US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński

Celebrities such as Palikot cheapen the whole process. Like Polish women who hibernate in winter and come out to play in summer, this circus clown would be well advised to push his head into the sand and shove his dildo where the sun don't shine. Just like Pudzianowski brings shame to MMA through not working hard enough, Palikot does the same.

I guess US Polonia were bombarded by PiS slogans and didn't live here when they were in power.

yeah, and you were particularly prosecuted by PiS -I wounder why !

I don't understand, I-S. What do you mean?

No, what do you mean ? you have written above some meaningless sentence.

what was so terrible living here under PiS Seanus - bombarding with negative comments from media? - would you agree that the media are for some reason hostile to PiS? - so why blame PiS for negative media hypes (inflating things out of proportion) - or was there actually some other thing that affected many people personally including yourself - WHAT THE HELL WAS WRONG with the PiS staying in power???

I meant that they are not wholly familiar with PiS due to being based in pre-crisis America. My point was that they received only slogans and soundbites but didn't live under the regime, good or bad.

Polonia are not bombarded with PiS slogans - why? - because there is noone to bombard them with PiS slogans (isn't it obvious) - if anything they perpetuate any PiS slogans themselves -

Seanus you're going to pay for the Tusk indebting this nation, for Tusk pat-me-on-my-back European policies (because Poles will love me if you just pat me on my back) - you may be well unaware of the fact but you will financially feel the 'miracles' of the Tusk rule - and you will regret that you haven't warned people around enough about the 'beneficiencies' of it

I'm not a fan of Tusk either. Maybe they are informed in US Polonia but how many of them really 'lived it' under PiS? PiS value accountability in key areas and I like that about them.

You summed it up perfectly. Americans have no clue about the EU and modern Europe. When Europeans talk about integration and collaboration all Americans understand is losing sovereignty. The concept of the EU is simply to much for a nation (=USofA) where 70% of the inhabitants don't own a passport and never crossed a border.

What modern Europe ?
in rhetorics ?

I think it means Gerries don't have to roll in with tanks anymore, they just call Tusk and everything is quickly sorted out.

They way some people talk it is as if PiS being in power for the brief time they were, was the worst thing that has happened to Poland in years. Is PO seriously better? I don't think so.

Gumishu, as for American polonia, I think a lot of them have Polish television as well, I assume, so they probably saw the anti PiS propaganda in the media, but didn't go for it. For some reason people in Poland went for it. I think that living in the USA, even if it is financially better, is not that fun, at least on a morale ground. There is too much liberalism. I see it too in GB. People in Poland, the younger ones, might still have this sort of idealic view of the west, like people had in communist times, and want Poland to go that way. I personally, when I look around where I live, am proud that Poland has stayed true to many of it's values. I don't want it to be some liberal mixed race melting pot like here. Do you know how many people are unhappy here? They talk a good talk but in reality they are devasted at what is going on in the country. Same in the USA probably, and even in France.

Financially I doubt PO and PiS are too different. They might have slightly difference ideas of how to sort [or not sort] problems out, but it is in the morale and social areas of life, as well as fighting for your rights, rather than being a head bobbler who just agrees to do what they are told, where they differ.

Quite a bad opinion of their (ex) countrymen, if they think PO won because of media influence.

And yet again Polonia prove that:
a) there is an 80% chance that somebody who is Polonia is also a moron;
b) when it comes to Poland, there should be no representation without taxation. People who choose not to do anything to help Poland should not be allowed to have any say in how Poland is run.

Agreed, I don't care if 80% of Polish-Americans voted for PIS or 80% of Polish Londoners voted for PO. It should be a threshold. Let say - five years no tax paid in Poland - no vote.

It is beyond me that someone who haven't even been in Poland has a right to decide where my money should go... Some of expats on this forum should have more rights to vote in Polish elections than so called "Polonia".

have anyone of you ever cared to see how many people are eligible to vote in America - 50 000?

So? it is not about numbers but about principles.

More like half a million!

In 2007 a total of 27,000 Polish-Americans voted in the Polish national election. Thats only 1 out of every 400 Polish-Americans. The stupid expatriate jackasses on this thread would do well to watch what they say about American-Polonia based on the votes of a fraction of one percent of American-Polonians.

Agree absolutely. I don't think I'm elibible to vote in the UK anymore as I've been away for so long, but even if I were allowed to vote, I wouldn't. I simply feel I have no moral right to do so. As for going of forums pontificating about how the country is run, well, that would be too absurd for words.

Do you think that you could perhaps manage to contribute to this thread without insulting other posters. Thank you in advance.


That would depend on how elastic one's definition of Polish-American is. According to the Polish-American Association close to 500,000 people in the USA are entitled to vote in Polish elections. I wonder how many, if any, of them pay any taxes in Poland or do anything else which benefits Poland in any way.

PWEI you ask me to be civil after you have written this idiotic screed I've quoted above. You are a hypocrite that believes your little clique of extpatriates should be above criticism.

The slogan my proud country rebelled for was "No taxation without representation". That you would invert this noble demand into a slogan stating that one must pay money to be able to participate in one's own national elections proves that Napoleon was not too far off of the mark when he called the British a nation of shopkeepers. Its all about coins for little people like you. You are too petty to have anything worthwhile to say about Polish affairs.

I note that you have not a word to say about why people who neither live in Poland nor in any way contribute to Poland should have any say in the running of Poland. Instead you focus your post on a frankly pathetic attempt to provoke me into reacting so that you can run crying to the mods yet again. Sorry but that isn't going to work. I'm not going to insult you, not even if you call my grandmother Ukrainian.

But do feel free to post yet more insults instead of trying to defend the shameless actions of the idiots from Polonia. We all know that they have no moral right to effect live in a country which they have chosen to abandon and continue to shun: this is not their country, they have betrayed this country. But for some reason you leap to their defense. Strange. Could it be that you are trying just a little too hard to be Polonia?

PWEI, you have written an ungrammatical post full of baseless accusations about conspiracies against your little self and stupid claims that Poles who've emgrated have betrayed Poland. People that are citizens of Poland should be allowed to vote in Polish elections regardless of where they live. If the British lose the right to vote in their own elections for living abroad then that is bad for the British and the Poles should not emulate them. Poland and the USA are fellow republics that let our citizens vote regardless of where they live and Britain would do well to imitate us. Voting in elections is contributing. Governments exist due to the will of the people and the people shouldn't have to pass any tests devised by smarmy British expatriates as to their level of "contribution" before they are allowed participate in the selection of representatives. PWEI, you and your clique, may believe that you are "civilizing" Poland by teaching some English when it is actually Poland's republican example that should civilize you.

Germans, Ukrainians, Jews - they all paid taxes in prewar Poland and were able to vote. They were also the first to betray Poland in September 1939 and have blood of their Polish neighbours on their hands.

I have no illusions that creatures like PWEI or sobieski would try to "avenge Jews and Czechs" at the earliest opportunity. I'm glad they can't vote.

I am glad that I am no longer eligible to vote in UK elections because I contribute nothing to that nation. It seems fair to me that the people who live there can decide which politicians they want to represent them without interference from outsiders like me who have no intention of going back and participating in the life of the country.

Are you actually able to discuss things without insulting people? It looks very much that you are not.


If they have turned their backs on Poland, rejected Poland, renounced all allegiance to Poland and do not do a single thing for Poland, they should not have that right. Rights are accompanied by responsibilities: these people have refused to accept their responsibilities and so should be stripped of their rights.


No, it is exercising a privilege. People who refuse to help Poland should not be granted such privileges.


We cannot talk about their level of contribution: these people contribute nothing to Poland. But they still think that they should still have the right to tell Poles how Poland should be run. Pathetic.

People who think that there is such a thing as "pierogies" shouldn't be allowed to decide how Poland is run, simples.

Polonia IS Poland, because Polish people are Poland, wherever they currently live.
A British immigrant, who came to Poland for a paycheck or for other selfish reasons, is not a Pole, and paying taxes won't change that. They should better stick to discussing "Jews and Czechs", yeah, that's what they contribute.

There is a more simple rule: anybody who calls their grandmother "Busia" should have no say in how Poland is run.