US Polonia 70% for Kaczyński

And you think because you and your friends are logging hours at some college that you are educated? Most of you are studying psychology or other meaningless subjects anyway. How is Latin this year?

Landora:


Why not?


So, they don't have Dutch/French citizenship nor Polish. Only to you your statements make sense. Another 'educated' POlshevik.

Agree with the observation that most of the polish immigrants into Australia from the post WW2 era are rightwing conservative/patriotic, closeminded and opinionated and unsophisticated etc. Didn't know they could vote in polish elections!! If the article is based on facts, then he's appeal must be his overt catholicism/patriotism. He's a tinpot dictator in a suit.

SzwedWPolsce - there's really no sense in replaying to 1ola's posts, just ignore them. There's no sense in argueing with such vexatious sick of hatred people.


Of course you will find educated people in Kaczyński's electorate, but it's a fact that most of his voters come from lower social classess. His popularity in the rural areas is just a part of that.

But he still the most educated of all the candidates, and you come from uneducated peasants yourself, don't forget that.

Honey, what are you talking about? Can't you even read?

In very, very simple words: they have Dutch or French citizenship, as they are not the first generation living abroad and they didn't apply for the Polish one. Can I be more clear than that? Bigger letters maybe?

My family was fighting against communism. I've never voted any left wing party. I'm living in this country, working for it and paying taxes. How dare you offend me like that? Do you want to see my diplomas? Do you want to show me your own - if you have any? Have you ever heard such a difficult word like "democracy"? You know, it means that people are actually allowed to have different views on things, as opposed to dictatorship. You know, it's scary to think there are more people like you out there in my beautiful country.

I find it rather ironic that the only person posting throughout the day on here happens to be a strong PiS supporter - yet another one of the unemployed PiS keyboard warriors?

well, make sure that she know your political allegation in case she would like to include you in her last will.


What is really interesting is what vexing incentive you have in Komorowski election as you are Scot.

Because I pay taxes here and run a small business, unlike the American "TRUE POLISH" Polonia who are so patriotic that they don't pay a thing to Poland. Bit like the PiS voters who claim disability benefits from the Polish State and who then work "black" too. Obviously, the election of Komorowski would threaten them.

But I actually think that once Kaczynski goes, we might see PiS finally transform into a proper modern Catholic-socialist party. And there's nothing wrong with that - Catholic social teaching and socialist economy views mixed together could be quite popular in Poland, and certainly credible if they toned down the hysteria.

One thing is certain - I have a vote in the local elections this year, and the party that gets my vote will be the one that makes the most sense to me at the time. I'm very much politically neutral here - there's no natural centre-left party along the lines of the Nordic model, so I will vote very, very carefully. Most unlike the Polonia, that's for certain!

Why did they ever call that pis?

Prawo iSprawiedliwość

L&O
:)


I don't agree with your view of PiS as a socialist party, although some liberal extremist seems to share your opinion.
However I consent to your observation with minor modification, that politics in Poland is hysterical and lack serious debate.

Well - they share the same view as many social democratic parties in Europe. I mean, all the pro family, pro welfare policies - these are all fundamentally socialist. It's no bad thing!

There is more to PiS than pro family and welfare policies, its seems to me that you don't perceive it.

Sure, they have many Catholic policies too. Really, Catholicism lends itself well to socialism - and I think the level of support for PiS in Poland (about 30-ish percent, give or take 5%) is about right.

Really, I think the problem with PiS is that they've allowed a cult of personality to grow up around the Kaczynski twins. That's why Kaczynski losing may be no bad thing for them - they may just go into the 2011 elections with fresh new blood. They're in the difficult situation that they're always going to struggle to find people to enter a coalition with now, as Kaczynski is certainly not going to attract any support from the SLD or PO.

It's not a cult of personality, it's one of the ... defining features of the Polish political scene.

In short, a political party is a vehicle for a specific leader and any dissent means the dissenter leaves to either retire from politics or start up his own vehicle. The term used to be 'pocket party' in Polish and it's what both PiS and PO have turned into.

Ironically, they both started as attempts to create traditional kinds of European political parties with different voices and internal debate but both quickly devolved into leadership vehicles for the Kaczynskis and Tusk repsectively as anyone with any kind of serious disagreement with the leaders were muscled or frozen out.

The only real political parties in any traditional sense are SLD and PSL. And although PSL has largely become the vehicle of Pawlak, but it predates and will survive him whereas I doubt if PiS or PO could survive the departure of their current leaders.

SLD of course had the advantage (if you want to call it that) of inheriting a party structure and functioning like a political party by doing little things like keeping internal squabbling mostly out of the public sphere and grooming younger members to play important roles in the party, both of which are neglected by PiS and PO as far as I can tell.

As a Polish American I will respect either candidate that is voted in. Its up to the Poles in Poland who the best candidate is.

Having said this, which candidate would be better on cutting taxes and promoting small business in Poland?

I don't know which candidate would be best for this but who ever he is I hope he wins.

Komorowski. Essentially, Komorowski is pro-business, whereas Kaczynski is pro-welfare.

The Polonia doesn't understand that the position of President is largely ceremonial, despite Lech Kaczynski's attempts to pretend that he actually held some influence or power.

Merged: US Polonia gives PiS 80% backing

informacjeusa.com/2011/10/09/pis-znow-wygralo-wybory-w-usa

Once again the American Polonia has shown it has a better grasp of what is good for Poland. Their Old Country brethren, mesmerised as they are by PO's clever political marketing, image-mongering and glib rhetoric, have once again fallen prey to slippery, tricky Don & Co.

Yea right cowboy, the Poles should take no lessons from the land of Hickdom, I would much rather go with what the sophisticated voters of the UK say every single time(:


three more years!
three more years!
three more years!

precz z Kaczynskim!
precz z Kaczynskim!
precz z Kaczynskim!


That was meant for another thread, but i guess it is equally applicable(:

Nicely illustrates how out of touch with Polish reality the American Polonia is.

Indeed, it's a useful reminder that while Poles rejected PiS and their ideology by 70-30 - the American Polacks haven't got a ******* clue.

I wonder: why the hack people not living in Poland, not coming back to Poland, not paying taxes in Poland- why they do have a voting rights?

yeah agreed... that's weird, American Poles no nothing about Poland. But neither do I now, so I'll just shut up...

The clearest sign of knowing what's good for Poland is that they don't live there.

If they had lived there they too might have fallen for the glib rhetoric of smooth and slippery Don. The benefit of distance gives US Poloninas a better overview of what it's all about. And selling off Poland's last remaining assets to foreign interests, which the Tusk gang is so keen on, is not a good career move for Poland.

the difference is Polonia are not subjected to the media brain washing here - there was no Palikot 2 months ago - then suddenly 1 month ago someone decided to give him a big push and the media and polls all suddenly were very favourable to him - to say those who vote for Palikot are gullible is not to say enough

Glib is not the word I would use to describe Tusk....

And had they lived here they might also get fed up with the rhetoric of Kaczynski, which boils down to:

_ Poland has never harmed any other country

_ Poland is the perpetual victim of its diabolical neighbors

_ Poland cannot be civil in its relations with any of its neighbors to do so would be the same as capitulation

_ There's no difference between the current German government and the third (fourth?!) reich

_ There's no difference between the current Russian government and the USSR (he partially has a point with that)

_ There's a conspiracy against me and my party

_ Tusk and Komorowski killed my brother!

If you live outside of Poland it's harder to get sick and tired of this kind of rhetoric.

[quote=hague1cmaeron]That was meant for another thread, but i guess it is equally applicable(:

Nice illustration of your mental state and ability to discuss things, given the fact that you criticize Poles in America, yet you live in Ozz.

He's a WSI/big business creation, It's obvious that many people got tired of PO and PiS was demonised enough to stop them from voting Kacz, so some "third way" option... SLD, PJN ? They didn't want to wait and see, they created quasi third way, all prepared by people standing behind Tusk, so much for "democracy".

it is not his rhetoric but media's spin

Unfortunately it is difficult to replace PiS or Kaczynski.
For patriotic Poles there is no alternative - and I write that with sadness.


bingo!!!