REFUSED A HOLIDAY VISA TO THE U.S CAUSE IM POLISH

If given the choice, I'd rather have Polish people than Latinos.

Given a choice I'd take Poles too. At least Polish kids don't start gangs if they don't get into college. Be nice to have a lot more Polish restaurants too.

I don't think there is a preference for Mexicans though. They just flood in all over.. dig tunnels , etc.

Is there actually one nationality besides Israelis that you don't hate?

polishfan74
I don't know what you are talking about. I moved to Canada from the US and where I live, what you describe is not true. We also have a large and active Polish community along with other Eastern Europeans. Canada is a great place to live with far less discrimination than we experienced in the States.

From what I have been reading - they do not keep such records for anyone who overstays their visa. There was a news article recently about trying to keep better track of who comes and goes. The claim was that over 90% of foreign nationals visiting this country are never recorded as leaving, because almost no one "turns in the stub" upon departure. I do not know what this "stub" is about, but it sounds like a simple paper trail that is not enforced.

Unless you are discovered to be an "overstay," then they have no idea if you left or not!

Personally, I hope it stays that way - or they drop the whole visa thing completely. The laws are archaic, discriminatory, and often seem quite arbitrary in their application. I hope it is easier for me to visit Poland than it is for Poles to come here. This is truly a sad state of affairs!

US-VISIT, the $1.3b database of 200million names... is what's used, not the stub system. US-VISIT compares who entered with who left at all port of entries. Apparently, the system is about as effective as the stub system, you have to write the DHS in order to get the statistics on overstays, they're not posted online.

Oh, lovely - thank you for the information. If this system is "about as effective as the stub system," then I understand it is not very effective, just expensive?

You got the point I was trying to make.

First, as a court interpreter you should know better that you cannot claim to know what other people think. You can only know for sure what they say in court, and I hope your interpreting doesn't include what you think they think. That would be illegal.

Second, since you are an interpreter for a court of law and for a specific language it is not surprising that nearly all Poles you deal with professionally have some issues with the law. If you were a translator for the French then you'd generalize the French are criminals. Would you also know what they think?

On the other hand, if you were an Polish interpreter for a Church or a charitable organization would you generalize about that too?

Your view is skewed by your job.

LOL. I know Americans like this in Poland. Been here for ages and still don't know how to order a beer in a pub.

However, to add fuel to this fire, there was just a piece in the paper here in Warsaw about Poles and their attitude towards work, a few foreign managers working in PL commented how Poles love to make up rules but hate to follow them.

in all honesty, how many americans do you know that have lived in poland for 20 years.

You can thank your fellow-countrymen who overstayed their holiday visas in the 1990's en masse. It's not discrimination, it's just based on facts and numbers of ppl who overstayed their granted stay for years over there. In the beginning Poles got holiday visas and for some reason they stopped at one point issuing them to Poles. Guess why.

Edit: it doesn't matter if you're causing problems or not. Overstaying your visa is overstaying your visa and that is reason for deportation. And indeed, I think it's a disgrace that when you live in a country for 20 years and you still barely can't speak the language of that country.

We all can get angry at the US for "discrimination" of Poles (oh the Poles just love to scream and shout this whenever they don't get their way), but one should be angry at the ones who spoilt it for the genuine holiday makers: the Poles who overstayed their visas...

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M-G (Latin Americans don't get holiday visas that easy as well)

for all the fist pumping Poles and expat Polish sympathizers out there, consider this:

i routinely here Polish people say, "it's bull$hit that America won't let us go to america without a VISA! they let the czech rep. go, Germany, so many other countries......we have troops in the middle east fighting their stupid war! we deserve VISA rights!"

and i'd say 15% of the time, I hear,"they can't open up the borders for Poland, way too many Poles would leave. there already are millions of Poles living in America, many of them illegal."

with more and more 20 somethings speaking English in Poland, along with the job market getting more and more competitive, a move to America for many Poles just graduating college is not an irrational thought. look at what happened when Poland joined the EU.....how many educated doctors left, skilled laborers, fluent English speakers left for England, Ireland, Scotland, etc.

have any of you ever considered that the Polish government doesn't WANT the borders to open in America for Polish citizens? Poland has about 40 million people with a very high concentration of old retired communist era people sitting at home watching Polsat and collecting government checks. if so much as 1 million Poles between the ages of 18 and 35 left for America.....about 2% of the country.....it would be devastating to Poland's economy and the well being of it's citizens. The recent boom in Polish economy is due to a lot of foreign investment fueled by cheap labor and educated citizens. If the cheap educated labor takes a dive, so does Poland. Also, don't forget: industrialized countries can hire from outside the country to fill spots if need be, but who comes to Poland from the West to work for a Polish company after finishing college so they can sit in a 35sq. meter apt. and make 2000zl a month, or 700 USD. For those that do come from other countries, it's on a short term contractual basis, anywhere between 1 and 3 years, and they're getting paid the same salary they were making when they left their home country, not to mention hooked up with an apt. or house, company car, etc.. Google, Toyota, 3M, Hewlitt Packard......I have taught students from all these companies, I know what is going on.

I teach all age groups in Poland and it's interesting how different age groups tend to think quite similarly about their country. For the most part, beyond around 30 years old, they mostly say they will not leave Poland, or at least THINK they won't. BUT, the younger generations, most certainly the 15-25 year old age group....many of them routinely talk about how the only thing that holds them back from leaving Poland is family, and if they had an opportunity to work in Germany, France, England....and often times the USA, they'd do it.

You made a lot of good points there Fuzzy , my contacts with young people leave me feeling that most of them want to leave Poland if they have the chance , and if all those that wanted to leave had the money and opportunity to do so , then Poland would be be in a lot of trouble some day...

The ones that are going to leave are the ones with drive and ambition , the very people that Poland is going to need in the future , and the country will only be occupied by the old , the sick , and the Buraks , oh , and Brits like me who are stubborn enough to stay no matter how tough life is...

The Polish government is doing its best to encourage Poles to return to Poland , and i am sure they would not welcome the USA making it easier for Poles to leave....

I agree with many points made by fuzzy and wildrover but in my observation it starting to change.I will probably get a master degree in June and I have many chances to live Poland(job in Dania and UK)but I don't intend to move from my country and I see there are more and more young ppl to think like me.They often go for a while but return.The only problem is that sometimes they don't think about future when they leave and then don't have anything to come back to.As for US I've heard only form one friend that he wants to go there(only for visit and he returned in time)-mostly they want to go somewhere in the EU.

crap. touche.


well put, youre making good sense here! the wages in Poland have had to be low so that the old commies could collect their fat checks..

And that is exactly true. The Polish goverment works with the American goverment and they know what's going on, they know many Poles don't come back and that's why there are visa restrictions.

But many Poles don't know the truth and blame the US for visas. Poland doesn't want to lose all their educated people who will then stay illegally in the US.

I doubt that, as Poles could easily settle and work in EU member states. An American government restricting Polish immigration is no obstacle in this respect.

Don’t be ridicules, why would anyone who is educated would want to live illegally in US when they can legally work anywhere within EU. Being illegal puts you at disadvantage, you’re not able to get a job in your own field for one, probably get some menial job that pays crap, no benefits, no rights whatsoever, no prospect for any kind of a carrier and open yourself to all kind of abuse by those that hire illegal’s; like not being paid for months on end etc, not to mention that you will not be able to travel back to Poland in case of emergency. Like it or not that’s the reality for those that work on a black market. For those people, America is not the land of milk and honey and it’s not very appealing to anyone be it educated ones or not. At any moment people can be deported and at a single moment in time lose everything they worked for including your family if you started one. Face it America is not all that. You are just propagating the myth and what is fed to you by your mass media and that’s all it is One Big Fat Myth. Think for yourself once in a while, why would anyone including a complete moron say; “Hey sounds like a deal to me”. Ridicules!

That's utter nonsense. They will not "lose all their educated people" and, if it were possible, it would say negative things about education in Poland. It is impossible for a country to "lose all their educated people" to another country. People with educations move to places they can use what they have worked hard to earn, whether it be the country they were born in or elsewhere. Many educated can find work in Poland and stay but not everyone can. Should educated people who have worked hard be penalized? Or, should they be free to go to wherever it is they can use their degrees?

No they just try to bomb the place.
How many Poles involved with Terrorism. How many Brits ?

I think that you'll find those people refer to themselves as "Irish".

Is he not meaning the British people of Asian descent who are off into terrorist cells in various central asian and north african countries?

Well... no white Brits anyway.

Please rent the movie Katyn.

you're right. if you're living in America illegally, have no benefits or rights, it's "not all that".................?

**** I want only statistics and I'll shut up!
Are you saying that Latvians and Lithuanians and others are less likely to overstay they visa then Poles ?
All I'm doing is asking about stats - if you don't have them its means you are talking out of your ass!

krysia
And that is exactly true. The Polish goverment works with the American goverment and they know what's going on, they know many Poles don't come back and that's why there are visa restrictions.

Have you been thinking long to come up with such a crap?

A Brit with a British passport does not need a visa. On the passport it does not state what colour he is or what descent( Asian or European or African or whatever.)

The fact remains most of or nearly all the terriorists caught trying to commit bombings in the USA have British connections.

Yeah , this is what makes it so difficult to keep them away from their targets...

Maybe it's not what you want to hear?

feetin2worlds.wordpress.com/2009/05/28/goal-of-visiting-the-u-s-without-a-visa-still-eludes-poles/


Why do so much more Poles overstay their visa in the US? Because they are the largest group.

travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/statistics/statistics_4582.html

Check out the pdf's with the statistics for the last 9 years.

I know it's hard to accept, but as nearly every none-Pole seems to know: Poles are in about any immigration issue the biggest group, let alone a few exceptions.


You're contradicting yourself in one post. You're agreeing with Krysia on exactly the same thing that I said, be it in different words.

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M-G (no, this is not negative, just a observation of facts)