Think you're Polish (and live in the USA)?

Are you Polish? Why do you care Harry?

I see your knowledge of my personal history is as accurate as your knowledge of Aktion Reinhard. Talking of which I'm still waiting for you to name the AR death camp at which you claim only 7,500 Jews were killed. But I've grown used to waiting after challenging holocaust deniers like you to provide facts.

Is there any point in responding to the rest of your drivel? Sadly not: all you do is repeat the same tired old lies and ad homs. As I've pointed out before, you're quite welcome to learn that I'm not Jewish by licking the underside of my foreskin clear; just please give me a couple of weeks' notice so that I have a chance to build up a really good deposit of smegma for you to enjoy.

So you're admitting to being a wannabe Pole, and a wigger.


Let's call him siódma sala "the seventh hall" of the mental clinic.

OMG, I must be Polish, I never knew, wait until my parents find out!


Do you still have Australian citizenship?

Let me step on the limb here Harry but I think everyone would agree that someone like you who considers himself as a globetrotter not admitting to any nationality himself because in your view it's a thing of the past, a real globalist at heart is out of line starting this sort of thread but than again it just could be me.

I really fail to see what race has to do with feeling Polish or not? I mean, I'd still feel Dutch if I lived elsewhere, simply because I've been born and raised here, and I've been living this way for a long time, which you can't ever hope to beat out of me! Doesn't mean I couldn't be happy elsewhere, with full citizenship. (But I would still feel like a Dutch guy living abroad!)


Yes I've noticed that very often, especially here on PF. I'd say it all depends of what you're proud of? I mean, I'm proud of a few things I've achieved, although those achievements might seem insignificant and trivial compared to what some of the greatest minds in history have achieved, but I can genuinely be proud of someone else who has discovered or achieved something really great, especially when it benefits every living creature on this planet. (And nationality really doesn't play a role there!)


I agree. It's not Harry's or anyone else's place to tell someone else who they are or what/how they should feel.

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I reckon Harry is a Brit, has that ever been established or was he born on a plane trip?


The issue here is im British i will live in England again, most citizens born in a specific country will return at some point in this day and age. Fact is many Poles who travel for work have no intention of ever living in Poland again - hell i dont blame them. If Poland doesnt look after its own why should they show patriotism in the form most take for granted.

I took a drive around Walbryzch today, what a complete crap hole with poverty everywhere.

So continues the argument. Many citizens have a country to be proud of.

Sometimes you just have to change your citizenship without moving :).
My father made it twice - living still in one place :Gdańsk.
He was born as a citizen of Free State of Danzig,than became citizen of Germany (1939) and finally citizen of Poland (1945).

If I wanted to be Polish, I'd have accepted the offer of a Polish passport. And no I do not listen to rap music. What I am however admitting is that you are Polish in the same way that wiggers are black: they feel black and pretend to be black but are not, they are white; you may feel Polish and you certainly pretend to be Polish but you are not, you are American and have turned your back on Poland.


Probably. I haven't done anything which would permit them to take it away. Frankly I haven't checked for a good 20 years.


I see you know as much about me as you know about my family history and Aktion Reinhard, but let me show everybody here that you're lying yet again: with the exception of trips to visit my mother at her home, I haven't left Poland this millennium (I take all of my holidays in Poland).


I certainly wouldn't describe myself as British. I do have one British-born grandparent but my parents were not born in Britain.


Speak for yourself: I'm certainly in Poland for the long term.

Harry, if you proud to be Polish, just say so:)

There is no nationality that I'd be proud to be, or ashamed of being.

fair enough, the same here - I am what/who I am. Is that the point you are trying to make?

I am guessing not.

Precisely correct. Instead I'm showing why I laugh at people who claim to be Polish and are proud because they (think) that they are Polish but were only Polish because of an accident of birth while they have chosen themselves to become a nationality other than Polish!

Every year, about a 100.000 Dutch people are leaving Holland, and I don't think that most of those people will ever return. It has little to do with pride, but everything to do with space and opportunity.


Hey, me neither, because I know I would've done the same!


I think all of our countries are changing due to the whole process of globalization, so I really wouldn't be surprised if people abandoned the whole idea of nationalism and patriotism in the not-so-distant future.


Believe it or not, but the UK and Holland also have their poverty-ridden areas. 3 million children in the UK are growing up in poverty - half of them in severe poverty - these days, and out of 11 million children this means about 27%.


Well, I'll be proud when people have banished poverty from our countries entirely, simply because they can. Those food banks in Holland? I'm not proud of those! I mean, we're one of the richest countries in the world, where quite a few millionaires actually live in subsidized villas, but we allow poverty? No. Just no.

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It is a tiny country, i can sympathise with them. 100,000 a year from 16,000,000 is not a lot anyway. Poland would be more likely 800,000 a year from 38,000,000.


Thats not the point though, if you have a degree in Holland or the UK you have a very high chance of a decent career. A few years in and you can claim £40K a year with car and all the other trimmings, in Poland its simply not the case.


Again not the point, of course above mentioned countries have poverty stricken areas. Poland has more, lots more. Wałbryzch is a city not an area of a city, it is the worst city ive ever visited in Poland.


One day you might well be, what if the weather turns and harvest are terrible, what if Holland floods etc etc.. If you gave that food away it may cost lives in the future. Lets say you have £500K in the bank but you only need £15K a year, would that mean you could give away a large chunk of that capital - of course not.

Of course, and I'm not denying Poland is still a poor country in comparison to some of the other European countries, but surely a few things are starting to improve now?


True, but money isn't *always* everything..


I think my chances of picking up a concrete rose have just improved?


In this case I don't think so. We have a lot of greenhouses, so weather doesn't really affect our harvests *that* much. (Most of the fields outside are littered with Tulips and other funny sorts of weeds.) Oh, and *if* Holland floods we're totally screwed, believe you me, and I don't think anyone would need a Food Bank on the bottom of the North Sea?


These are left-overs from all the supermarkets, which are given away to people who can't pay their groceries, and we call these distribution points Food Banks, but I think the UK has them too? (Or maybe we copied the whole idea from you guys??) I don't think food will ever be the problem in Europe though.


True, but *if* I had £10.000.000K I would definitely want to play Santa every now and then! (And hopefully impress a good-looking single mom or two!)

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It isnt everything but it is a 100% necessity. Ive known Polish people with bare fridges and larders cos they couldnt afford decent food.


Youre going to feed 16 Million from greenhouses? get outta here.


Come on think about that a bit more.


Neither does anybody else obviously, if the weather turned drastically, life is sustained via a very fine line. Its so fragile when you think about it.

I've been trying to think of the advantages of obtaining US citizenship, if one has a US residency card already, and Polish passport.
Can anyone list a few?
And if we can keep it from getting contentious, that would be just great.

I know, my fridge has had an echo a few times. (Hopefully never again!)


I should probably show you how *big* those greenhouses are.

This would be a small one. I'm actually 100% serious, you should see our greenhouse areas some time. Of course we still grow a fair portion of vegetables outside, but far less than we used to! Most of the food we harvest here is for export purposes, so..


I'm trying, but I still don't think Food Banks are necessary in such a wealthy country?


Well, we're pretty particular about our water. I don't mean to sound arrogant, because you never know what might happen, but I know we're well-prepared for pretty bad scenarios where it concerns environmental problems. Life *is* fragile though, and there's no denying that. (But technology does offer some good solutions.)

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Its totally inconceivable to think greenhouse grown food could sustain a population of 16,000,000, what proportion of Holland do greenhouses occupy in relation to traditional outdoor farming, if its more than 1% id be surprised. In any case green house's are somewhat dependent on the weather.


When you cant afford food its emergency action time. Some people ive known in Poland cant get the money for food, they just cant.

64% in some areas, but 1% to 16% in most areas. 21% in total. (Average.) It depends on if they're open greenhouses or closed ones.


I know. I've known a few of such people myself. I've also paid someone's bills for three months, to prevent him from freezing to death in his own home. (Back when I actually had a pretty good job.) It only happened to me a few times when I found myself inbetween jobs, having to pay everything at once. (Bad timing.) I've never been broke for longer than two days though.

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Same as alot of Brits here WB. Some Brits despise Britain and as HArry said above, he doesnt even consider himself to be a Brit. You even said urself that you would not return.

A question for Harry. Would you stand up fro the UK if they were under attack? Would you take up arms for them? If not, then you dont deserve the passport you carry.

What nationality do you cosider yourslf Harry?

I agree with HArry and Delphi though about the point that plastic poles have no right to comment about Polish affairs or criticise defend Poland so vehemently when they live in luxury in the USA

I never said that, actually im probably going back in a couple of months. England's my home always will be.


because hes not British i think, he likes to keep his true nationality a secret for some reason.


I wouldnt say that, fact remains you can make money in the UK in Poland its not so obtainable.

He once stated he was from Australia a few years ago.

And a whole lot of Germans too ... you should hear them complain (and rightly so) about our tomatoes and cucumbers, which pretty much taste the same :(

Some very practical reasons to get the citizehsip:

• you can't get tenure in public schools without being a US citizen
• you can't go and live abroad for a year or so without jeopardizing your status
• you can receive social security benefits abroad without problems

The most important one - you cannot vote without it! I cannot fathom living in a country, any country, where I cannot vote.

People who have ancestors who came from Poland are Polish. End of story.

Where's your heart in Poland or the USA? Only you can answer that. It's not about advantage.

Think you're British and live in Poland?
Think you're German and live in Russia?

etc..........

It doesn't really matter, you can't force anyone to feel anything.