ...and by no means am I implying that America is faultless.

Personally I cannot wait for the day when some of our fiercest critics start dealing with the Chinese on a daily basis. There will come a day when some will miss the perceived "American arrogance", when they are faced with the daunting task of negotiating contracts and deals with the behemoth, communist giant. ...I'm talking politics by the way, not business, Chinese are good in business. However, when politics get involved then everything is on the table. Blackmail will be the standard approach, you'll see. I love China and am there every month yet I don't fear it. China will create many, many friendships for us around the world, mark my words.

There's plenty of fish in the water, both countries can be successful.

You would think a communist/socialist republic would do more to take care of its citizens.

They have no choice. Those poor people would be even poorer if we didn't buy their goods. Some 80% of items at Walmart are made in China! That money the Chinese are making gets "parked" in our treasuries. We need them to buy cheap stuff they need us to feed their poor and prevent an uprising. Sooner or later they will have to allow more freedom and democracy in China. ...and that will be a great equalizer for national relations.

FYI - when the Nobel Peace Price was being awarded Polish Forums (amongst a myriad of other websites) was blacked out. The message I got in Beijing and later in Shanghai was that the website I was searching for was unavailable! So kudos to PF, you all made it to the Chinese censors' boo-boo list! LOL

The communism or socialism, whatever you want to name it, didn't work in the SU and the eastern block and it will fail in China one day too. Mainly because of the way they treat they own people.


One reason why my family doesn't shop at Walmart.

I assume you're being facetious, right? If not you must have forgotten the history of People's Republic of Poland and a few other countries I can think of. Communism and Nazism is the same cancerous tumor but looked at from different angles. The communists focused on your class while the Nazis focused on your race. Same thugish ideology despite pretty words and lofty ideas.


I do because there's nothing wrong with trading with China. The whole premise of the Coal Union which eventually evolved into the EU was to force the Germans and the French to become codependent of eachother, to prevent a possibility of an actual war. See any similarities?

What we need is to demand better conditions for the Chinese workers, to make the trade more fair to all of us.

First, where did I praise China?
Second, read that list again. So much of it applies to the US.


No need to wait. It's been happening right before our eyes.
But, if you insist... mainstream economists predict more hard times ahead. There are even mentions of bank bailouts version 2.0.


Sure it is. But the topic is the US and the state the US is in is not pretty.

I don't like the way the trade operates between the US and China, they should be forced to spend the same amount of money purchasing products from us as we are spending on Chinese products. Bad politics here.


I didn't say you in particular, did I?
As I said, we all have problems nowadays.


Well, I see people finding employment where I live right now, one of the positive signs.
Hey, you believe what you want and I'll stay with my opinion, the time will show who's right. I never said that it will be a fast process.


Is it? Look above "Think you're Polish (and live in the USA)?" It has actually nothing to do with our economic or other problems.

You guys just love to thrive on our problems because it lets you forget about your own, if only for a minute.

this thread is hysterical. how many more "Poland vs. USA" threads can we possibly have.

so many brainwashed, judgmental fools.. spewing slogans, not able to think for themselves.. believing that casting a vote will make you a good citizen. Same as going to confession will make you a good catholic.

I've got a car that needs cleaned.

I got a toilet for you and a "job" for your mom.

I am not talking about us buying their goods. I meant them buying our treasury bonds. Instead of doing that, spend the money on the people of China.